Coast guard hits a boat....

evinice66

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

go milwaukee! gotta love it, couple idiots hit a couple other idiots... i know some idiots in milwaukee so i know how this happened. two guys living in the miller high life commercial: "duh hay deir frank look at da ahh ...big boat" "yeah george ,its big, im waving" C.G.A. :"hey guys stop, or im going to run you over!" haha
i bet good money beer was involved, brew city man
ialso bet the cga said.... idk it all happened so fast! in which it did not
 

wildmaninal

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

I believe it is the driver of the runabout's fault. I also seen the video on TV, he wasn't paying attention, he's lucky him and the passenger or passengers were not killed.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

The boat that was hit was off the starboard bow of the CG Aux boat, so he was the privileged boat, and the CG Aux boat was the burdened boat. That places the bulk of the blame for the accident on the CG Aux boat. That said, the guy who was hit is required to maintain awareness of other boats in his area, so he shares blame. Had he been paying attention, he might have avoided the collision.

To me, this is a pretty bizarre accident merely because both boats were completely visible to one another. Both also had plenty of time to alter course, but didn't. In the case the "victim," we know that is true because he wasn't paying attention. In the case of the CG Aux boat, however, we know that the helmsman was completely aware of the other boat. The accident almost makes me wonder if the dumb CG Aux guy didn't know the rules of the road, and was waiting for the other guy to alter course. Either that, or he was arrogant enough to think that his status as a CG Aux Facility negated the rules of the road.

Either way .... dumb, dumb, dumb!
 

reelfishin

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

Regardless of what rules of the road or water apply, the smaller boat was all but driving blind, they never looked. There's no way I'd be running at speed and not scanning the water on all sides for other boats or objects in the water.
What it boils down to is a total lack of common sense.
I would in no way fault the CG boat, they were doing their job and are the law on the water. It would be the equivalent of racing across a parking lot in your car and either striking or cutting off an getting hit by a patrol car. No matter how you look at it, it's your own fault. The CG boat was in every way issuing audible warning to that boat which they either couldn't hear or ignored it.

What it looks like to me was that they were not in control of their vessel and certainly weren't paying attention.
If a CG boat was headed my way like that, there would be no way not to notice it.To make matters worse, there were others on the boat who just the same weren't paying any attention to their surroundings.
When we run inshore or back waters here, someone is always assigned the task of lookout for things like crab pots, marker buoys and other obstructions in the water. That way the captain can concentrate on the channel markers and depth sounder and the basic running of the boat. Two set of eyes are better than one.
 

salty87

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

2 wrongs and all of that

the CGaux boat did what a rescue/enforcement operation never wants to do...need rescue, become part of the problem. granted their boat didn't sink but it plays a very prominent role in the report.

if i were involved in reviewing, i'd hold them to a much higher standard than a couple of jokers waving to the ladies on the tourist boat. the pro's should expect bone-headed moves like that from the public.
 

david_r

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it seems to me they are both at fault.........who the blame falls on is debatable--- obviously.

to me boats are like motorcycles you have to pay extra close attention to your surroundings or your up **** creek without a paddle and a bad leak.

if you want my honest opinion neither one of them belong behind the controls of ANY boat.
 

Bumpus7

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

Hopefully this is not a repost...Coast guard hits a runabout, coast guard at fault?!
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/4/Coast-Guard-Hits-And-Sinks-Boat-483877.html


In watched and listening to the video above and it sounds like the person who is doing the talking is on board " The Coast Guard Auxiliary Boat " and he says the boat is being run buy what he called a ( " Civilian Volunteer " )
This is the same boat ( " The Coast Guard Auxiliary Boat " ) which hit the smaller craft in the video.

He says that they ( " The Coast Guard Auxiliary Boat " ) are the ones who are are blocking other pleasure craft from entering the area under investigation while the ( Coast Guard Boat ) searches the scene looking for the man in the water.


Both boaters ( Of the large and small vessels ) were at fault by Law.


The person running ( " The Coast Guard Auxiliary Boat " ) broke the rules of crossing by not yield right of way to avoid the accident, and did not sound his horn which is also required by law.



Crossing Rule = with picture at bottom:

When two power-driven vessels are crossing so as to involve risk of collision, the vessel which has the other on her starboard side shall keep out of the way and shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid crossing ahead (in front) of the other vessel.

When taking action to stay out of the way, make it early, substantial and well clear of the other boat. Avoid making a succession of small alterations of course or speed. If you are directed by the Rules to stay out of the way, then make your turn large and obvious so as to be readily apparent to another vessel both visually or by radar. This is especially true at night, when the only visual indication of your course change is the alteration of your boat's lights.



The Smaller boat did have the right of way, and comes under the Give-way and Stand-on Vessels rules of the water way.

Even thought this boater ( The Small Boat ) was not paying attention, and did not sound his horn either as the law also requires, he did have the right of way.




The ( " Civilian Volunteer = Piloting The Coast Guard Auxiliary Boat " ) was mainly at fault by not obeying the rules of the water ways ( yielding the right of way ) which he should be well knowledgeable of. There is also a 50 ft. rule to take into consideration which was not obeyed.

Civilian Volunteers ... don't have that much training.



Give-way and Stand-on Vessels:

"Give-way" means every vessel directed to keep out of the way of another vessel must, so far as possible, take early and substantial action to keep well clear.

"Stand-on" means when one of two vessels is to keep out of the way, the other (stand-on) shall keep course and speed, except however, the stand-on vessel may take action to avoid collision by maneuvering alone, as soon as it becomes apparent that the vessel required to keep out of the way is not taking appropriate action as required and may take such action as will best aid to avoid collision.

If the stand-on vessel must take action to avoid a collision, it must avoid turning to port for a vessel on her port side.

An action taken to avoid a collision needs to be positive, made in ample time and large enough to be apparent to the other vessel. A succession of small alterations of course or speed is to be avoided. If necessary to avoid a collision or allow more time to assess the situation, a vessel must slacken her speed or take all way off by stopping or reversing engines.

If there is any doubt as to whether or not a risk of collision exists, always default to the risk existing. In determining if risk of collision exists, take the following considerations into account; such a risk exists if the compass bearing of an approaching vessel does not appreciably change and that such risk may sometimes exist even when the appreciable bearing change is evident, particularly when approaching a very large vessel or a tow or when approaching a vessel at close range.

Power boats must "stay out of the way" of a sailing vessel regardless of the angle the power-driven vessel approaches the sailing vessel.



Departure From Regulations to Avoid Immediate Danger:

In obeying and construing the navigation rules, due regard shall be had to all dangers of navigating and collision and to any special circumstances which may render a departure from these rules necessary in order to avoid immediate danger. When, from any cause the vessel required to keep its course and speed finds itself so close that collision cannot be avoided by the action of the give-way vessel alone, the operator shall take such action as will best aid to avoid collision. This action does not relieve the give-way vessel of its obligation to keep out of the way. The give-way vessel is that vessel required to take early and substantial action to keep well away from other vessels by stopping, slowing or changing course.



Exoneration:

No operator is exonerated from the consequences of any neglect to carry and display navigation lights as required by law; or of any neglect to keep a proper lookout, or of the neglect of any reasonable precaution which may be required by the ordinary practice of good seamanship or by the special circumstances of the case. A full copy of the Navigation Rules (PDF), published by the US Coast Guard, is available at the USCG's Web site (PDF) or by contacting the Government Printing Office.


CROSSING EXAMPLE:
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salty87

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

i think there's a big difference in this scenario.

this wasn't 2 pleasure boaters crossing courses. the cg aux was intercepting the smaller boat and rammed people that were obviously not aware of the cg aux's attempts. the video doesn't help their case at all.
 

Bumpus7

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i think there's a big difference in this scenario.

this wasn't 2 pleasure boaters crossing courses. the cg aux was intercepting the smaller boat and rammed people that were obviously not aware of the cg aux's attempts. the video doesn't help their case at all.


Rules are rules and The Coast Guard Auxiliary Boat ( Operator ) did nothing to comply even though he had plenty of time.
He neither yielded or blew his horn which is required by law and he had plenty of time to do so, and he should have known that he is required to do so.

The small boat had the right of way, first and foremost, by law.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

Once again, the CG Aux has no law enforcement authority. It can not legally stop the other boat or cut it off. The CG Aux helmsman was responsible for adhering to the maritime rules, just like anyone else. He did not.

The other boater also shared a responsibility to maintain awareness of other boats and/or hazards, under the rules. He did not.

Both parties are at fault but the CG Aux helmsman bears more responsibility because he was the burdened boat, and was fully aware of the other boat. That he failed to avoid the collision is almost unbelievable.
 

ebry710

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It is each Captains responsibility to avoid collisions. Fault is not the issue, that is what citations are for.

The captain of the small boat at WOT was unaware of his surroundings and somehow missed seeing the broadside of a 41' boat.

The captain of the CG saw the small boat and still kept on speed even though the small boat was on the right side and unaware of his mission or position. Calling out on a PA doesn't always stop a accident from happening. Accident avoidance is the first thing taught in a boater safety course.

The fact is two boat collided. Hopefully, the two captains are smarter now.
 

This_lil_fishy

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

OF note, the CG equivalent around here has very large, very fast, and VERY quiet boats. Except of course, the horns...which are VERY not quiet. I was approached for a safety check near the end of the season, I saw them off a ways and was trolling pretty deep. Looked back at my lines after ensuring no boats ahead, or headed towards me and next thing I know I needed a change of pants as the horns/sirens sounded directly starboard....they were within about 30feet of me.

They must have felt a bit guilty after seeing me jump three feet out of my seat....and just asked if I was enjoying the day, and if I was properly equipped....and then sped off to ensure the same of the jet ski that went screaming past...


Ian
 

grego

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Re: Coast guard hits a boat....

reminds me of the time I was running near full throttle and the family of seven, on five "wetjets,waverunners,jetskis,bubble bees?" Came out of a bay at full throttle. I shut down and hit reverse, we took on a lot of water and scared the crap out of all onboard. None of family saw us, or know how close they were! I had to buy my wife TWO! air horns, in case people don't hear the first. or her cussing. lol
 
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