Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

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Before I answer that for you Eric I need to know where you got your info?

Just my own thoughts Tree. I am allowed to have them ya know.
 

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treedancer said:
At one time, President Bill Clinton mananged to create a balanced budget for the national government.


Once again treedancer, you show your ignorance in defense of your partisanship. Never, under Bill Clinton, was the Federal Budget balanced. It was all smoke and mirrors based on the projected Federal revenues from the dot com bubble.
 

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Not being in debt and balancing the budget are not the same thing.

The Republican Congress balanced the budget during the Clinton Administration, granted, with Clinton's cooperation. Reagan planted those seeds with Reaganomics and by winning the cold war.

I seem to recall that Richard Nixon also submitted a balanced budget at least once. Can't prove it, though.

Those who fuss about not being better off than they were when Clinton left office have short memories. Are you better off than you were after the dotcom bubble, stock market and WTC towers all collapsed? I sure as heck am. GWB didn't cause it, but he sure fixed it.
 

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Treeedancer,

I didn't bother posting the 4 people he pardoned over whitewater as I consider them to be political pardons which is standard fare although it is a personal financial matter for the Clintons. Marc Rich was a huge financial donator to Clinton and the DNC. It was about personal profit. This is an abuse of office. Some pardons are political in nature for the benefit of the nation like Fords pardon of Nixon or your unlinked quote of some ancient psudo scandal referencing information about a scandal that has no connection to the thread above. If you don't understand the distinction, I can't type anything that would assist you. But as usual you don't address Clinton's actions you look to create some other scandal by blaming others. Address the content of the post.

Clinton put his smear machine on a private citizen, (dragging a dollar bill threw a trailer park) to cover up something that as you said was a personal matter. How about Juanita Broderick, any idiot can see how he used the power of his office to intimidate her. Using an unrelated Swift Boat group is typical of the Red Herring techiques used to distract those from the topic at hand. Clinton was a low rent thug who used his office to cover up his indiscresions and compounded the hurt he put on those he claimed to serve. Again what does Jerry Faldwell have to do with anything. Try, try and stay on topic. These scattergun accusation techniques might work in the coffee shop beatnik crowd but hold no water with the thinking public.

There are literaly mountains of information showing the transfer of technology to the Chineese. Again, the kool-aid has taken effect. I could post pictures of Clinton handing over documents to a Chineese official holding a clear plastic garbage bag full of cash in Red Square and you would try and explain it away. Fact is it happened on his watch and he benefitted personally while marginalizing our national safety for generations. That is his legacy. Did you even bother to read your quote with its hair splitting qualifiers like public records available at the time. They painted themselves into a corner so as to claim ignorance when the facts came out. Date 1997, while Clinton oversaw what information was allowed to be released. Why not just submit this to the Clinton library for reimbursment.8)

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10118

(It took me almost 10 seconds to find multiple credible sources outlining the crime.)


Now I can continue to hear how EVERY conservative is stupid or not smart or an idiot or dumb. Standard democratic smear technique. This from those who think Al Gore is a climatologist.:} And how can anyone use Clinton as a source, he is a documented liar. Any first semester journalism student would have to qualify his credentials when using ol' Bill as a source for anything.

The fact that anyone who would swallow the latest Clinton attempt to change history is laughable. One, we are at war and Jerkwater is looking to assign blame. Classy. Two, he had UBL handed, HANDED, REPEAT, HANDED to him on several occasions and he took a pass and now he BLAMES a sitting president. He continues to play politics with the nations security. The man is a disgrace. Even in "retirement" his focus is about himself. What a pathetic piece of work.
 

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After watching the interview this morning, it looked like clinton was go to pop a blood vessel :%. Besides blaming Bush for not doing enough to stop UBL, now it's the "neo-cons" fault that clinton didn't do enough. Once again, not taking the responiblity himself, but passing the buck. Sad.
 

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Stress brings out the true nature of people. It's instinctive and hard to override - It's like the "fight or flight" response. During that interview we saw the true Clinton.

I am sure honest psychiatrists could (and will) develop a very accurate personality profile of Clinton based on that interview and I don't think it would be very flattering.
 

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It is laughable just reading this. "Its his fault!" "No, Its his fault!" Good lord people, do you even listen to yourselves? I hate to say it, but Osama was not hatched from an egg at the beginning of the Clinton administration. He and his ilk have been planning and doing their thing ever since we buddied up with Isreal and have been suckling the Middle East Teat. You can blame Clinton of Bush or whoever you want, but this has been brewing long before those two were in office. Why not blame Reagan? Our military weaponry was being sold to the people who are now our enemys during his administration, but no one cares? Why not blame Carter, Nixon, JFK? Heck, blame George Washington because if he hadn't gotten us into this Being Independant thing, we never would have been attacked.

Every president has fallen asleep at the wheel, and it will continue to happen. Could Clinton have done a better job, of course. Osama Bin Laden, while a threat, was not being percieved as the threat that he turned out to be. Also, it is naive and foolish to think if Bin Laden would have been dealt with back then that things would be all sun shiny and happy and rife with cheap gas. You do know that someone else would have made 9/11 happen, right? Bin Laden takes his orders from someone just like everyone else. Its the shadows behind the curtain we should be after, not the dirty cave dwellers that we see on CNN every night.

The two dimensional concept that all we have to do is keep killing terrorists and the world would be a better place is laughable. It is right up there with mowing a lawn with scissors. I agree that it is a problem. It has been a problem ever since mankind decided it needed to create seperation through religion and region. The current "strategy" not only is not working, but it will never work. A new strategy must be created, one that is more precise and does a better job of not alienating us fromt he rest of the world. The YeeHaw bunch thinks "Kickin' Arse, if your not with us your against us" policy is working. Its not, because there is no intelligence to it at all. No plan, no final outcome. Just run around and kick arse. Thats a plan....

BTW, our current decent economy is based almost entirely on short term fluff. there is nothing permanent about it. The tax cuts and interest rate cuts did boost things, but its like eating candybars. You get that burst of energy, but it is hollow energy that goes away fast, just like this economy. New home construction is falling, home purchasing in general is dropping because the costs of the homes kept climbing. Buy sell buy sell, that is all that has happened in the real estate market. Now people are stuck paying $ 300,000 mortgages on houses that will be worth $ 200,000 in a few years. The fuel costs are horrible, and will stay horrible. Low income families will continue to choose between gas and clothes or other necessities. I don't feel that the economy will tank and we will all be in cardboard boxes, but I do know that for the working class majority, things are not going to get better, and that can be blamed on the policies and decisions of this administration. It can also be blamed on those who continue to limit our ability to produce nuclear energy and expand our refining abilities.

It is not the republicans fault, or the democrats fault. It is the people in power who stand to gain financially, regardless of party. Quit whinning about dem and reps, we all know its about the Almighty Dollar....
 

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I don't think they are listening, and they all have short memories, Jason.

Wasn't that a Republican congress that made all the noises about "wagging the dog" regarding the action Clinton did take?

Frankly, I tire of all the partisan crap. I am absolutely sure if we follow either of the popular idealogies solely, this country will continue on it's downhill path.
 

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If you want to some perspective on the issue start by reading Ghost Wars (a nonpartisan book cited by the 911 Commission as the definitive history) and then pickup some other non-partisan history books about the subject, You may be shocked by what you learn.
 

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Quote Custombycrunch
Clinton is the lowest of the lows as far as Presidents go, he was a liar and a cheat, a traitor, and lied under oath.


Stretching a bit their CC, I think that the present occupant of the White House and his cronies would rate way below President Clinton; after all they started a war that has spawned terrorism, and radicals:

Quote Custombycrunch

Your defense of "Slick Willy" says more about your politics than you know, but most people are blind to themselves.


Well using your own words most people are blind to themselves,next time you shave look carefully at your reflection in the mirror, and say I am defending a president that wants to take away Amendment IV, and V.

That speaks to the lunacy of this administrations policy of brutally instituting a constitution abroad, when it has no regard for the constitutional rights of the American people at home.


Quote Custombycrunch
show me where it was Clinton that did the deed, not as Firestar pointed out, "Raganomics"


Hey it showed up on his watch didn’t it? Just like in football, the new coach inherited the players from the last coach but who gets the kudos and the blame if the team fails? Reagan spent the first two years of his administration blaming Carter for everything except the toilet leaking. And I voted for him.

Haven’t forgot about you Pointer will get around to answering your post after the Rams game.
 

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A leader leads regardless of the critics PW. He has the superior information and has the responsibility for keeping the country safe.

Bush has been called everything under the sun. He's even been accused by the Left of actually perpetrating 911. He's had his motives and competence questioned every step of the way, yet he continues to do what he thinks is in the best long term interests of the country. That's leadership. That's what is Expected from the CIC. To say, "well I didn't follow through because i was being criticized" is just pitiful..
 

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Oh, this is rich. I took the Wag-the-Dog comment at face value, because I simply don't remember the reaction at the time, but let's look at what the New York Times said at the time:

Congressional leaders were briefed about the planned raid Wednesday night and Thursday morning. For the most part, Republican leaders praised Clinton's decision and urged more aggressive action against terrorism.

House Speaker Newt Gingrich expressed firm support, and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, said, "Our response appears to be appropriate and just."

Others were more critical. Accusing Clinton of "lies and deceit and manipulations and deceptions," Sen. Dan Coats, R-Ind., said the president's record "raises into doubt everything he does and everything he says, and maybe even everything he doesn't do and doesn't say."

Administration officials dismissed such skepticism. Cohen said: "The only motivation driving this action Thursday was our absolute obligation to protect the American people from terrorist activities. That is the sole motivation. No other consideration has been involved."
 

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Face it, Dubya & co. got caught with their pants down on 9/11 because they were too busy planning the Iraqui invasion, whose toll in American deaths is rapidly reaching the the number of dead from 9/11.....
Nothing accomplished! :$......JK
 

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Haut, you and treedancer are as predictable as a broken record. Someone says Slick lied to the American people, you say it's Dubyas fault, someone says slick sold secretes to the Chinese, you say this administration is corrupt. Someone says they like Ice-cream, you say it's Dubyas fault.

To me you have all the credibility of a parrot, and I hardly ever read your posts because I already know what you'll say.... and that’s probably Dubyas fault too.
 

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treedancer said:
Reagan spent the first two years of his administration blaming Carter for everything except the toilet leaking.



And he was right! As in Clinton with the rise and fall of the DotComs, Carter did not cause the hyperinflation. He just didn't have the juevos to do anything about it.
 

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custombycrunch said:
Haut, you and treedancer are as predictable as a broken record. Someone says Slick lied to the American people, you say it's Dubyas fault, someone says slick sold secretes to the Chinese, you say this administration is corrupt. Someone says they like Ice-cream, you say it's Dubyas fault.

To me you have all the credibility of a parrot, and I hardly ever read your posts because I already know what you'll say.... and that’s probably Dubyas fault too.

Hmm, let's see. That came from chapter X, page Y out of the Liberal Playbook. "Don't address the issue, just deflect, deflect, deflect."
 

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A National Intelligence Estimate completed in April says Islamic radicalism has mushroomed worldwide and cites the Iraq war as a reason for the spread of jihad ideology, the newspaper reported.

Dubya did it again.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2483378
 

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The National Intelligence Council, the main strategic think tank for the U.S. intelligence community, is in the early stages of preparing a new national estimate on Iraq in response to requests from leading Senate Democrats, including Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, intelligence officials said.

Bwahahaha
 

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PW2 said:
Frankly, I tire of all the partisan crap.

8)8) Now that there comment is funny right there.I don't care who you are.

"I don't think they are listening ,and they all have short memories,Jason."
hahahahahahahahah8)
 
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