Democrates in violation of Logan Act

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

What does Iran have to do with this?

 

[Bondo]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

IF they did in fact violate this Logan act, then they should face the appropriate punishment.

Well then the Justice Dept had Better get an Investigation going,....... Right Now........

But then the Liberals will just say it's Politically driven,........

Just in My middle of the road, naive little mind I see this as a Serious Violation of Common Sense.............
But then again,............
Liberals have Never been known to have much Common Sense............

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

They must have some wonderful "top chef" discussions as Muttonhead is convinced we need more dialoge.


I feel quite confident in saying this was a conversation worth having and that the (Bush) administration ought to pursue it," Kerry said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press from Jerusalem, where he traveled after meeting with Assad in Syria. "I feel very strongly about that. ... It's worth following up on a number of avenues."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...ts_syrias_assad_urges_us_talks_with_damascus/

 

[JasonJ]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

"with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

Thats my whole point. No where in any of this has anyone been able to tell us what was the purpose of these trips were. Yes, I concede that it is unlikely that they went there to swap sisters, but we don't know for sure. Thats all I want to know, and in a court of law, they would kind of want to know that too. Just because they are, *GASP*, liberals doesn't mean they are there trying to further their bid towards Total World Domination through the use of welfare and celebrities.

I just want to know all the facts before I fire up the ol' 13 knot rope of suffering....

 

[ricksrster]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Kerry went to Paris while he was still a Navy officer in the Reserves to talk to the North Vietnamese. That was a violation of law also. Nothing ever came of it. Kerry has a history of trying to undermine foreign policy.

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Kerry, D-Mass., and Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., both prospective 2008 presidential candidates, met with Assad for about two hours as part of a Mideast trip. Kerry described the meeting as “a candid and thorough discussion.”

Relations between the United States and Syria have been strained for several years. President Bush has accused Syria of fueling unrest in Iraq and Lebanon.

The visit by Kerry and Dodd to Syria came on the heels of a similar one by Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, who also met with Assad. The White House has criticized trips by U.S. lawmakers to Syria as “inappropriate” because they provide a public relations boost for Damascus.

“We discourage the travel of members of Congress to Syria because we believe it undermines the cause of democracy in the region and particularly the Siniora government,” White House spokesman Blair Jones said in a statement Wednesday night.

Kerry said he told Assad the new Democratic-controlled Congress has serious concerns about issues such as the flow of “money, weapons and terrorists” through Syria into Iraq and Lebanon.

Kerry has criticized the Bush administration for refusing to engage with Syria and Iran, a move that was recommended by the recently released Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan panel.

The Bush administration has accused Syria of aiding terrorism. The White House has also criticized Syria of helping the Iraqi insurgency by allowing insurgents to cross the border into neighboring Iraq. Syria has denied the charge.

“We explored the whys and wherefores of a number of the choices he’s been making,” said Kerry of the Assad meeting.

http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=173046

WASHINGTON (AP) -- In a direct affront to the Bush administration, a Democratic senator spent an hour Wednesday with Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad in Damascus, asking him to do more to stabilize Iraq.

Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, a member of the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, met with Al-Assad after the State Department said that it disapproved of his trip.

The United States has limited diplomatic ties with Syria because of its support of Hezbollah and Hamas, which the U.S. deems terrorist organizations, and President Bush has expressed reluctance to seek help from Damascus on Iraq until the Syrians curb that support and reduce their influence in Lebanon.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/13/nelson.syria.ap/index.html

There you go Jason, by their own press they are guilty, it's cut and dried, there can be no doubt, no argument, no defense.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

FWIW, are you married JasonJ? If you are you know that when you wife doesn't talk to you she is telling you tons.. :%

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Thank you for the link, Pointer....
I'm not sure of the legal ramifications.....
I'm sure W would lock him up if'n he could.......
Keeping open dialogue sounds like a good idea to me though....
Methinks George is a little too stubborn & hard-headed for anyone's good at times......JK

 

[Bondo]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Ayuh,........

It Looks like the Liberal Press is suppling Plenty of Evidence to support a Quick,+ Easy Conviction........

 

[JasonJ]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

"FWIW, are you married JasonJ? If you are you know that when you wife doesn't talk to you she is telling you tons.. "

Ahhhh, I dream of a time when my wife doesn't talk all the time...

Thanks Custom. That indeed makes them look like hammered arseholes, not that it takes a lot. I can never emphasize it enough, it seems like the dems are their own worst enemy sometimes....

 

[jtexas]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

IF they did in fact violate this Logan act, then they should face the appropriate punishment.

Well then the Justice Dept had Better get an Investigation going,....... Right Now........

But then the Liberals will just say it's Politically driven,........

Is that why the DOJ isn't investigating? Cause they're afraid of what "the Liberals" will say?



"§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States..."

That's as far as anybody needs to read right there. Everybody knows they did it; whose authority did they need?

 

[POINTER94]

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Quote JasonJ
"Ahhhh, I dream of a time when my wife doesn't talk all the time..."

LMAO 8)

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Haut, the fact W doesn't do anything is a constant reminder to me of what a disappointment he has been.

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

whose authority did they need?

The President of The United States. He, and he alone is in charge of US Foreign Policy.... It's in The Constitution.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

CBC,

I threw in the separation of powers earlier, but I guess that went over some people's head. Kind of funny as I have read so many "expert" opinions of what the Presidential powers are in the past few years, and yet nobody wanted to tackle this one... :|

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

and yet nobody wanted to tackle this one...

Of course not, the case is so cut and dried we won't hear a word from the Liberals about this again.... although that won't stop them from ranting about Republicans running rough shod over the Constitution.

 

[jtexas]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

whose authority did they need?

The President of The United States. He, and he alone is in charge of US Foreign Policy.... It's in The Constitution.

hmmm. And yet, they haven't been charged. Maybe the President isn't as familiar with the intracacies of the law as we here on the iboats legal staff. Have you contacted him about this oversight?

 

[WillyBWright]

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Lest I remind you Righties of historical fact, it seems I recall something about Ronnie Raygun and George Senior and some sort of arms deal in exchange for prisoners. Hey, somebody did menton Iran after all. So let's dig him up and hang him too, eh? IHMO, that was High Treason, pure and simple! Screw the Logan Act if you're a Republican and it doesn't serve your purposes. But post it High and Large for the world to see if the alleged transgressor is from the Left. You guys are so damned hypocritical I could puke sometimes. Oh yeah, I forgot. "Plausable Deniability." That's a Republican weasel if I ever heard one. At least Nelson and Kerry aren't hiding behind their cronies.

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Lest I remind you Righties of historical fact, it seems I recall something about Ronnie Raygun and some sort of arms deal in exchange for prisoners. Hey, somebody did menton Iran after all. So let's dig him up and hang him too, eh? IHMO, that was High Treason, pure and simple! Screw the Logan Act if you're a Republican and it doesn't serve your purposes. But post it High and Large for the world to see if the transgressor is from the left. You guys are so damned hypocritical I could puke sometimes.

So puke. What does Reagan have to do with The Logan Act? What Republicans have violated it? What the 'ell are you talking about?

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Use your imagination and some common sense. You don't really think it was Ollie North behind it do you? Iran was a clear and obvious enemy by that act of war. Syria, while not being friendly to us, hasn't quite crossed that line so far. Though admittedly they are pushing it.