Chinese Mercury?

rodbolt

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silvertip, for the most part I agree, however the american worker CANNOT compete if the playing field isnt level.
myself, not only did I do a six year stint as an FC in the USN, I also programmed and set up CNC lathes and mills for 6 years prior to that. prior to that worked for some automotive and marine dealerships. got medically retired from the navy in 95,since then I have been or currently certified on mercury,mariner,Tohatsu,Honda,Force,Mercruiser,volvo penta and still found time to pass the yamaha master technician certification courses.
so I know a bit about cros training.
what the american worker cannot compete with is tax breaks given to mexico,for example, to cast and build engines for GM. mexican labor laws,standards,emissions and production costs are simply way to low for a US citizen to actually make a living.
that and the quality sucks and has for the last 10 years.
most of my ford truck was HECHEN EN MEXICO.
almost all the electronics carbs and most repair kits from merc or BRP say made in mexico used to just say asembled in mexico but NAFTA fixed that.
if the playing field is level I will agree, no other country could compete with the US.
and as far as the japs? why they have been outsourcing for years. I bought a set of Mitytoyo Micrometers in 1984, both the 0-1 and the 1-2 said made in Brazil, and this is one of the fineist japanese measuring tools on the market. the starrett and the brown and sharp were either double the price or did not fit my hands.
 

hitace

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maybe if you buy a new merc they. love you long time
 
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DJ

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This may be true, but they are exporting your job. It doesn't help anyone if the American owned company is building everything overseas if all their customers, Americans, are out of work and can't afford to buy the goods.

Keep the company in the country as well as the profits. The company employs its customers! Why do so many companies miss this crucial economic fact?

This all applies as much to Australian companies as well as American companies.

I would prefer to buy Australian made products over products made by an Australian company overseas! I am then satisfied that I have done my bit to keep my friends in jobs... How do you feel about your friends?

Chris...............

I completely agree but that ain't going to happen. Mercury is an American co. BRP is a North American co. The rest are true foreign co.'s.

With those choices, I'll go as American as I can.

Half, or more, of the problem is that Americans don't like other Americans and couldn't care less if their neighbor is layed off. I suspect the same is true in other places.
 

wbeaton

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Half, or more, of the problem is that Americans don't like other Americans and couldn't care less if their neighbor is layed off. I suspect the same is true in other places.


I don't think its that no one cares about their neighbours. I think it is about price. People find it hard to associate saving a few bucks on their outboard with putting their neighbour out of work.
 

achris

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The main problem, as I see it, is that these companies are completely driven by the 'bottom line' and shareholder dividends. If a company does do the 'right thing' and employs it's own people, and not use very cheap, overseas labour and plant, their profit isn't as much and the shareholders b1tch, and then sell their shares and buy companies that are making big profits (the same ones using foreign labour).


So, how do we stop it? Start buying shares in locally owned and operated companies and send the message to the big companies that their behaviour is unacceptable.... It may not have instant results but eventually they will 'get it', one way or another.

Chris..........
 

rodbolt

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buy Exxon
oh thatsright, they moved headqurters to the UAE. never mind.
buy Smith Corona, oh thats right, moved to mexico some years ago.
buy Kodak, wait, mexico to :(.
buy cannon towels, oh most went to the honduras.
doesnt matter where the Coperate office, or PO box is depending on the corperation, what matters is 3 years ago an entire town evaporated in North Carolina, the Mill owner shut down and moved the entire production to Honduras, not only did 70% of the towns employment come from the mill the rest came from resturaunts,hotels and food markets as well as a few other shops that disapeared as well.
seems while winding down actual production in the US "corperations" are ramping up production overseas.
Ford makes a very nice true 4 door ranger XLT here in venezuela that I cant get in the states.
wont matter much, VE is gonna slam the door on US auto imports soon, something about not being able to import any vehicle over 3.0 liters of displacement.
law will be designed to give the Iranian assy plant here and the chinese GEELY plant a leg up on the ford,GM Jeep and Toyotas.
the only reason the US became the grat nation it is, or was, is due to the imagination,skill and dediction of the american production worker.
that worker is fast being retrained to ask if ya want fries with that.
I guess we could compete if we did not mind living in a mud hut with a thatch roof,no indoor running water,no septic systems nor indoor plumbing,no sidewalks,no decent schools,no decent mostly reliable electrical grid and very little access to any advancements in life.
yea I guess if I wanted that I could work for 5 dollars a day plus a plate of refied beans at lunch.
here in VE, A supposed advanced third world rea, there are thousands of huts just like I described, worse in other areas of central and south america.
I cn sit here at the terminal in the AC ,apt has 6 bathrooms and 3 floors. looking out the window towards mount Avila I can count at least 20 huts on the hill that have NO septic or sewage system,NO running water,NO electrical grid, they just run lines directly to a power pole.
could I live on 100 Bs a day? yea if thats the life I wanted for me and my children.
 

scoutabout

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Human nature drives us to want more for less. We've done it to ourselves, right from the shop floor to the corner office.
 

rodbolt

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mostly
and thats why I made the mistake of buying a ford, wont happen twice.
I tried to buy US, got burned and bad, next will be a toyota.
first and only new truck, vehicle for that matter, I ever bought. had issues before 1000 miles and nothing but issues ever since and ford wont do anything, so I will pay and unload the truck on the next sucker while on paper its still under warrenty, and buy a real truck.
 

hibbert6

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Heck, I have to keep forcing myself not to buy cheaper gas at the station near my work. If I want a gas station to remain near my house, I need to support it. And at 10 cents per gallon additional, that costs me a dollar a week. Well worth it!

And I drive a Korean car... so am I being hypocritical? I don't think so. I do want a gas station near my house. But I don't really care if we make cars (or outboards) here or not.

But maybe I should, for the reasons mentioned above....

Dave
 

bassboy1

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"WARNING: THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS LEAD, A CHEMICAL KNOWN TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO CAUSE CANCER AND BIRTH DEFECTS AND OTHER REPRODUCTIVE HARM"


:eek::eek:
 

TOHATSU GURU

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"WARNING: THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS LEAD, A CHEMICAL KNOWN TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO CAUSE CANCER AND BIRTH DEFECTS AND OTHER REPRODUCTIVE HARM"

That's funny:)

Off topic, but, for the first time in my life I do not own a U.S. manufacturers automobile. My one year old Ford was just traded in for a Hyundai. This is my third Hyundai addition in two years. I have no love for the Koreans, but pound for pound, they provide the best value on the market right now. At least they aren't communist...Yet.
 

Robbo22

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If I'm buying a $24 plastic automatic pellet feeder for my goldfish at Wally world I dont give a fig if its made in China.

However, if I'm paying thousands for a new Mercury OB that my life (at sea) may depend upon , I'm sorry but it wont be a unit coming from China.

Ive been around a long time and past experiences tell me Chinese stuff will likely be manufactured from sub par materials and labor that is the cheapest available.

Ive learned not to second guess my instincts of self preservation and every one of them is screaming at me. Chinese OB......Force 8 gale ?...No Thanks..........Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
 

hibbert6

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Bear with me, here...

I'm a music teacher. About 20 years ago, most kids rented a German violin. To buy a student model was about $400 with case and bow. Band kids bought American made instruments, at least until high school level, when sometimes a European instrument was best.

Suzuki began manufacturing violins in Japan. About $250 back then. They didn't sound as good as a German violin, because the topp was made of plywood. But the wood didn't crack or split, either.

Then my students began showing up with Chinese violins. I hated them. But they got to be halfway decent, at least mechanically, and for the smaller sizes, they were fine. And they cost about $100. Tough to tell a parent not to buy one! But I put my foot down regarding a "full size" violin, which fits kids age 12 and up. For a violin that you were going to have throughout high school (because this was the LAST VIOLIN your parents wanted to buy), you needed a German violin.

A few years ago, I saw a Chinese violin in a music store. $600! But it played like a $1000 European violin. What was happening???

My students still buy $100 Chinese violins, and they're halfway decent. A cello from China sounds great and costs $600. European models start at $1500.

But the Chinese horns are still junk, for the most part. Tough to convince a parent to spend $500 on an American trumpet when one can be had at Target for $99. But when something bends or breaks, it can't be fixed. They're made of pot metal that can't be soldered or brazed and there's no standardization of parts...

So for me, I'll consider something made of wood from China. But anything metal from China is not worth risking my life on. Not yet, anyway.

Dave
 

Vlad D Impeller

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If I'm buying a $24 plastic automatic pellet feeder for my goldfish at Wally world I dont give a fig if its made in China.

However, if I'm paying thousands for a new Mercury OB that my life (at sea) may depend upon , I'm sorry but it wont be a unit coming from China.

Ive been around a long time and past experiences tell me Chinese stuff will likely be manufactured from sub par materials and labor that is the cheapest available.

Ive learned not to second guess my instincts of self preservation and every one of them is screaming at me. Chinese OB......Force 8 gale ?...No Thanks..........Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Check and make darn sure that your brake pads arn't Chinese made. :eek:
 

tommays

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While i stay away from chinese parts as much as i can :rolleyes: many merc ONLY hoses are chinese NOW :eek:


It really depends on who built the factory, if and outside company built and controls it (apple ipod then they can build good products):(


If they are just going for a low bid chinese plant WATCH OUT The last good one was snow globes filled with PCB laden waste oil :eek: The oil should have been food grade mineral oil


Tommays
 
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DJ

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We did this to ourselves folks. We have railed against American made/American owned products and companies for years and still do.

We got what what we wished for.
 

Robbo22

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We did this to ourselves folks. We have railed against American made/American owned products and companies for years and still do.

We got what what we wished for.

Absolutely DJ....... the corporate sector farms out the manufacturing jobs to China to satiate their bottom line. We cant compete with a nation that pays starvation wages and our jobs dissapear.... Next, we'll hear them bleating because no one here has enough disposable income left (nor even wants) to buy their low quality product.:confused:

In my lifetime Ive seen some wonderful technological advances ....however, I have to say I've also been witness to a noticable downward spiral in the quality of many other things. Companies push this at us for a reason, it enables them to downsize everything from size to qualty while forcing us to accept their lower standards.
Take service for example, anyone who's ever searched for 20 minutes in a big box hardware store trying to track down help then is finally sent a 19 yr old who dosent know S**T from clay, knows what I'm talking about.:D
 
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DJ

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Absolutely DJ....... the corporate sector farms out the manufacturing jobs to China to satiate their bottom line. We cant compete with a nation that pays starvation wages and our jobs dissapear.... Next, we'll hear them bleating because no one here has enough disposable income left (nor even wants) to buy their low quality product.:confused:

We demand it with the performance of our 401K's which are invested in the stock market. If we learned to save ourselves, it wouldn't be an issue.

Take service for example, anyone who's ever searched for 20 minutes in a big box hardware store trying to track down help then is finally sent a 19 yr old who dosent know S**T from clay, knows what I'm talking about.:D

I can't quarrel with that. That's why I like places like ACE Hardware, at least my local one. I live one block from a big block store (the one with the orange race car) and I won't go there. The one that has a blue and silver race car and is five miles away is MUCH better.:)
 
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