Credit Card Debt Question

jay_merrill

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Only a couple thoughts. In bankruptcy there are different plans. The Attorney/Credit Councelsor will advise the best plan. Whether it's chapter 11 reorganize or chapter 13 completely disolve all assets or Chapter 7 in which I'm not sure what that is.

Chapter 7 is for liquidation of a business that can not pay its creditors, under a reorganization plan. It can also be used for individuals. Chapters 11 and 13 are for reorganization in order to pay creditors. There is also a Chapter 12, which is for reorganization on family farm or fishing businesses.
 

gonefishie

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Creditors will usually take anywhere from 30-50% of the balance and call it even, if and only if you agree to stop using the card, close your account and pay the agreed amount within 3 months. The faster you can pay off the agreed amount the better. They will rather take 30% versus nothing if you're forced to file bankruptcy.
 

salty87

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consolidating the other debts into the home loan will only work if he has equity in the house. standards are a lot different nowadays.

if he wants to keep the house, i agree about the roommate. an extra couple hundred bucks a month could make a big difference.
 

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Also remember that any money you settle not to pay is taxable income and can come as quite a jolt at the end of the year if you aren't ready for it. Better to be indebted to a credit card company than the IRS. As stated above, ask to have late fees removed from the total bill before you settle on a payoff price. That will save him a bit on his taxes next April. Good luck, credit cards suck.
 

ezmobee

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credit cards suck.
Ain't that the truth. Had plenty of problems with them in the past. We now only have one card. We were just recently informed that our "prime+0" rate will now be "prime+0-but-can-never-be-below-7%".......b@stards.
 

Kiwi Phil

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Given this a lot of thought T2F.
Initially I thought: 'how to help'.
But you may not be in a position to help, without creating worry and instability for your own financial future.

I personally think you have to look after yourself 1st this time.
Logic has to rule (from what you have explained).

That means the assistance you can give may have to be in the form of ideas etc, not money.

There are a lot of good suggestions here.....I like SS Mayfloat's, and PW2's too, except i have found with one of my older kids, it's better to send him to a community budget service, because he won't argue ever point with them like he will with me.

There is something wrong with our generation and the way we think we always have to help our off-spring....don't know how that got bread into us!!

(I feel a bit stupid giving advice, as I am the one who couldn't fire a smelly-dirty employee.)

Cheers
Phillip
 

projecthog

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The son I refer too was picked on and bullied in high school. He hated school and really had no social life or male and or female friends.
He had no desire to consider higher education.

The first summer after he got his driver's license I informed him that he would not sit at home and vegetate and that he better find a job. He went and got a job at a local fast food establishment.

He finished high school and the only thing he liked in school was Navy R.O.T.C .
He was proud and looked good in the uniform.

He maintained the fast food job for a couple of years after high school graduation. He was still living at home with us but paid us "rent" since he declined to pursue advanced education. Dad was not going to allow a freeloader to exist in his house.

He had saved up some money and was "tired" of that job and sought opportunities in other fields. Nothing panned out and he was shortly broke. In that financial interlude I suspended his rent payments to me. He finally obtained a job in a local super maket in the deli department cooking chickens,etc.

The female that he had asked to the Senior Prom years ago was working in that same store. In short, it was his only date that he had ever really had. After a short courtship he asked for her hand. He was still living at home at that time.

So intead of getting an apartment or going to college he buys a house in anticipation of his new bride moving in and helping with finances.

Weeks before the closing of his house I informed him that I had "saved" all his rent payments to me and was giving those monies back to him as a wedding present and down payment for his house. His soon to be wife then asked if my wife and I would be giving them any additional wedding presents.

Fast forward a year and she left him high,dry,in debt, and broke.
The divorce was a DIY affair with no lawyers (no money on his part) and she and he filled out the required forms and filed and settled. I kept informing him that she was liable for the debts they had accrued during the short marriage but he refused to acknowledge that advice. "Dad!! I know what I'm doing."

So now he will suffer from one year of marriage for the next 8 years to settle the debts incurred during his short year of "bliss".

I should have advised him to rent some service from some of the "local girls" on a pay as you go schedule.

This is difficult for a father to state, but my son is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

That being stated, he is a kind,caring,loving individual and deserves better than what he has received.

I apologize for this rambling discourse but I just seek some advice on what I can do at this time to help him emotionally and financially.

T2,

It is a tough thing to see your kid get the wrong end of the stick even if he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Butterknives are just as important as any other knives, and are needed more often.
He is better off having done the marriage thing and failed, then to have been subjected to immoral and degrading activity, as much as some live by that code.

I would definitely say that, having gone through it, a bankruptcy is not the answer.
ANY way is preferable over a record which will stay with him as long as he lives, 7 year limit or not.
Try to start from the most practical if longest solution, and work towards the worst solution, bankruptcy being the last resort.

I can't add any more then already has been offered, but I think this doesn't have to be as bad as it looks.

If he has to pay for seven years to finally have paid off the burden, it will definitely have tought some valuable lessons, besides him having learned to stick with it and see it done and gone.
Seven years will go by as quick as anything else that goes by at the same time, and will have him be able to look at himself in a better way, knowing he worked at it and then succeeded, if that doesn't build character I don't know what will.
Your financiaql help can reduce the time it will take to pay back his debt.

Myself, I would have urged him to get after his former spouse, and come hell or high water, cause her to be responsible for the stunt she pulled, through legal action. She is responsible just the same as he is being made to be!

I can appreciate your concern and have respect for a Dad who cares.
Your offer to help with what finances you can is a wonderfully Dad-like thing to do, while he works to eliminate the results of his decisionmaking. It sounds tough, but it will make him a better man.
Believe me, 7 years is nothing compared to the agony of a bankruptcy record which will NOT go away, but surely will leave opportunities to be picked on some more.

I hope he or he and you can come to a decision that will not let him slip into bankruptcy.

Kind regards,
Take care,
PH.
 

Tyme2fish

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Thank you everyone for taking the time to read and answer. I do appreciate your thoughts, feedback, and replies.

I think we'll go to the bank and attempt a negotiation in reducing the payoff amount on the CC debt and refinance the car loan at a more reasonable rate.

Thanks again for your thoughts and comments.:D
 

Bondo

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From what I've read, the CC is not the biggest problem.
The first thing he needs to do is lay out, on paper, a detailed budget.
That he can stick to.
Everything needs to go on it, including "fooling around" money.

In one column, income.
The other, expenditures.

Then you can individualize a strategy for dealing with debts systematically.

It may be he needs to sell the car and buy a junker.
He may even need to sell the house, or even take in a roommate.

But the biggest step is to do the budget. Only then can you determine how draconian the steps need to be to solve it.
Wow! PW2 and I agree.:eek:;)

As I mentioned, the real anchor is the car debt. And, PW2 is 100% right that a budget needs to be developed before a plan can be implemented.

There is no sense setting out for a destination if you don't know exactly where you are.

Ayuh,... Make that a Double WOW...

Plywoody is Dead On,.... DJ's last line Too,...

I'll put alittle different angle on what you've said T2F,...

This is the Perfect opportunity for a Big Spring Forward for the Boy,...

He's gotta ditch the Car,+ it's payments,...
Drop back to public transportation, bicycle, rides from Dad, or friends,... Maybe a Junker Car...

Then bring in a Roomate or Tenant,(use leases)... He can offer Cheap living for some other young people,..
He should Easily cut his housing expences to 1/2 or Less,...
'ell,...
He can Probably turn a Profit from the house...
(And it's a Great way to expand his Social life)

The main point that caught my eye in your 1st post is the Amount/ Time on the CC debt,..
If that's the minimum payments,.. That's the Problem to me...
Freeing up the loose change from his other commitments will knock that little bit of debt to Nothing,...
In No Time...

I use CCs as a Tool,....
If you play by the Rules,... Well,.. So far I'm Winnin'.....

Good Luck with the Boy,...;)
 

Mike Robinson

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There is some excellent advice here.

Help your son to help himself. I believe moral support will go much further than monetary support.

As has been stated previously, your son needs to create and follow a budget to prevent this from reoccuring.
 

WizeOne

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Help your son to help himself. I believe moral support will go much further than monetary support.

I fully concur with this T2F. Your son should be doing all this work and you could give advice along the way. I think it would be a big mistake for you to fund any of his bailout. He got/allowed himself to get into this situation and as much as it hurts you to see him there, he will learn nothing if you do it all for him.
 

Tyme2fish

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Please allow me to clarify a few things.

1. My son does not expect me to just give him the money. His quote to me was, "Dad I'd rather pay you than pay the bank." He knows I will not charge him the interest rates the banks charge. I think a 5% return would be fair to both of us.

2. This is more a worry to me than to him. He is now keeping up with all his bills and payments after I sat down with him and went over his income vs outgo

3. He MUST have transportation. As I had stated before, he lives in the boonies with no public transportation.

4. He does know the value of money and how to use a credit card. The wife was the one that ran up all the bills and left him high and dry. Before his marriage he paid off the CC every month in full. That was a lesson I taught him many years ago. "If you can't pay off the card in full then don't charge that item."

5. In going over his budget with me he is fully aware of his situation and he does not spend anything on "fooling around" items. He doesn't smoke and only has a beer when I offer him one from my fridge. He accepts that beer rarely.

6. His home is not set up for a room mate. It's a one bedroom house. He's also worried he'll get a "doper" or jerk for a roomy and I tend to agree with him.

Thank you all again for your very thought out responses.
 

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T2F - One thing missing from these posts is this - You are to be commended for your concern and obvious love for your son. You are obviously a true Father, and your son should feel lucky to be able to call you Dad.
Do what ever you feel will benefit his life the most, without compromising your own. Family is the most important thing there is, and you apparently think so also, or you wouldn't be so wrought over how to help him. As long as you two stick together, things will work out. There is no better investment than one's own children. I wish both of you the best.
 

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Just a few additional thoughts:

1) At our company we check credit and criminal records daily. We used to extend opportunities to people if they had a bankruptcy in the last seven years (bankruptcies older than that rarely showed up) *if* they had a good "story" such as a divorce or serious medical issue. NOW, however, the credit agencies are able to find/disclose bankruptcies well older than seven years and we do not extend opportunities to anyone with a bankruptcy. I feel bad for some of these folks because there's almost always a legitimate story. I think this may loosen several years down the road as we Americans once again get fat and happy, but I don't think a bankruptcy is the way to go. Not to mention I think one can look themselves in the face long-term and feel good about their ability to crawl out of the hole *if* they don't have to declare bankruptcy. My mother worked three jobs and cleaned toilets at companies over the weekend to keep food on our table. The tax man and the landlord and the utility company were always banging on her door for money, but she never declared bankruptcy and I think we're both better for it now.

2) See a NON-PROFIT credit counselor (not the cheesy, for-profit companies that try and make themselves sound like they're a non-profit) and get help.

3) In today's environment I think any/all creditors will be happy to chat w/you about a write-down of some sort. I just read recently that some lenders have already adjusted their balance sheets as if 60% of their subprime loans are going to go bad. Amazing, but it works in your favor.

4) God bless you for caring so much for your son. You're a good man.

Best of luck!
 

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T2F,

Again, you have recieved some awesome advice, and I also agree with DJ and PW! I understand the house is not condusive to a room mate, and I respect the fact that he does not want to get a junkie or jerk living in his house. Those are all good signs and a testiment to the fine son you hand Mrs. T2F have raised.

When doing financial counseling the motto I quote most often is, "If you aim at nothing, you will hit it everytime!" So your son needs to set goals and time lines. Focus on the smaller debts and the highest interest debts. Pay off the smallest ones first so all the money that you were putting towards them can go to the bigger ones.

When negotiating with the bank, remember that although his wife incurred most of the debt, he was a willing party by not stopping her, and not doing anything to share them in the divorce settlement. So he does owe the principle. But try hard to negotiate the interest. This will make a big difference ... especially with the 18% loan and the cc debt. Have a payback plan ready to show the bank at a 5 - 7% interest rate. Let them see that it can be paid back using those rates. Don't threaten them with bankruptcy, but let them know that you are doing everything in your power to KEEP from declaring bankruptcy. Your ultimate goal is to pay them back.

All this helps if there is equity in the car and the home. Without knowing the values of both, and the loan amounts of both, it is hard to give detailed advice. However, focus on one payment and get rid of it, then hit the next one, and keep going. Your son might be surprised how quickly the debt can be retired.
 

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Good time to maybe include the girls parents on some of this deat....as being married it's both of theirs.....the house is his having before marriage but you should nigo on the credit card with her parents as they are both responsible
 

Tyme2fish

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Good time to maybe include the girls parents on some of this deat....as being married it's both of theirs.....the house is his having before marriage but you should nigo on the credit card with her parents as they are both responsible

I believe that ship has sailed never to return to port.

I think (my beliefs only) that his ex-wife had all this stuff planned out before she married him. She even talked him in to "upgrading" her engagement ring for a substantial upgrade in value.

If I knew where she lived (she got married to some other sucker) I'd be tempted to do something very very wrong. My son on the other hand has the attitude of what's done is done and get on with life.
 
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