compression IL6

Chris1956

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If you are working on the cylinder head water jacket, look to see if you can drill thru the casting and add nuts on the inside of the bolts. A lot of the blocks had this feature.
 

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how do i get this bit off that the flywheel was on and would you say the head gasket had gone???????trying to upload pics but its not working
 

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tried again
ok in the first pic the grey bit at the end how do i get it off to remove the crank????figured it out now i have to remove the screws that are on the silver bits but they are stuck solid any ideas????done it sorry was impatient...pic 3,4,5 are of the piston that has somehow got metal down it scratched all the piston but the barrel has no score marks at all is this possible so now i will leave you while waiting for new piston and rings and will update you on weather she starts again or not
 

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Renny, You may leave the inner flywheel attached to the crank, if you do not need to replace the top main bearing. It you need to remove it, use a harmonic balancer puller or some other non-hook type puller.

It appears that you have rust on the crankcase. I do not like the look of that. Is the water jacket leaking into the cylinders?
 

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which bit is the water jacket(total newbie should i have stripped this engine) and also there are two bearings on the crankshaft each a quarter of the way up on eithr side... they were both cracked what are they called (so i buy the right items)and what caused them to crack and am i gonna need that puller to replace them or is it worth it thanks to you all being so patient with me
 

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boy am i impatient .... just looked at the manual and they are meant to be split hence the C clip and the clamps to keep them on... you wouldnt be able to get them on the crank otherwise what a numpty i am..... i still dont know where the water jacket is tho
 

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Renny, The main bearings and the reed boxes unbolt from the crankshaft. I am concerned that yours cracked. I never saw that happen before.

If you do not have a factory service manual, now is the time to get one.

The cooling system is a combination of outer covers on the head and exhaust ports, and an inner cover that is around the exhaust ports themselves. Under the outer exhaust cover is an exhaust baffel. This will sometimes get a hole in it from corrosion and allow water to spray into the cylinder. Also if the inner exhaust cover leaks, water will be drawn into the cylinders. if the rust is confined to the lowest cylinder, you may have bad crankshaft seals in the lower end cap. These are easily replaced.
 

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both bearings are split in the same way and looking at manual it is exactly the same... bearings go on crank C clip holds them on and 2 clamps bolt on to them keeping them together have you got a pic of the water jacket or where abouts on the engine it is????



just been on a website which says some bearings are split
 

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took water jacket off no holes but part of the gasket looked very suspect and it is more cleaner where the gaskey looked dodgy whereas the top has quite a bit of oil on it
 

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In reply to your PM
#3 has always been a problem on the inlines. In 78 or so, they found that due to crank configuration, #3 was firing a touch early, so if not good gas, and timing on the mark, it will toast #3. They offset the trigger window on 3 1978 or so, and you having a what, 82?..you are ok there. Dunno much here on the newer ones though.
Run it 21 degrees anyway, and use mid grade gas.

It looked to me like it either got hot, and/or water getting in. You know water..goes everywhere ya don't want it at times. Plus ya gotta really keep up with a good impeller...change every few years on those motors.
I'm very fortunate to have an old merc guru, who does these motors blindfolded (just built me a 72 crank up 135 for my 16" Flatbottom), and he can spot stuff no one else sees as cause. But after years, ya gain experience. He does all my work (even though its mine and paid for($2000)..its still HIS baby.
You will need a good Factory manual, toss the others.
REALLY look over all surfaces and plates...MUST BE FLAT AND TRUE..any warp, gonna be trouble down the line.
Don't know where "Clams" here has been, but he also knows those motors VERY well.
If the bores are OK (I can't see that toast piston not doing some damage though), best I can say is look it over VERY close, replace whats needed. Any rough bearings..replace, any dis-colored..same.
Keep up the progress on this same thread...don't start new. Good luck!
 

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Renny, The main bearings and the reed boxes unbolt from the crankshaft. I am concerned that yours cracked. I never saw that happen before.

Chris..read the post above your original..they are split bearings, not cracked..he figured that out

If you do not have a factory service manual, now is the time to get one.

Renny, this cannot be streesed enough

The cooling system is a combination of outer covers on the head and exhaust ports, and an inner cover that is around the exhaust ports themselves. Under the outer exhaust cover is an exhaust baffel. This will sometimes get a hole in it from corrosion and allow water to spray into the cylinder. Also if the inner exhaust cover leaks, water will be drawn into the cylinders. if the rust is confined to the lowest cylinder, you may have bad crankshaft seals in the lower end cap. These are easily replaced.

I'll do a 99% sure thats the problem....a water intrusion/got hot/leaking something in that area
 

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i cannot find a factory service manual anywhere for my engine anyone got any good links(mercurypartsexpress is not going at the moment)
 

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Slightly off topic, but this thread gives great detail on stripdown of an IL6, it might help. Unfortunately the pictures must have got lost during two bulletin board software changes, and they told a major part of the story. This is the thread which got me hooked on iboats!

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=128767

O-G
 

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i cannot find a factory service manual anywhere for my engine anyone got any good links(mercurypartsexpress is not going at the moment)
Search Maxrules.com $76
 

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all the new gubbins are coming weekend for the rebuild so look forward to some fun on this thread.... boy am i not looking forward to doing this as i didnt mark the flywheel before i took it off, im sure there is a way round it(i hope anyway),also am i right in saying no ring compressor is needed???
 

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Renny, The flywheel can only be installed 8 ways. 7 of these ways will indicate the timing is way off (360 rotation/8 = 45 degrees off minimum).

On the other topic, I always used my fingers and a screwdriver to install the pistons and rings. Of course, I needed to detach them from the crank in order to do this. it is very tedious, but successful.
 

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if i got a piston dial indicator would i be able to put piston 1 on tdc and then put flywheel on so the tdc mark on flywheel points to the pointer(i forgot to mark it when removing)
 

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Renny, You certainly can use a dial indicator to install the flywheel correctly. You can also use a screwdriver as well. Use the screwdriver thru the top spark plug hole and set the crank until the piston is at top dead center. Now put the flywheel on and turn it until the timing pointer reads as close to TDC as is possible and the holes align.
 

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well here we go again
put all the pistons back on the crank and then found out i put them on the wrong way so this time im gonna try it the way chris says i.e put pistons in bores then attach crank
killed the thread in one of the bolt holes on the transfer cover ports
broke the bit that holds the rod on the trigger assembly
dont know what calamitys i will encumbre today

so far just a piston ring snapped now gotta wait for more
 

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well thats 6 rings i have snapped trying to put pistons back in the pots i have tried your way chris but cant do the nuts up and its starting to get expensive now please someone tell me the best way to get pistons back in the pots
 
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