CUT AND RUN

[PW2]

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PW quote:

(MURTHA) His plan may not be perfect, and it certainly may not be easy, but it certainly is not "cut and run"

You just discribed the plan we already have....only diff. is the political party.

Say what?

I thought we were "staying the course" especially after announcing we were retaining Rumsfeld to lead that effort.

Someone is living in a parrallel universe here, and I don't think it is me.

 

[txswinner]

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You said:

"Let me get this straight here Tex, Just assuming as you say I haven't loaded body bags in combat, then I have no right to defend my Country and CIC?"

Maybe you have, however, for some reason I doubt it as you are way to blind to the misery of the battlefield. But I do not know you so I may be off base addressing you on this.

However, as you said and I apply this to many you have supported on the war "I have no right to defend my country and cic," when W, Cheney, Rummy, Rush and others ever put their lives on the line to defend this country I might accept their Hawk position.

Until they met not the right but the duty to serve then they do not get the honor of warrior. They are all simply CHICKEN HAWKS from the same breed as has always existed. Faux soldiers living what they should have done with lives of others.

 

[crunch]

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Got news for you TX. being in the military is NOT one of the requirements to hold the office of President Of The United States, nor any other high political office.... real clear on that?

 

[oddjob]

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Was there alot of body bags required back in the rear, where you served TXW?.

 

[JustMrWill]

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I was looking for something I saw..but I found this instead...so I figured I would post it..

http://thinkprogress.org/iraq-timeline

The part that I always wonder about is:

MAY 1, 2003: Mission Accomplished

[M]y fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. [Bush, 5/1/03]

Wasn't that over 3 1/2 years ago? Sure feels like major combat is still going on as we lose an average of 3+ soldiers a day.

I, for one, would love to hear Bush's success criteria. "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" indicates that we succeeded, right? The war started out as "get the WMDs", but soon found that there are none...ok, fine. Let's get Sadam...ok..got him. What now? When will it be over?

I am not saying, lets cut and run, but I would like to know what it is that constitutes success so our soldiers can get-er-done and come home (alive and in 1 piece).

-JMW

 

[txswinner]

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Just, This is the whole point of my position. Some say the Dems have no plan and then say the Dems have a plan and it is to "cut and run."

"Cut and run" as it has been labeled by the rushies is a least a plan and if no one (present administration) has a better one than "hold the course," then the choice is clear.

This administration has committed perhaps the worst cluster f.... in modern history and their plan is to leave it to the next administration to try and clean it up.

BRING HOME THE TROOPS

 

[POINTER94]

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This administration has committed perhaps the worst cluster f.... in modern history and their plan is to leave it to the next administration to try and clean it up.

BRING HOME THE TROOPS

Why, why don't we teach history in school??

 

[oddjob]

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This administration has committed perhaps the worst cluster f.... in modern history and their plan is to leave it to the next administration to try and clean it up.

BRING HOME THE TROOPS

Why, why don't we teach history in school??

I know, I was about to tell Mr. Will that hes late for class. And now schools out. See yall Monday...8)

 

[QC]

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I am with JB 100%. He articulates this well.

I will add that those who oppose this noble cause (yes, I said noble, make that NOBLE) and/or have lost heart are:

a) guilty of Monday morning quarterbacking, it's damn easy when you have additional info long after the tough decisions have already been made. Shame on you.

b) willing to sacrifice untold numbers of humans because you have not got the will to stick with a commitment this country made. Reread the descriptions of who we left hanging in Vietnam and the aftermath. That's not fiction you know!

c) believe that this world was better off with a madman terrorizing a country and denying its people freedom.

How can you ignore the facts? You are more guilty of blindly following party line BS than anyone who supports this administration. It is absolutely appalling how simple some of you think these issues are. Ya know we would never have another soldier die for any cause if we simply eliminated our armed forces. Yeah, that'll work.

And Phil, just for you, how do we create people who believe that blowing themselves up in a crowded marketplace is honorable behavior? Because they're frustrated? Because the big 'ol bad US insists that freedom is a value that all should be allowed to pursue? Huh? Because we pump cash into foreign markets by buying things? Because we believe in freedom of worship? How exactly do US policies create people that relish in the killing of innocents, on purpose, with reward and honor for their families, with promises of blessings from their God, with smiles on their faces? How?

 

[mrbscott19]

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Howdy txswinner

4. GWB did not lie to us. That is a lie that I am dang tired of hearing.

JB, I can think of 3 instances where Bush has lied to the cameras and thats just off the top of my head......He said nobody thought the Hurricane would breach the levies.....and he denied knowing Kenneth Lay when he even had a nickname for him and he also claimed he never met Jack Abramoff, whom he had met on at least 2 occasions.

Bush is a proven liar. I have no doubt he would lie to us about war as well.

 

[POINTER94]

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Yet he fails to point them out or provide proof. So clear he failed to provide any supporting evidence. It is the usual, and when words are spoken, heck, thats not what he meant. Kool aid anyone? Long live inuendo and lies. See Karl Rove and the Plame case. A whole lot of left wing zealots got nabbed on that one. Apologies are still needed. Lies spread as fact.

Of course you all remember that. Right mr. scott?

 

[txswinner]

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12 footer, do you always say troll when you have no response. What is the plan and was it before the invasion or something from today?

Troll, troll, nope just waiting to hear the plan you support from this administration.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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I am with JB 100%. He articulates this well.

I will add that those who oppose this noble cause (yes, I said noble, make that NOBLE) and/or have lost heart are:

a) guilty of Monday morning quarterbacking, it's damn easy when you have additional info long after the tough decisions have already been made. Shame on you.

b) willing to sacrifice untold numbers of humans because you have not got the will to stick with a commitment this country made. Reread the descriptions of who we left hanging in Vietnam and the aftermath. That's not fiction you know!

c) believe that this world was better off with a madman terrorizing a country and denying its people freedom.

How can you ignore the facts? You are more guilty of blindly following party line BS than anyone who supports this administration. It is absolutely appalling how simple some of you think these issues are. Ya know we would never have another soldier die for any cause if we simply eliminated our armed forces. Yeah, that'll work.

And Phil, just for you, how do we create people who believe that blowing themselves up in a crowded marketplace is honorable behavior? Because they're frustrated? Because the big 'ol bad US insists that freedom is a value that all should be allowed to pursue? Huh? Because we pump cash into foreign markets by buying things? Because we believe in freedom of worship? How exactly do US policies create people that relish in the killing of innocents, on purpose, with reward and honor for their families, with promises of blessings from their God, with smiles on their faces? How?

Thank you QC..................sometime's we all lose our focus.

 

[ricksrster]

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What was Neville Chamberlain's biggest blunder before WWII? And you people wonder if we should have ever gone to war in Iraq?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Comparing apples & oranges there, Rickster......
Btw, I wonder how long it will take history books to refer to it as "Bush's Blunder"?........JK

 

[crunch]

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If the democrats get their way, I wonder how long it will be before there are terrorist bombings in the US again.

 

[Boomyal]

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....Most dems are for a phased redeployment,

Now if that is not a typical repackaging of a concept, there never was one. What PW really means to say is that if the Dems gain power, the will simply CUT AND RUN. A Rose by any other name is still a Rose.

That phrase is kind of like their PRO ABORTION stance being repackaged as PRO CHOICE.

 

[Boomyal]

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oops!

 

[Boomyal]

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If the democrats get their way, I wonder how long it will be before there are terrorist bombings in the US again.

Well cbc, if you can take them at their word, it wouldn't be too long.

Don't forget, Bush is not doing enoug to protect us and the little he is doing is taking away our freedom. Soooooo, the Dems would unwind all the snooping that that GW has been doing, check out a few more grannies at the airport and consider it good to go.

oh, and did I mention, they will raise taxes across the board. It's just what they do. In fact, IMHO, it's the only thing they are good at. (well except for repackaging concepts)

 

[waterinthefuel]

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Dems quickly forget that their moms were pro-life.

Sure, Iraq was better off with Saddam. They weren't getting killed in car bombs, they were getting killed in Saddams torture chambers.

Women weren't allowed to teach, now they are. We all know that's not good.

People are allowed to gather freely and protest their government. We all know how many pieces they would have been cut into by Saddams cronies had they done that under his regime.

I agree, lets put the man that gassed 5000 of his own people to death back in power.

I talked to a sergeant in the military, he said Bush had no real plan for Iraq. That's true. But he still did a noble thing. He just didn't go about it very well. What he did: great, how he did it: not so great.