Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

[Plainsman]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

I don't think they are listening, and they all have short memories, Jason.

Wasn't that a Republican congress that made all the noises about "wagging the dog" regarding the action Clinton did take?

Frankly, I tire of all the partisan crap. I am absolutely sure if we follow either of the popular idealogies solely, this country will continue on it's downhill path.

"I don't think they are listening, and they all have short memories, Jason."



Guess you're not listening either

But in your next statement, you blame the Republicans

Then:
"Frankly, I tire of all the partisan crap." Right after you blame the Republicans.

I really don't understand why clinton was so upset with the question that was asked. He dropped the ball.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

This is funny, Clinton acting like a child won't accept even a shred of responsibility. (Something like what PW tried to say in between blaming Bush. More like what JasonJ said) He is more concerned with his image than the facts or the best interest of the country. Then when hit with hard questions he get biligerant. Again like a child.

His policies such as not using contacts with "questionable charactor" couldn't have assisted. His cutting of the resources available didn't help. His policies of creating walls between the agencies didn't help. His not taking UBL when presented to him on a plate didn't help. His lack or meaningful response to a litany of attacks on this nation didn't help.

But he wasn't president during the attacks. He cannot take full responsiblity for this. Can he assume that a pre 9/11 mentality ruled the day within his administration. Sure. Did he leave Bush a suitable intellegence community to address these type of terroristic groups and anticipate their moves? Did they have an environment to feel free to pull the fire alarm? As we are at war, why in the world is he looking to place blame anywhere? Supporting the troops? NO. Supporting Bill Clinton, ALWAYS.

I don't see where his comments are anything but partisian and self serving. He brings this meaningless blame game up 60 days before an election. Just coincidence. NOT.

His contributions to the war have been detremental to the troops. As have most democrats in actions, word and deed. :'(

HEY EGOMANIAC, try something like this.

Who's fault is irrelavent. We are a country at war. We have many fanatical groups who are looking to kill innocent civilians all over the world and it is our job to take a leadership role to protect all freedom loving people both home and abroad. We need to identify where we need to improve our security and military forces and make constant improvements to keep these animals in a box. We need to make every effort to support our troops in Iraq and continue to work with all countries and the UN to make this type of baseless murder unacceptable under any conditions. Our president has many challenges in front of him, I won't be one of them. In fact I have placed myself at his disposal to assist in any way he thinks best.

 

[PW2]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

After six years in office for Bush, all you can do in continue to criticize Clinton?

Why not bask in the glory of this administrations many accomplishments, like getting Bin Laden, winning over the Iraqi people, and creating peace and prosperity in Iraq, continuing to trim the fed deficit, and all the other wonderous accomplishments of this admin.

I forgot, except for banning gays from marrying, there ain't many accomplishments after six years. Even with stuffing the supreme court, you can't even get torture ok'd!

Pathetic!

And you want us to take you seriously when you criticize Clinton? Get Real!

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

After six years in office for Bush, all you can do in continue to criticize Clinton?

Why not bask in the glory of this administrations many accomplishments, like getting Bin Laden, winning over the Iraqi people, and creating peace and prosperity in Iraq, continuing to trim the fed deficit, and all the other wonderous accomplishments of this admin.

I forgot, except for banning gays from marrying, there ain't many accomplishments after six years. Even with stuffing the supreme court, you can't even get torture ok'd!

Pathetic!

And you want us to take you seriously when you criticize Clinton? Get Real!

This thread is how clinton reacted during an interview, not about what President Bush has or has not done.
I admit I stray off topic, but do get back on topic. So can we get back on topic?

 

[Ralph 123]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

5 Years w/o a terrorist attack on the US - something EVERYONE predicted could not be done. Bin Laden is hiding in a cave and might even be dead. The leadership of AQ has been decimated. A brutal mass killer was found hiding in a hole like the coward he really is. His psychotic sons are dead. Zarqawi is dead. Syria was forced to pull out of Lebanon. Afghanistan is free. Iraq is free and millions braved threats to vote 3 times. The Economy is booming. Unemployment is less than 5%. The market is near its historical highs. The activist judges have been replaced. And the lunatic Left has been shown for what it really is. Now that is Success.

 

[ob]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

5 Years w/o a terrorist attack on the US - something EVERYONE predicted could not be done. Bin Laden is hiding in a cave and might even be dead. The leadership of AQ has been decimated. A brutal mass killer was found hiding in a hole like the coward he really is. His psychotic sons are dead. Zarqawi is dead. Syria was forced to pull out of Lebanon. Afghanistan is free. Iraq is free and millions braved threats to vote 3 times. The Economy is booming. Unemployment is less than 5%. The market is near its historical highs. The activist judges have been replaced. And the lunatic Left has been shown for what it really is. Now that is Success.

You left out helping to ban gay marriages.8)

 

[Pony]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Frankly, I tire of all the partisan crap. I am absolutely sure if we follow either of the popular idealogies solely, this country will continue on it's downhill path.

I agree with that 100%.

I see election time as choosing the better of two evils.

 

[Ralph 123]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

You left out helping to ban gay marriages

LOL! I would but they aren't banned here in Massachusetts (or anywhere by Federal law for that matter). Our nickname for centuries was "The Bay State" but now it's been changed to "The Gay State."

But I did leave off Libya giving up their WMD program and giving up terrorism.

 

[agitator]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Am I better off than before? Yep! Spawning terrorists? Yep, by not converting to Islam? Aren't you libs listening to what they are telling us? OBL not a perceived threat? Oliver North gave detailed testimony before a congressional committee years before 9/11 about OBL's role and threat to America.:''(

 

[crunch]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Am I better off than before? Yep! Spawning terrorists? Yep, by not converting to Islam? Aren't you libs listening to what they are telling us? OBL not a perceived threat? Oliver North gave detailed testimony before a congressional committee years before 9/11 about OBL's role and threat to America.:''(

Get out your Flac jacket, you brought up Ollie 8)

 

[crunch]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Might also want to invest in a hooded Tyvex suit....

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Ollie "The Confessor" North?....
He jumped on his own sword more times than a ninja in a Quenton Tarantino film......
Just another residual of Raygun's way of doing stuff....
Arm the Contras with money for Oil....
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"!....
Enough of Uncle Ronnie's myopic hijinx......
It's like a missile in the fog...
Dubya is a dmmmy!
He had the intel, he just wanted to invade to avenge Dad...
I do thank him for keeping the skies over Texas &(maybe)Alabama safe.........JK

 

[crunch]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Ollie "The Confessor" North?....
He jumped on his own sword more times than a ninja in a Quenton Tarantino film......
Just another residual of Raygun's way of doing stuff....
Arm the Contras with money for Oil....
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"!....
Enough of Uncle Ronnie's myopic hijinx......
It's like a missile in the fog...
Dubya is a dmmmy!
He had the intel, he just wanted to invade to avenge Dad...
I do thank him for keeping the skies over Texas &(maybe)Alabama safe.........JK

Haut, you and treedancer are as predictable as a broken record. Someone says Slick lied to the American people, you say it's Dubyas fault, someone says slick sold secretes to the Chinese, you say this administration is corrupt. Someone says they like Ice-cream, you say it's Dubyas fault.

To me you have all the credibility of a parrot, and I hardly ever read your posts because I already know what you'll say.... and that’s probably Dubyas fault too.

 

[crunch]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

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I meant to do this all day... got any other childish pics you want to show us?

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

After six years in office for Bush, all you can do in continue to criticize Clinton?

Not hard to imagine why PW. After 6 years in office of GWB, Slick Willie has not learned to keep his mouth shut. Until the advent of your hero Jimmmay, past presidents respected a long standing tradition to keep their mouths shut.

One more reason to show that your party has only one interest in mind. Power. and the fact is they do not have it now and are not likely to gain it in the near future.

Let's face it. The Left is bankrupt. It has no new ideas, it has no desire to face up to reality, it just wants the power to continue to bleed this country to death.

 

[--GQ--]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden

Quote Custombycrunch
Clinton is the lowest of the lows as far as Presidents go, he was a liar and a cheat, a traitor, and lied under oath.

Stretching a bit their CC, I think that the present occupant of the White House and his cronies would rate way below President Clinton; after all they started a war that has spawned terrorism, and radicals:

Quote Custombycrunch

Your defense of "Slick Willy" says more about your politics than you know, but most people are blind to themselves.

Well using your own words most people are blind to themselves,next time you shave look carefully at your reflection in the mirror, and say I am defending a president that wants to take away Amendment IV, and V.

That speaks to the lunacy of this administrations policy of brutally instituting a constitution abroad, when it has no regard for the constitutional rights of the American people at home.


Quote Custombycrunch
show me where it was Clinton that did the deed, not as Firestar pointed out, "Raganomics"

Hey it showed up on his watch didn’t it? Just like in football, the new coach inherited the players from the last coach but who gets the kudos and the blame if the team fails? Reagan spent the first two years of his administration blaming Carter for everything except the toilet leaking. And I voted for him.

Haven’t forgot about you Pointer will get around to answering your post after the Rams game.

Yea Pointer, he'll answer your post after the game. 8) This ^^TreeDancer^^ guy is kool dude. d

 

[12Footer]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

treedancer, did you even watch the interview?
If so, what did Clinton tell you in his own tongue last night?
If not, you missed an exprez who was frantically trying to rewrite his legacy. He chose to "unload" on us in a venue he percieved as "hostile", taking the fight to the enemy as it were.... I did not hold back. He told me that unlike Bush, he reacted to polls. This was a fatal mistake for those poor souls on 9/11.
You may or may not agree with tthat, but he said so himself . Even tho i saw the interview twice, I have to paraphrase here, because I have no source for the actual transcript (AS OF YET).. But he said, "{When I ok'd the first attempt and we failed to get him, the American people's response was very negative...So I didn't try the next time the oportunity was presented again.)"

C&P;
Able Danger was a classified military intelligence program under the command of the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM). It was created as a result of a directive from the Joint Chiefs of Staff in early October 1999 by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Hugh Shelton, to develop an Information Operations Campaign Plan against transnational terrorism, "specifically al-Qaeda." According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and those of four others, Able Danger had identified the September 11, 2001 attack leader Mohamed Atta, and three of the 9/11 plot's other 19 hijackers, as possible members of an al Qaeda cell linked to the '93 World Trade Center bombing. Primarily consisting of classified information, all publicly obtained information was approved after a legal review of SOCOM lawyers. If true, the early identification of the four hijackers by Able Danger would contradict the official conclusion of the 9/11 Commission, that American intelligence agencies had not identified Atta as a terrorist prior to the attack.

Was this the information that was stuff in sandy burger undies?????

Was Sandy Berger dispatched to dispose of papers that Clinton didn't want the 9/11 Commission to see? Can all the copies of the same document "accidentally" fall into someone's pants?

What commission staffer made the decision to keep the Able Danger files away from most of the 9/11 Commission members? Did any of the members of the 9/11 Commission know about the files? If so, which ones?

Also taking on a more importance is the now reported fact that on four occasions — Spring 1998, June 1999, December 1999, and August 2000 — Berger was given plans to kill bin Laden and each time he said, "No." Where was Clinton while all this was going on?

The Able Danger report is but one piece of an eight-year puzzle. Unfortunately, the last piece was put into place on 9/11.

1993 — Six Americans were killed in the first attack on the World Trade Center but Clinton called it a crime, not an Islamic terrorist attack.

1993 — The FBI identified three "charities" connected to the terrorist organization Hamas. Clinton ignored FBI pleas that he create a "President's List" of extremist and terrorist groups. Clinton feared the political fallout of "profiling" Islamic charities. Money continued to flow freely for the next seven years from America to Islamic terrorists all over the world including al Qaeda.

1994 — The "Report of the National Commission on Terrorism " was distributed to the Department of Defense, the Department of State, FEMA, intelligence communities, and members of Congress. "Targets such as the World Trade Center not only provide the requisite casualties but because of their symbolic nature provide more bang for the buck. In order to maximize their odds for success, terrorist groups will likely consider mounting multiple, simultaneous operations with the aim of overtaxing a government's ability to respond, as well as to demonstrate their professionalism and reach."

1995 — Even after hearing the report on impending Islamic terror attacks, Rep. Robert Torricelli, D-N.J., convinced Clinton that our spies should not associate with "unsavory" characters. Since most terrorists are "unsavory" our window into the movement of Islamic terrorist activity was effectively slammed shut.

1995 — The Oklahoma City Bombing left 168 Americans dead, many of them children. Once Tim McVeigh was in custody, all evidence indicating that the two homegrown "whiteys" had funding and assistance from Islamic terrorists was ignored at best, and at worst, covered up. Dealing with Islamic terrorists would have been messy business and Bill was in campaign mode. Clinton did not want to alienate any Muslim voters. Clinton had what he wanted: home grown terrorists so he felt no need to deal with the growing threat from Islamic terrorists.

1995 — Al Qaeda began planning the 9/11 attack dubbed "Operation Bojinka." (operation big bang) The first attack on the WTC had failed and bin Laden wanted a second shot at the towers. Plans for this attack were found on the computer of Ramzi Yousef when he was captured. Yousef carried an Iraqi passport and is now in prison for life for his involvement in the first attack on the World Trade Center. There is reason to believe Yousef also trained Terry Nickols in the art of bomb making during Nickols' many trips to the Philippines. Richard Clarke, the darling of the left, found it interesting enough to mention in his book that before Nickols went to the Philippines, his bombs didn't work. When Nickols returned, his bombs worked perfectly.

1996 — The explosion of TWA Flight 800 killed 230 people. Clinton quickly issued Executive Order 13039 to keep all involved in recovery process silent. The FBI told the hundreds of witnesses, many of them former military, that what they saw was not surface to air missile, but a single "firework" display. After spending 40 million dollars, Chairman Jim Hall of the National Transportation Safety Board sat before Congress and stated that there was no physical evidence or conclusive forensic evidence to prove it was a mechanical failure that caused the explosion of the center fuel tank on TWA 800. Senator John Kerry is on record twice referring to the TWA 800 disaster a terrorist attack. Pilots called the "mechanical failure" explanation ridiculous.

1996 — The CIA and FBI both warned Clinton they had uncovered a plan involving al Qaeda called the "Martyrdom Battalion" which indicated terrorists were planning to hijack planes and use them as missiles.

1996 — The Philippine authorities warned the FBI they had received credible information that al Qaeda was planning on hijacking planes and flying them into Federal Buildings.

1997 — Madeleine Albright became Secretary of State. Ms. Albright, in defense of Clinton offered up perhaps the single most absurd excuse ever given for the Clinton failures: "This is hard to say and I haven't found a way to say it that doesn't sound crass, but it is the truth that those {attacks before Sept. 11} were happening overseas and while there were Americans who died, there were not thousands and it did not happen on U. S. soil."

1998 — bin Laden issued one of two fatwas urging his followers to target the United States and all Americans.

1999 — Clinton's own secretary of defense, William Cohen, in a July 1999 op-ed piece in the Washington Post, predicted a terrorist attack on America's mainland.

1999 — "Project Megiddo" went public on the FBI website. It was a directive given in 1995 to the FBI from Bill Clinton to direct their investigative efforts towards only domestic terrorism such as the Christian right and militias. No effort was to be made to link any American group with Islamic terrorists.

1999 — The Transportation Security Administration altered a terrorist report to exclude all references to foreign terrorists. David Holmes, head of the Commerce Department zeroed in on white militia groups in a 1999 threat analysis. Commerce officials who worked on the case say Holmes' exclusion of every threat group that wasn't white was in keeping with what they say was the Clinton administration policy of focusing on domestic threats from white militia groups, rather than Islamic groups, in combating terrorism. "Holmes made us take out every group that wasn't white, no minority groups allowed. He was toeing the liberal line of the Clinton administration."

2000 — The Pentagon's intelligence group "Able Danger" tried to pass on information about a terror cell in NYC that included four future highjackers of 9/11 to the FBI on three occasions but was refused each time.

2001 — Because of the "walls" thrown up by the Clinton administration and Clinton's refusal to face the Islamic enemy stalking America, "Operation Bojinka" — the 9/11 attack — went on without any interference from American intelligence agencies that were blinded by Clinton's fear of the messy business that is Islamic terrorism.

Now the 9/11 Commission is struggling to explain how it could have missed 15 boxes of vital information gathered by Able Danger. When the dust settles, I suspect Americans will discover the Commission didn't miss it at all. It just hoped it would go away. What happened can't be changed and why bring down an ex-president seems to be the motto of the day.




Besides... His legacy has been established, and there is little he can do about it;

"Ah --- Did not have sexual relations
with that woman, Monica Lewinski.
Not one time."

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

I saw the interview last night. PSYCHO. :% The dudes not stable, up the meds. Whats with the touching, poking and personal attacks? Apparently he ripped his staff up and down when the interview was over. Another day in paridise.

Also, someone ought to get him some pants with correct inseam lengths. Looks like he borrowed a pair from Robert Reich.

This thread is a liberals dream. The Bush monkey picture, Bush is dumb, an allusion to Bush's National Guard service, and Reagan was an idiot. All this when addressing a statement by Clinton. Deep.

 

[mrbscott19]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Ok first off I don't believe Clinton should have said anything about right-wingers or the Bush admin as that was not part of the question asked. But I think Clinton does very well in speaking the truth when he says he tried and failed.

Clinton had 8 years to deal with OBL when nobody thought he was half the threat he turned out to be. Bush has had 5 years with OBL being the most wanted man in the world to catch him and hasn't even come close.....hasn't even had the chance, which evidently Clinton had, but the threat posed by OBL was extremely underrated at that time so there was no urgency to catch him. The Bush admin for 8 months also underrated OBL, moreso than Clinton if you ask Richard Clark. Then the towers fell, making OBL the most wanted man in the world. Yet after 5 years, there is no sign of him, which if you think that is in any Clintons fault you are a fool. Both Presidents screwed up in underestimating OBL. And if Bush doesn't catch him in the next 3 years I think its safe to say he has failed far worse than Clinton did. Had OBL been the #1 target on Clintons watch, you know darn well he would have been killed or captured had the opportunity been there.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

How tough would it have been for Clinton to say, Yea, Sudan, send him over. Thanks for the offer. Yep, tried hard. :}

He has lost touch with reality. It is interesting for one of the most powerful men in the world to worry about how he is depicted in a made for TV movie. Psycho........

In defense of both Presidents, catching this guy is like catching a fly with a pair of pliers. Hey slick, enough with fixing the blame. Nice to see the sitting president acting presidential. I have not once seen Bush blame Clinton for this situation. Pity I can't say that in reverse.