Damned Mosquito's !!!

HAV2FISH

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Avon Skin so soft works well also.
 

Jhoppy

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I have two suggestions for you 1. Taking vitamin B1 for a couple of weeks before your outing will lesson your attractiveness to the mosquitoes. 2. Are you sure it is the deet that bothers you skin or one of the other chemicals that come in bug spray, you can buy 100% deet, a quick Google search will fine you some, and with that stuff it will only take a few drops on some none sensitive skin or clothing to repeal those vermin.

Hoppy
 

xg393

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Just exchanged a couple of emails with Canada Bob, he's gonna send me a freebie of what he makes. Looks like he knows his stuff about mozzies, just read is write up in the other thread I'll give it a try nothing to lose as I've tried just about everything else. It is the DEET that bothers me the higher the concentration of DEET the more it feels like my skin is burning after speaking to my MD about it he says that I shouldn't be usng it at all, that and I'd like to find something less toxic if its out there. I'm no tree hugger but if something is natural and it works then that's what I'd use, you need to be a chemist to understand what's in products, some of the labels look scary to me. I'll let you know how I get on with CB's bug spray.

Matt.
 

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Guess I throw my 2 cents in here. I've tried the B1, garlic pills, skin so soft ect. They all will lesson the attraction if the bugs aren't to bad. Once they get bad 100% deet is all that will work and that is supposed to be safe for humans. They do not sell 100% in aresol cans to my knowledge. Only in the pump spray bottle and Sawyers is the best I've found with deep woods a close second. To protect your skin apply a thick layer of mosturizer (Burts Bee's hand wax is my suggestion). And then only apply the deet to the clothing, with the clothing off. If you let it dry awhile it helps also. Then wear double shirts. I use a very thin long sleeve undershirt with the deet sprayed on a lightweight fishing shirts. I also wear long boxer briefs. It sounds hot but you get used to it and when the bugs get bad it's the only way I can get out without a bug screen on. I also get a bad rash from deet and this is the method I use.
 

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Like near everything else it's a judgment call, what some of us feel comfortable with others won't touch with a flag pole, but the more we know the better our call should be.

Here's a few comments that I consider are worth consideration.

in general, the higher the concentration, the longer the protection and the greater the risk. The American Mosquito Control Association says repellents should be used sparingly and that concentrations of more than 30 percent DEET should be avoided.

An analysis of 34 insect repellents by bug-spray.com found 13 with DEET, ranging in strength from 7 percent (Cutter All Family) to 100 percent (Sawyer Maxi DEET and 10-Hour Insect Repellent).

About 48 percent of DEET is absorbed through the skin within six hours, according to the coalition against pesticide misuse.

Studies of U.S. Army soldiers, lumber workers and Everglades National Park employees, who were exposed over time to DEET solutions of up to 75 percent, showed various skin and mucous-membrane ailments.

"It's not an ideal, perfectly safe drug," said Dr. Marcel Casavant, medical director of the Central Ohio Poison Center headquartered at Children's Hospital.

"There are definitely side effects," he said.

Neurological damage, including rare seizures, have been reported, but those are mostly "because the material hasn't been applied properly, hasn't been washed off or there was re-dosing too soon," Casavant said.

He warned against prolonged use and "multiple, repeated" doses.



Further & Betters on the links below...

http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Safety-Concerns-With-Deet/779949

http://mrgreenbiz.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/deet-finally-exposed-as-neurotoxic/

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/169/3/209

The bottom line for me is, if I was in a country where Malaria was prevalent, or in a State where West Nile Virus was a danger then if there was nothing else I would use DEET, but I wouldn't be forgetting to shower it off after use, how many folks remember to do that !
 

gonefishie

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Bob,
Thru your experiment and research, how effective is stuff like eucalyptus and citrus on warding off the skeeters?
 

H20Rat

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And i thought ND/MN mosquitoes were official state birds, sounds like some made it further south! We have tons of very flat land with many, many standing ponds. Mosquitoes get so bad that its a yearly event when towns start hiring the military to do strafing runs over the entire town dropping Malathion with huge cargo planes. (i'm serious!) And yep, west nile is a fairly serious risk.

Anyway, I've tried literally EVERYTHING under the sun to keep these bloodsuckers at bay. avon stuff, dryer sheets, citranella, none of that matters. Wearing long clothes makes zero difference, they will bite right through denim without slowing down, cotton shirts are like the frosting on a cake. The ONLY thing that works is deet. 35% stuff for the somewhat bad days, 100% deepwoods off for when small children are being carried off. I had a fire going in the firepit last night, had 35% on and was still getting bit on my back (through a shirt). Decided it wasn't worth it and went in.
 

canada_bob

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Bob,
Thru your experiment and research, how effective is stuff like eucalyptus and citrus on warding off the skeeters?

Good question, citrus, forget it, mosquito's tend to like sweet smelling things, the reason being that's what they live off {nectar}. The only reason they need blood is for the female to sustain the eggs before she lays them.

As for eucalyptus, yer on the right track, I can't say too much as the stuff that I formulated XL5 is in the process of being Patented, but...

It's called XL5 for a specific reason, the 5 refers to the 5 continents where we have tested the product, there's a different "blend" for each continent, the reason being the mosquito's in each place tend to be a different species, each one developing over the last few hundred million years {they were around when the Dinosaurs roamed the planet}, so.

Like us {ex pat} Brits who are "meat & potato" men, the French being "cheese & onion" men, the Chinese being "rice and chicken" and so on they {the mosquito's} have developed likes and dislikes.

Let me put it this way, why would a Canadian mosquito not like eucalyptus ?
when she's never ever come across it ? means nothing to it at all, not one way or the other, but...

A mosquito {species} born and bred in Australia does have a genetic aversion to eucalyptus, I don't know why that's just how it is. We all have likes and dislikes, so do they...

As it turns out, no matter where a mosquito lives there will be some plants that they don't like, and some they simply can't stand the smell of, the secret is finding out what they don't like, and that aint easy, have you any idea what it's like trying to do a mind meld with a mosquito ;)

But, some of the work/knowledge has already been done, trouble is we have almost lost that barefoot/generational wisdom, but here's typically how these thing came to light...

There were just as many mosquito's hanging about in the Middle East 3-5,000
years ago, and they were as much a nuisance to folks then as now, but...

Legend has it that, when men were looking after their flocks of sheep or goats they noticed that when they sat under the shade of a particular tree the mosquito's didn't bother them {as much}, so that's where they sat.

The problem was when they went home they would get bitten all night long, not the type of bit that you might enjoy when you're in bed either.

So, like the Native Indians who noticed sap coming out of maple trees, the guys figured it would be easier to carry the sap home rather than the tree.

The tree in this case wasn't the eucalyptus tree, it was the Boswellia tree, the sap is/was olibanum, known to us as Frankincense {starting to fall into place now} ?

I guess we have all heard of Frankincense, but few if any of us have any idea why it was thought so highly of, or what uses it was put to. We are now rediscovering what it was used for, one of the uses was to keep mosquito's at bay.

Wasn't quite as simple as that though, the sap did work when you took it home, but obviously it wasn't as pungent as sitting under a grove of Boswellia trees. so...

Some smart lad discovered {probably by serendipity} that if you burn the sap it really does stink, the smell was bad enough {to the mosquito's} that they wouldn't fly into the houses where folks lived, remember they didn't have glass windows, or mosquito screens, or even doors that closed all that well, but a smoldering nugget of Frankincense did the trick.

So if you live or work, or visit the Middle East you need to have XL5 v3, the one with Frankincense in it, that will do the best job for you.

Mind you, you don't need to be wandering around waving a a stick of burning incense around, so what I do is dissolve the Frankincense into a carrier oil {in my case soybean oil}, then when you "wear" it {XLT comes as a roll on} when it's on your skin the heat from your body is sufficient to drive off the smell of the Frankinsense, so the hotter it is, the more rotten you smell, to a mosquito, in the Middle East that is ;)

I have a different formulation {5 of them} for each specific region of the world, each one of them has been tested against DEET @ 30% and shown from these scientifically controlled tests that XL5 is "equal to, of not better than DEET @ 30%".

Bare in mind though that NOTHING will dissuade every mosquito, not even 100% DEET {if you are brave enough to wear it}.

DEET @ 30% has proven to deter 95% of mosquito's for around 3 hours.

Other than XL5 nothing has yet been formulated to come even close to that, most things {like Skin so Soft et-al} have a deterrence rating {rated by the FDA} of around 15-20% and that's measured in minutes, not in hours, so essentially nothing comes close to the effectiveness of DEET, until the new kid came on the block :)

In a nut shell that's the bones of it, much as I can say without giving too much away :rolleyes:

I've just got back from the UPS depot, so, Dianne in Manitoba, Art in PA, Rod in WI and Matt in FL, "your stuff is on it's way"...
 

canada_bob

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had a fire going in the firepit last night, had 35% on and was still getting bit on my back (through a shirt). Decided it wasn't worth it and went in.

Sounds like you have it bad down there, in fact that sounds hellish.If you want to try XL5 just drop me a PM, I have a bit left that I could ship out to you.
 

xg393

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Hey CB, thanks for the UPS tracker notice, hey man what do I owe you for that? I'll take a tester of your stuff for free but let me drop you a few bucks towards the shipping. I'll let you know when it arrives and if it works for me. Thanks.

Matt.
 

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Hey CB, thanks for the UPS tracker notice, hey man what do I owe you for that? I'll take a tester of your stuff for free but let me drop you a few bucks towards the shipping. I'll let you know when it arrives and if it works for me. Thanks. Matt.

No problem Matt, it's on me, you can buy me a pint of Guinness if I get down your way, I do from time to time as I work with a company in Boca, so I'm down there to see them a couple of times a year. But the most important thing for me is your feedback, not the money. By the way, XL5 isn't a spray, it's a roll on, the reason for that is, with a spray you lose 30% at least to the environment around you, with a roll on there's no waste at all, and it only goes where you intend it to go, not in your lungs or your eyes. When you use the roll on massage it in and then when you've done that waipe your hands into your hair, that will dissuade the mosquito's from biting you on your scalp.
 

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get several pet dragonflies!was getting assulted by rowdy skitters on a lake back when, then the calvery showed up !yup ,as soon as the dragonflies made an apperance the skitters high tailed it for parts unknown.i will never shoo another dragonfly away ever again!or i could rent out my buddy who seems to attract the buggers much to the relief of all around him as they seem to love his blood much more than anybody elses!
 

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I like to fish in Northern Quebec and Ontario. Them buggars are big.
The locals turned me on to Watkins Insect Repellent Lotion. I hate bug repellant, usually. It's sticky, it smells, makes me itch, and just gross. This stuff is like hand lotion. I don't know I got it on, and it works really well. Not one bite in the last 3 seasons. It's got 28% deet but doesn't bother me.
 

canada_bob

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Hello Jeepman... another from The Great White North hey !!!

If you want to try the XL5 drop me a PM and I'll ship some to you, free of charge, UPS don't charge all that much for a Domestic shipment, it's when stuff crosses the border that they ramp it up, so if you want a couple of samples just say. What are you catching up there ? Musky ?

By the way, that Watkins repellent is 28.5% DEET, like everyone else they say it's "safe" for children to use. Ever wonder why near all the DEET products are now 28.5% DEET ? seems an odd number to me, but the reason is the FDA et-al have declared that DEET at 30% isn't safe for anyone under 12 years of age, so miraculously all the stuff that used to be in at 30% is now in at 28.5%.

The problem is, if you use too much of this 28.5% stuff or reapply too soon you'll be well over the "odds" and you might be courting a problem way bigger than the mosquito's.
 

xg393

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Hey CB the UPS parcel arrived today thanks for that man and for the 2 roll on things I wasn't expecting it to be a roll on. I like the Canada Bob label it looks pretty slick. Haven't had chance to try it out yet just rolled a bit on my arm, it smells OK not unpleasant or anything. I'll be out fishing and camping this week end with the kids so it'll get a work out, thanks again for the 2 freebies.

Matt.
 

freelancer

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I said it once and I'll say it again...SPIDERS ARE OUR FRIENDS!
 

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Citronella granuals?

Citronella granuals?

Not trying to steal the thread but several years ago I used a product at a friends picnic,mosquitoes and biting flies! I seem to remember it was ground corn cob w citronella in a tall cardboard can.as I shook it over the yard and landescaped patio I could see bugs of all kinds jump or fly out of the area and the biting bugs stayed gone for hrs.it did have a strong lemoney smell, but not unpleasant. the store he got it from no longer has it.I have tried to find it and cannot.does anyone know who makes or sells it?If you find some try it, it amazed me and the boat won't smell like fish!.I would use it on my boat,camping and and around the house if I could find it.thanks,
 

xg393

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Hey CB I used your stuff for the first time last night doing some yard work until around 8pm then sat back on the deck with a beer. The roll on works well easy to apply just smoothed it out around my neck and face I like it better than bug spray don't like to be breathing that stuff in or getting it in my eyes. The bugs were around me but they didn't bite came pretty close though watched a couple of them land on my arm but then after a few seconds they just jumped off again thats a first. I'm out with the boat over the week end all week end camping overnight so that will be a stiffer test but so far so good.

Matt.
 
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