Cracked block from freezing?

baineyg

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Hi all, Got rid of the Tahoe and bought a 94 Maxum with a 5.7 L I/O. Used it all summer on the Potomac. Tried to start it today and the water pump was froze. Looked further and the block is cracked on both sides. Please take a look at the pics and tell me if this is now a lost cause. Water is leaking from both sides of the motor.
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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

guessing you did not drain it.

need a new block, heads, and exhaust manifolds at a minimum. most likely the oil cooler is also split.
 

baineyg

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

That's what I thought. I drained it below the exhaust manifolds (brand new) and ran 2 gals of RV antifreeze through but guess it didn't make it whole way through the motor.
 

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

That's what I thought. I drained it below the exhaust manifolds (brand new) and ran 2 gals of RV antifreeze through but guess it didn't make it whole way through the motor.

Ayuh,.... Ya didn't drain the Block, 'n the antifreeze was just pushed outa the boat, because the block was already full of water,...

Anyways, Ya, shes done for, til ya long block it,...
 

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if you drained the exhaust manifolds, then you just need the block and heads for the motor. did you also check the oil cooler in the line from the transom shield to the motor?
 

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Freezing is why Mercruiser sells so many short blocks and long blocks. Few ever actually wear out. And unfortunately, Mercruiser wants a lot for their parts. I always drained my blocks on my Mercruisers, as air never freezes.

I would suggest you go to BooksAMillion or one of the big book stores with great magazine sections. There are large boat dealers in Florida that stock Mercruiser engine replacements, and they advertise in better boating magazines. Maybe such a dealer could save you money vs. buying in Virginia at list price.

Used marine engines are often seen in BoatTrader.com and at EBayMotors.com in the Parts section. General Motors Mr. Goodwrench also has a certain model 5.7 engine that's interchangable with Mercruisers--priced right, but best not used in salt water.

A last resort would be to buy another donor boat with a V-8 Chevy in it. Then, switchover the parts to your better hull.
 
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Sorry to agree with Scott Danforth and Bondo that it is toast but it is what it is. Next motor, run engine up to temp. drain all plugs, replace all plugs and run 4-5 gallons of antifreeze through the engine via the muffs for rust prevention and just to make sure you that if any water did remain it will now be antifreeze. Don't know what you want to spend on a new long block but here is a link to Mercruiser's solution. A non catylised remanned long block. I believe they will pay for shipping if you ship them back your old block.

Mercury Remanufacturing - MerCruiser - YouTube

I bought 2 last year and have been real happy with them + the 3 year free warranty they threw in.
 
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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

That is sad to hear. I've been telling people on this and other forums for years NOT to use those winterizing kits on raw water cooled engines. It is just very risky and if you are going to drain it first why bother running the AF in (if it does not suck it in fast enough you can burn up the impeller), just pour it in through the hoses to fill the engine and manifolds to reduce corrosion. This is how Mercury says you are supposed to use AF and the same method is in my OMC shop manual. Why oh why do people take short cuts and discount the advice of engineers???
 

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That is sad to hear. I've been telling people on this and other forums for years NOT to use those winterizing kits on raw water cooled engines. It is just very risky and if you are going to drain it first why bother running the AF in (if it does not suck it in fast enough you can burn up the impeller), just pour it in through the hoses to fill the engine and manifolds to reduce corrosion. This is how Mercury says you are supposed to use AF and the same method is in my OMC shop manual. Why oh why do people take short cuts and discount the advice of engineers???

Every Mercury Certified mechanic I've spoken with on the East Coast of MA including the Master Tech who services my boat when I don't, has told me to winterize in the manner described in post#7. (which is the way they do it as well) It's not any kind of a short cut, it is done that way for a reason. When you run the antifreeze in on the muffs it goes in under pressure and circulates inside the motor. Anywhere that the water went the antifreeze will now follow. If you follow the instructions, place the container of antifreeze above the drive, vent it well, open the valve all the way, wait until the antifreeze gets to the outdrive before starting and idling your motor at temperature along with shutting off the motor before you run out of antifreeze like you are supposed to then you won't have any problems with your impeller. It is no more risky than running off the muffs to flush out the engine.
 

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

You can buy Chevy long blocks anywhere you're not restricted to Mercruiser. Check online for marine long blocks or if you're a mechanicky kinda dude or dudette you can marinize an engine out of your neighbors pickup. Just be quiet swapping them out in the middle of the night. Be interesting to see what his mechanic tells him when he sees the cracks.

All you have to do is drain it. Trying to get antifreeze in there causes more engines to be replaced than anything else. Air doesn't freeze. Small pockets of water are harmless.
 
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If you drain it first, that method can work, I was referring to running in the AF without draining. But if you are going to drain anyway, backfilling through the hoses is easier and safer. The issue can be difficulty in pulling in the AF. It's not under the same pressure as water and it can burn the impeller ESP on engines with engine mounted impellers like the Bravos because of the long distance from the water intakes to the impeller. I bet this procedure is not in a Merc factory manual. The mechanics do it because it saves time, not because Merc says to.
 

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

if you nevertheless drain the block i ask myself for what people take the additional work in pushing antifreeze in it ?
 

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you do not need to buy a block from Mercruiser. Mercruiser buys their longblock from GM's industrial engine division. as Walt mentioned, the main thing differentiating your marine motor from your neighbors 1990-1995 pickup truck is that the Marine motor gets a marine cam, brass core plugs (notice, they are NOT freeze plugs like people mistakenly call them), and stainless cored head gaskets.
 

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Re: Cracked block from freezing?

Subscribing in . . .

You did a nice job with cracking the block, clearly a done deal. Some are not so obvious.
 

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Cast iron rusts a lot faster when exposed to air than when full of AF with corrosion inhibitors. Merc themselves tells you this if you read their manual.
 

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if you nevertheless drain the block i ask myself for what people take the additional work in pushing antifreeze in it ?

The inside of your block will rust if you only drain it. If you fill it with AF after you drain it, it prevents this corrosion from happening.
 

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I use a freshwater pump,12 volt to run the anti freeze in them sterndrives. After draining,It pumps it in,ensuring the impeller isnt dry,start it up,run it through. Done. I agree about air not freezing,but our shop has us use the anti freeze as added insurance.
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I use a freshwater pump,12 volt to run the anti freeze in them sterndrives. After draining,It pumps it in,ensuring the impeller isnt dry,start it up,run it through. Done. I agree about air not freezing,but our shop has us use the anti freeze as added insurance.
Grub

Maybe I'm missing something here but how is it any different running the AF down the hose and in through the muffs (assuming you have the muffs properly attached and the AF tank generously vented) vs. having the boat sit in the water and starting it? In neither case is the liquid pressurized and in both cases (I would think) the impeller would be lubricated at the same time. We're just talking about idling here.
 

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The argument that antifreeze prevents corrosion is probably valid and I imagine it does but the block and heads will wear out long before anything ever rusts through. Hey if going through the brain damage of filling with antifreeze floats your boat why by all means do it. Keep in mind we get questions every spring about cracked engines that were supposedly winterized this way. Drain it and forget it. Pull the lower hose from the circ pump, let that water out, drain the coolers, drain the manifolds and you are DONE. Air doesn't freeze. It seem like so much trouble to add the antifreeze. Burning up impellers because the muffs don't seal completely is so common also. In the end you are guessing anyway. We get questions like "I ran it on the muffs, it sucked up 300 gallons of antifreeze but nothing came out" Whereas we don't get too many questions about draining. Well, we do actually,
"No water came out of block" (plugged holes)
"Its already frozen" (Too effin late ya bonehead)
"there were tiny frogs in the water" (Ewww find another lake")
"Are there any more hoses I should drain?" (Yep, go pull the hose out of the bottom of the holding tank :D)
 

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Lots of mis-information here.
Point 1: GM and Ford designed the engines to run with AF in them all the time. Running them in a raw water cooled set up will cause a lot of rust to form inside. Eventually this rust will form an insulating layer on top of the cast iron that will impair heat transfer and you will have chronic overheating.
Point 2: here in salt water land (coastal Long Island) it is a well known fact that most inboards will rust out before they wear out, or water ingestion from rusted exhaust will cause it to fail. You don't see worn bearings, rings too often. Heads, intake manifolds, blocks, they all can rust through.
Point 3: adding AF the way I learned by simply reading the OMC shop manual takes all of 10 minutes and the end of my winterization. I have a 25 year old engine that has not rusted through yet and it's been moored and used in salt water 6 months of the year for at least 15 years!!! Sorry freshwater guys I know far more about this than any if you will ever need to. My mechanic marvels at the fact that my old I/O has outlasted many outboards that are the preferred choice here.
So I have to ask, what, is so hard about pouring AF into the big hose at the top end after draining, till you see it appear at the thermo housing, or filling each manifold till some AF runs out on the ground (why you must use no tox AF)?

You want to talk hard, well try spitting open a salt water used outdrive that has not been taken apart for a few years. That's hard, but being here in salt water you learn ways that work better so you can get it done.

Point 4: do what you want, what I am trying to teach you all is simply what both OMC and Merc recommended in their manuals; I can't take credit for it but I can take credit for proving IT WORKS!

Last points....2 ways of knowing you don't have a lot of flaking rust in the block/heads
1) you change your thermostat and see no flaking rust in the intake manifold
2) you change your front water pump and see no flaking rust in the block cooling passages, or even in the 22 year old pump you just took off!
3) back when we drove American cars with all cast iron engines, just like our GM marine motors, GM et al told you to replace the antifreeze every 3 years, why, to prevent freezing, well no not really, to REDUCE CORROSION. This applies to marine engines too. The cast iron is the same, the process of corrosion is the same. If you ran water in your collectable car, drained it out in the fall so it would not freeze, and did this year after year vs having AF in it all the time guess what method would give longer life?

And when you start it up in the spring, you don't have rusty water coming out the exhaust, you WILL see this on engines that are stored dry though.....

All my experience in salt water tells me that any inboard should be closed cooled at least for the block/heads....that would give the best engine life/cooling performance over the years...here we have some closed cooled inboard gas V8s that have well over 30 years on em and guess what, they can actually last longer than outboards if you go with closed cooling and replace the exhaust risers/gaskets when needed.
 
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