Knightgang
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Re: Concealed gun question
I am not trying to add fuel to a political fire and hope that this post is not read in that way, but I felt the need to continue this discussion...
TX, I can see your point, and to an extent you are correct. However, I think the legislatures need to define what they see as a militia if they are interpreting as you suggest, the rights of the militia...
From Wikipedia...
The term militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[1] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[2]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or State Defense Forces.
According to this definition, the State Defense Forces are the only organized militia left. However, to my knowledge they do not have weapons, especially since they are an unpaid force.
So, in the event of a militia call (out to ordinary citizens, like what was done in the Rev War.) then where would the volunteers secure weapons from for defense??? Remember those that were part of the militia used their own weapons and gear.
2nd amendment causes alot of greif for states and legislatures because so many weapons are used i the commission of crimes, and those that are ignorant about weapons feel that if they control weapons, they can control crime. You can kill someone just as easily with a Claw Hammer as you can a gun. Control is not the issue, education is. Criminals will be criminals no matter the weapon. Licensing and registering of guns I am fine with. But to ban and not license at all, I would have issues with if I were in one of those states...
I am not trying to add fuel to a political fire and hope that this post is not read in that way, but I felt the need to continue this discussion...
TX, I can see your point, and to an extent you are correct. However, I think the legislatures need to define what they see as a militia if they are interpreting as you suggest, the rights of the militia...
From Wikipedia...
The term militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[1] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[2]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
A subset of these who may be legally penalized for failing to respond to a call-up.
A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or State Defense Forces.
According to this definition, the State Defense Forces are the only organized militia left. However, to my knowledge they do not have weapons, especially since they are an unpaid force.
So, in the event of a militia call (out to ordinary citizens, like what was done in the Rev War.) then where would the volunteers secure weapons from for defense??? Remember those that were part of the militia used their own weapons and gear.
2nd amendment causes alot of greif for states and legislatures because so many weapons are used i the commission of crimes, and those that are ignorant about weapons feel that if they control weapons, they can control crime. You can kill someone just as easily with a Claw Hammer as you can a gun. Control is not the issue, education is. Criminals will be criminals no matter the weapon. Licensing and registering of guns I am fine with. But to ban and not license at all, I would have issues with if I were in one of those states...