Choosing The Right Mechanic

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fishrdan

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If I'm following the story correctly...

- The boat went in to have a broken petcock replaced.
- Then he talked you into painting the engine and replacing tins.
- Now an oil pump, timing chain, engine mounts, bend rod, new block.

Either the engine was in sorry shape, or???
 

TilliamWe

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The guy requires "upfront cash" to buy parts, says he doesn't have the Capital to buy with. How in the world would he replace the manifolds/risers if something happened to them??

Commercial insurance policy.
 

25thmustang

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Why did the mechanic check for a bent rod? Was he asked to, or did he take it upon himself? Did you see the bent rod? Seems odd that he was going to repaint the motor and now you have internal damage?
 

LuvBoating

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First: Went to Mercruiser shop, we've been to before, to have water leak in engine checked out. Mechanic told us that a petcock had broken, but didn't want to replace it due to the rust/corrosion around the petcock area.....he said he felt with his finger. In taking out the broken petcock, there would be a good chance that the hole would get bigger and a new block would have to be put in. His estimate to buy a long block and install was higher than we thought we could afford.
Second: Took the boat to another mechanic (small business/non-dealership) that was recommended to us by an outboard dealership. The I/O mechanic's shop was right behind the outboard "only" shop. Went over and talked to him and he told me that we may not need a new block that he could simply replace both petcocks and water-test for leaks. So, we took the boat to him. He replaced the petcocks and water-tested.....no leaks. He then told us that he'd waiver the petcock job if we'd let him remove the engine, primer/paint/seal it and replace the tin. He said we were leaking some oil around the edge of oil pan and valve covers. We ok'd what he told us he could do. After the engine was out is when he told us about the belts, engine mounts, oil pump (said we'd get much better oil pressure with a new one), etc. AND ask us for upfront cash for parts. We didn't know how much he'd take apart our engine in order to primer/paint/seal it, BUT he took it down to where the rod arm could be seen and that is when we were told about the slightly bent rod. He did show it to me. Hence, new block came into scene and more upfront cash!


If I'm following the story correctly...

- The boat went in to have a broken petcock replaced.
- Then he talked you into painting the engine and replacing tins.
- Now an oil pump, timing chain, engine mounts, bend rod, new block.

Either the engine was in sorry shape, or???
 

etracer68

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Re: Choosing The Right Mechanic

So what your saying is, once the oil pan was removed, he could see a "slightly" bent connecting rod. If this is correct, something sounds fishy to me. Or is this a push rod.
 

LuvBoating

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He was taking apart our engine for primer/paint/resealing and seen the bent rod, that's all we know. He called me and I went to his shop to see the bent rod. He said he didn't know when it happened and a guy we know told us that the rod could have been bent before we even bought the boat. Had the boat since Spring '09 and hadn't noticed any bad noise coming from the engine, except a squeaky belt (which was tightened up) and water leaking from manifolds/risers (that we had replaced). Had to replace starter last year due to water in it that came from old manifolds/risers that we had replaced.

Why did the mechanic check for a bent rod? Was he asked to, or did he take it upon himself? Did you see the bent rod? Seems odd that he was going to repaint the motor and now you have internal damage?
 

LuvBoating

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From what I could tell, as I don't know that much about engines, he removed the intake manifold for whatever reason and found the bent rod. This rod is a straight type, iron looking piece of metal that connects to bearing (s) at the top and piston below.

So what your saying is, once the oil pan was removed, he could see a "slightly" bent connecting rod. If this is correct, something sounds fishy to me. Or is this a push rod.
 

oldjeep

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The bent rod - did it look like a metal pencil or did it have a large hole in one end and a smaller one in the other?
 

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From what I could tell, as I don't know that much about engines, he removed the intake manifold for whatever reason and found the bent rod. This rod is a straight type, iron looking piece of metal that connects to bearing (s) at the top and piston below.

You would have to remove a heck of a lot more than the intake manifold to see a bent connecting rod. I'd be doubtfull that someone would be able to identify/notice one from the bottom with the oil pan off.

I'd make sure that you get the old parts
 

etracer68

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I have been taking motors apart, and putting them back together for over 30 years, and can pretty much do it in my sleep. I hope the best of luck to you, but something about this whole thing, just isnt adding up in my book.
 

LuvBoating

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It was a connecting rod and I did notice that intake manifold was off and could clearly see each connecting rod. It was the first one that was slightly bent in the middle. Photo below.
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oldjeep

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It was a connecting rod and I did notice that intake manifold was off and could clearly see each connecting rod. It was the first one that was slightly bent in the middle. Photo below.

LOL - -that is a picture with the engine upside down looking from where the oil pan was. If you can see a connecting rod from the intake valley then you have really big problems. Does look bent though
 

etracer68

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I can see a bent to the rod, I dont understand why you would not have noticed an oil pressure drop, or some type of noise though. The rod bearing had to have some damage, and the wrist pin bearing. It could have been caused by, at some time there was water on top of the piston. The block, if not cracked, or damaged, why new one. Are you buying a complete short or long block?
 

Flysfloatsor

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Its been my experience that the most unpleasant thing about boating is dealing with the people who work in the boat service industry. Its downright painful most of the time, and consider yourself lucky for just a so-so experience.
I’ve dealt with over a dozen shops, all of them roughly the same. And none of them operating under with a sense of urgency. Most need micro managed in order for you to get on the water in a reasonable timeframe, but obviously don’t take kindly to it. They couldn’t care less about you missing time on the water, this guy for instance took you from broken petcock to a repower in the middle of the season... Petcocks are $6-$15.
In his defense, the rod is obviously bent.
I’m sure I’m going to get lit up by some people who make their living in the Business, but I’m just a consumer, and this is my real life experience.
BTW – if I ran 2 months behind in my job, Id get fired. As would most professionals. So they either aren’t working hard enough or aren’t planning very well, probably both.
 

LuvBoating

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Have not noticed any oil pressure drop or audiable noise coming from the engine. Could this have happened when he water-tested the engine after replacing both petcocks, he told me "really don't know". He water-tested the engine while the boat was on the trailer backed down the ramp into the water. In any case, it is bent. He told us we could simply "let it go", but would have no idea when the connecting rod would go and engine stop. I ask him about simply replacing the rod/bearing and then he started talking to me about resurfacing/polishing the pistons and that he knew a guy that he goes to for this. Then "replacing the long block" came up. He said "that would be your best bet and give you "piece of mind" as well". So, after discussing it with my wife, we decided to go that route (new/rebuilt long block). He also told us that he would give us $100 credit on our invoice for him keeping the old block. He said it's only worth about $50.
The total cost for this job will be $4,500 or a little less. That includes the credit for the block he will keep and returning some parts that he ordered (before decision was made for new block due to bent connecting rod).....they will come with new block and a couple of parts that we supplied him with (two belts and distributor cap) that he ordered before we remembered that we had them at home.
 

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First: Mechanic told us that a petcock had broken, but didn't want to replace it due to the rust/corrosion around the petcock area.....he said he felt with his finger. In taking out the broken petcock, there would be a good chance that the hole would get bigger and a new block would have to be put in. His estimate to buy a long block and install was higher than we thought we could afford.
Second: Took the boat to another mechanic (small business/non-dealership) that was recommended to us by an outboard dealership. The I/O mechanic's shop was right behind the outboard "only" shop. Went over and talked to him and he told me that we may not need a new block that he could simply replace both petcocks and water-test for leaks. So, we took the boat to him. He replaced the petcocks and water-tested.....no leaks. He then told us that he'd waiver the petcock job if we'd let him remove the engine, primer/paint/seal it and replace the tin. He said we were leaking some oil around the edge of oil pan and valve covers. We ok'd what he told us he could do. After the engine was out is when he told us about the belts, engine mounts, oil pump (said we'd get much better oil pressure with a new one), etc. AND ask us for upfront cash for parts. We didn't know how much he'd take apart our engine in order to primer/paint/seal it, BUT he took it down to where the rod arm could be seen and that is when we were told about the slightly bent rod. He did show it to me. Hence, new block came into scene and more upfront cash!

In following this and trying to be objective, I see that:
1-the guy you are now with fixed the original petcock problem the first mechanic did not even want to touch? You're 100% happy?
2-the guy got your approval to do some new work and agreed to waive the cost of the original work as he saw some oil leakage and you agreed to that arrangement?
3-then in performing the work on your new agreement which is with the engine out, he did some diagnosis on the oil leak which included the oil pan along with other parts which in taking the oil pan off, the rods/crank became visible and he found the bent rod. He showed you the bent rod and you have a picture so he's not making it up?
4-he's asking for upfront cash for the "parts" only, not labor?

Seems to me that so far, he's doing things right including getting your approvals and trying to fix all your problems at once instead of just part way now that will end up costing to even more in the future and what you really don't like is his shop organizational methods and the fact he wants you to pay for parts up front.
Which if I go to my local Merc dealer and wanted to order these exact same parts or block for my own mechanic to install them, I would need to pay for those parts now, not after my mechanic had them installed.
Seems like you want him to absorb ALL the costs now, get it all done then hope you pay for not only the parts, but also his labor costs.

Ever hired a contractor to remodel a room?
Usually pay 1/3 up front, 1/3 in the middle, 1/3 at the end.
The 1/3 up front is for parts/permist, the 1/3 in the middle is for labor and more parts, the 1/3 at the end for the rest of the labor and profit.

Mark
 

etracer68

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I would think it had nothing to do with testing the petcock, that would have been a block, or manafold drain. It could have beed there when you purchased the boat. But in my experise, there would be some kind of oil pressure drop, or change, when it happened. I never bent a rod in racing, our luck was, it broke, and went st8 though the block, scrapping alot of pricy parts.
 
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