Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

[PW2]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

I think Clinton was right on point on that Fox interview. I did not see it, as I was on the St Mary's river catching chinook salmon at the time, but I did see snippets of it.

It's too bad he didn't get Bin Laden before 9-11, but at least he tried. That's more than you can say for his successor.

As far as not beig attacked since 9-11? I'm not sure I would hang my fortunes on that one. It was from 1993 to 2001 for the next attack. The current administration has 3 more years to even equal Clinton's accomplishment, and since then, there have been many attacks worldwide. I hope we are never attacked again, but I fail to see, with our borders as pourous as they are, and so few containers being inspected, etc. How our excellent response is responsible for the lack of attacks.

And one does not need to be a partisan to criticize Bush. One only needs to be awake, and reasonably alert!

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

False PW2. Right up front there is the Cole. Soverign US territory. Then there was UBL claiming responsibilty for Blackhawk down in 1997. albeit years after the event, still during his administration. Did you even read 12footers post. It reads like a road map. And yes, that puts Bush in the hot seat as well. But to claim Clinton had no clue or did a good job is just silly.

We could check the record but some Clinton Administration employee, decided to stick who knows what down his drawers. Unbelievable but consistant with that administration.

 

[KaGee]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Clinton did keep us safe... he eliminated the Branch Dividians... 80 men, women and children killed in cold blood.

And.... he bombed an asprin factory so we wouldn't have any bad drugs.

 

[PW2]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**





Clinton could have done more. He didn't get him. He said that very thing!

The Cole, BTW, was in the middle of the election turmoil. Would it have been wise for a president to have started a war in the weeks before he left office? I don't think so.

As far as Blackhawk down, that is when he made his efforts to get Bin Laden. He failed to get him. So? Show me the effort Bush did in revenging the Cole, or going after Bin Laden. .. Other than taking a month's vacation after 7 months on the job.

And to Mbscott...It was and is a right wing conspiracy. I'm tired of dems apologising to the right for speaking their mind, and I am glad Clinton spoke his mind. It's about time a dem grew a backbone (not that it is new for Clinton, but it is for the other dems) and defended themselves. I am proud of my former president for at least trying to get Bin Laden.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

And the embassy bombings in 1998? More election conflict? When has the Sudaneese government offered UBL to Bush?

Your statement is there was no terrorist bombings between the first WTC attempt and the second.

Quote:

"It was from 1993 to 2001 for the next attack."

This is just plain wrong.

As for the Cole. I am sorry that our enemys attacked us when it was inconvenient for Clinton. They must not have got the DNC playbook. I hope the security of our nation wasn't affected by the Dem's election strategy. :| And can you believe what he said, I wanted to declare war on Afganistan but George Tennent wouldn't let me. Who was in charge?

A right wing conspiracy executed by CHRIS WALLACE? 20 years working for ABC? A bloodline in the industry going back to its infancy? It was either a planned stategy by Clinton to make the dems look passionate about the issue (playacting) or the guy is Psycho.

 

[PW2]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

And the embassy bombings in 1998? More election conflict? When has the Sudaneese government offered UBL to Bush?

Your statement is there was no terrorist bombings between the first WTC attempt and the second.

Quote:

"It was from 1993 to 2001 for the next attack."

This is just plain wrong.

As for the Cole. I am sorry that our enemys attacked us when it was inconvenient for Clinton. They must not have got the DNC playbook. I hope the security of our nation wasn't affected by the Dem's election strategy. :| And can you believe what he said, I wanted to declare war on Afganistan but George Tennent wouldn't let me. Who was in charge?

A right wing conspiracy executed by CHRIS WALLACE? 20 years working for ABC? A bloodline in the industry going back to its infancy? It was either a planned stategy by Clinton to make the dems look passionate about the issue (playacting) or the guy is Psycho.

Ok, The offering up of OBL by the Sudanese gov't was bunk, was always bunk, and is bunk now. Sorry, things don't become true simply because you want to believe them. Every reputible intelligence source confirms it to be untrue.

As far as the attacks, worldwide, Alqaida attacks has been increasing, rather than decreasing. London, Spain, Bali, Jordan come to mind off the top of my mind. You can't claim Alqaida attacks have stopped--they haven't. We have not had one in this country--that is of course a good thing, and I don't know what to attribute it to, but between 1993 and 2001 was 8 years---2001 to current it is 5 years---and hopefully we'll get in the next administration someone that is serious about fighting the terrorists effectively, and maybe we can avoid another attack.

 

[PW2]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

quote--
A right wing conspiracy executed by CHRIS WALLACE? 20 years working for ABC? A bloodline in the industry going back to its infancy? It was either a planned stategy by Clinton to make the dems look passionate about the issue (playacting) or the guy is Psycho.

A conspiracy is probably the wrong word. Conspiracy requires intentions to be veiled, and this is right out in the open for everyone to see. Hatchet job is probably the correct term. After the recent ABC docudrama that consistently misstates the facts, I can certainly understand Clinton's anger.

If you want to criticize a public figure, fine, but get your facts right.

I still don't know what Bush did to revenge the Cole, or get Bin Laden.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Ripped right past the Cole and the embassy's dates as they related to your point. Come on PW, there were several attacks by alQuada during the time frame you said there were none. This is not debateable. You don't even dispute the facts. Our warships are sovereign soil, so are our embassies. There were attacks on American soil. And American citizens.

No facts to the Sudan offering up UBL?

http://www.infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm

A first hand account by the man who tried to broker the deal.

I have to laugh at your criticize a public figure comment, where is Nancy and Harry who called for Rove to RESIGN. Give up his job! No facts, lots of fantasy. OH YEA, NO APOLOGY.

And here we go calling things conspiracies, again with no facts. :Your boy Clinton.

Nobody said attacks have stopped, just stopped here!!

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Soveriegn soil?
Reaching a bit, aren't we?
We will always be vulnerable to attack overseas....
Even as much as Dubya would like to police the world, ya just can't......JK

 

[LFK]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

What would you call this?

Man, I miss having a president with a sharp mind and the ability to think and debate on the fly. Not to mention one that’s fiscally responsible.

Transcripts: http://thinkprogress.org/clinton-interview

Video: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/fox_fns_clinton_part1_060924a_320x240.wmv

video part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6620818158935418334&q=clinton+interview

Personally, I thought Clinton kicked Chris Wallace's ass. Wallace asked his question; Clinton put him in his place and then started answering it in specific detail. When Wallace realized Clinton had a solid, point-by-point answer, he tried to cut him off change the question, but Clinton would have none of that. On Fox News, Fred Barnes and Brit Hume made it seem like Clinton was unhinged and scrambling and that Wallace did a great job...but I thought Wallace got pwned.

Too bad Clinton gets a bad rap for backing off when the Republicans screamed that his focus on bin Laden was "wagging the dog", trying to distract the nation from Lewinski by creating a "phony" enemy and taking military action against him. If Clinton had been stronger, had he stuck to his guns and not been cowed by his political opponents, who knows what the world would look like now. On the other hand, had his opponents rallied behind him rather than salivating over Clinton's embarrassment and disliking any action that distracted from it, same difference.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Quote 12footer
treedancer, did you even watch the interview?

Ya I watched the sorry axx spectacle he made of himself:'(. I have looked at what you have put up on several of my own research sights, plus could add to it if I wanted to.

Too me he made a complete axx of himself with that Fox interview. Im definitely thru trying to defend the man, guess he will have to "muddle thru life without treedancers support".

Don’t mean by any means that I am crossing over to the dark side, what it means is that Ex President Clinton is now on a lower rung on treedancers ladder.:devil:

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Sure Treedancer,

Avoid the real question!

How was the Rams game? 8)

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

"On the other hand, had his opponents rallied behind him rather than salivating over Clinton's embarrassment and disliking any action that distracted from it, same difference. "
So why doesn't the democratic party follow your advise and be bigger the the Republicans were (in your words, not mine) and rally behind President Bush during WAR?
Who knows how the world would look today if the dems did this?

 

[crunch]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Quote 12footer
treedancer, did you even watch the interview?

Ya I watched the sorry axx spectacle he made of himself:'(. I have looked at what you have put up on several of my own research sights, plus could add to it if I wanted to.

Too me he made a complete axx of himself with that Fox interview. Im definitely thru trying to defend the man, guess he will have to "muddle thru life without treedancers support".

Don’t mean by any means that I am crossing over to the dark side, what it means is that Ex President Clinton is now on a lower rung on treedancers ladder.:devil:

And you just stepped up a rung on mine.

 

[PW2]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

The dems did back the Pres during the war. In Afghanistan, where the perps of 9-11 were hanging out, etc.

Many even backed him in Iraq, until it became clear his complete incompetency had botched the entire Iraq thing into an impossible quagmire.

LFK wrote:
Man, I miss having a president with a sharp mind and the ability to think and debate on the fly. Not to mention one that’s fiscally responsible.

Now ain't that the truth! And one that doesn't have to resort to his handlers and speechwriters to string together a sentence, other than resorting to meaningless cliches.

Gawd it's refreshing to hear a dem not backpedalling and apologising for what they think!

And I agree with your scorecard.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

I see, so you can pick and choose to support your President? Well if that's the case, then this:

"On the other hand, had his opponents rallied behind him rather than salivating over Clinton's embarrassment and disliking any action that distracted from it, same difference. "

Is Irellivant .

I guess the Republicans chose not to back him, just as the dems are choosing not to back Bush, so why even say it?

 

[rolmops]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

I would love to see an interview of equal time,with president Bush being interviewed by a left leaning interviewer.
Or better even, a televized discussion between Bush and Clinton.
But that is wishful thinking.Even president Bush understands that he would be on very thin ice indeed.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

I would like to see Clinton interviewed by a right wing journalist.

CHRIS WALLACE! Right wing political assassin. You have lost your mind. :%

Here is the ONE question Wallace asked.

Is there anything you think you could have done more to apprehend UBL. Thats it!

Really hitting below the belt! Oh yea that is right wing political code :} But only those of us with the secret decoder ring understand it. Great answer by the master debater :}

PSYCHO....... :}

 

[12Footer]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Soveriegn soil?
Reaching a bit, aren't we?
We will always be vulnerable to attack overseas....
Even as much as Dubya would like to police the world, ya just can't......JK

Hmmm.. I didn't know the pentagon was overseas.
Do you know what the purpose of an "embasy" is Haut?
And a hint:
it's NOT suposed to be a building mutants use as target practice.

 

[Parrott_head]

Re: Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden**When is a joke not a joke?**

Here is the ONE question Wallace asked.

Is there anything you think you could have done more to apprehend UBL. Thats it!

Here is link with a written transcript of the interview.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609240002

The opening salvo question was :
Why didn't you do more to put bin Laden and Al Qaeda out of business when you were president?