Democrats Push for Troop Cuts Within Months

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txswinner said:
another intellectual response from the reich.

The people have spoken:

BRING HOME THE TROOPS

Better than your same old Bush is bad cr@p, least mine is funny

KEEP THE TROOPS THERE UNTIL THE JOB IS DONE
 

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Please folks, this is the NYTimes, why would anyone believe it? I am sure this is more of a trial balloon for their comrads in the revolution. Meaningless. Expect the old "I voted for it before I voted against it" frequently in the next few years.

And should this come to fruition, it will just be tens perhaps hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqi dead. They don't vote here, (yet?). The dems have won congress, and they are flexing their new found authority. Authority won. They didn't take the power, they were given it because a lack of a consistant message, and a weak or complete lack of adherance to the conservative principals that won them the congress over 10 years ago.

We need to revel in cowardise for the next couple of years. Socialist pricipals of redistribution of wealth should be front and center, loathing of the military, resentment of success, a whole bunch of new rights created out of thin air, non funding of essential initiatives like the boarder wall and boarder security, payback to the unions, usurping of our rights by foreign powers, and a new tune to come out of the MSM. Missing their mandate of action has caused the Republicans their positions as it should have. The new tone of the next few years should prove interesting.

The best tactic is to give the Liberals their agenda. Their morally bankrupt, weak knee'd, class warfare, anti american policies will pay dividens in the future.
 

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txswinner said:
The people have spoken:

BRING HOME THE TROOPS

And what ballot was that remark on? Bet you drift away like the wind. Or blame President for something else without answering the question. Typical.
 

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custombycrunch said:
PW2 said:
custombycrunch said:
Add 2000 tanks, 1000 attack choppers, and 3000 fighter/bomber aircraft and it will be over in weeks.

Of course TX would have to change his Depends hourly.


I have to admit I am curious. Just who exactly do we attack with that increased armament you propose?

The Sunnis? The Shiias? The Kurds?

I could be convinced if I thought there was an identified target to attack.

If you say Alqaida is the target, that's fine, and I agree, but with helicopters and such we don't need 140 k troops in harm's way to do that.

And M&R the fact we don't hear about OBL & Co is precisely the point. They *are* the people that attacked us on 9/11. They are still there.


Anything that moves and is armed.... if a bullet comes from a neighborhood?.... flatten the neighborhood. If an rpg comes from a town?.. flatten the town.

Just start in the South and head North, the targets will present themselves. The goal would be to disarm the population. Sure, there would be thousands of collateral casualties, but if we pull out, there will be a blood bath like you can't believe..... millions, not thousands, and we'll have an oil rich terrorist country to deal with after.

I love it! Create a bloodbath by our hand in an attempt to avoid the bloodbath by someone else's hand. What's the matter, you fear missing out on the thrill of the kill?

That's sure to win the hearts and minds in the regions
 

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PW,

You just condone the blood bath that will occur by pulling out our troops? What is the difference?
 

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txswinner said:
And no to the remark "troops died for nothing." They died for W, Cheney and Rummy's lies and stupidity.

The people have spoken:

BRING HOME THE TROOPS

Well I guess as a hard headed lib you must be reminded yet AGAIN exactly who's "lies" the troops were dying for.

Here are some nice quotes for all you democrats who say, "Bush lied, kids died."


"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Former Vice President Al Gore, 2002

"I share this administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." - Richard Gephardt, September 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." - Senator Edward Kennedy, September 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Fomrer Vice President Al Gore, September 2002 br> "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Queda members, though there is apparently no evidence in his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." Senator Hillary Clinton, October 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadlt arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senator John Kerry, October 2003
 

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Re: Democrats Push for Troop Cuts Within Months

self edit:
not worth my time
 

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Now hear this!

As a former resident of the Middle East knowing a little about their way of thinking, I believe if we were to march into the area on a serious basis, there would be no "blood bath" involving the populace. For the most part, those fighting us are cowards. There would be no RPG fire because they'd know there would be some serious retaliation and they would be quickly killed.

Consequently, they would simply go to ground relying on anonymous cowardly methods of attack (like IEDs).
While they are cowards, they are not stupid.

Comments and contrary opinions are solicited from only those that have resided in the Middle East for 5 or more years.
 

Haut Medoc

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Well we are killing "insurgents" every day....
How much more 'serious' can 'retaliation'get....
I would imagine they are probably doing a little more than lining up to be shot......
This is guerrilla wafare, its all they have ......
BTW, working on some oilfields in Kuwait does not make you a professor of sociology......JK
 

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PW2 said:
That is not BS.

If you search ther archives, pre war (I went under the moniker plywoody then) you will see, before we ever went in, I said:

This war will result in a relatively easy victory, followed by the peace from hell.

This will likely result in chaos, and an unwinnable situation.

And I was roundly and almost universally ridiculed for that opinion on this board.

Those that are honest no longer ridicule. Those that are still in a state of denial will continue to ridicule until the casualty count gets too high for them to have any credibility, or all the generals say en masse, " No More!"

We had a very short window at the start where we had a chance at a good outcome. We missed that chance.

It over!

Post the link PW!...search and do your own laundry...were still waiting on you to post three ( I dont even remember what) lies from Rush Limbaugh. What was it he(PW) was gonna inlighten us about but didnt in reference to Rush?...anyone?

Happy to see you defensive and angry...lol
....easy victory or unwinnable.....which was is? were you for it before you were against it?....
 

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POINTER94 said:
PW,

You just condone the blood bath that will occur by pulling out our troops? What is the difference?


The bloodbath will be the result of a civil war that is inevitable between the Iraqis. We are not going to stop it, only postpone it. If they want to kill each other, I don't think it our job to stop them, even if we could, which we can't.

And OJ, I am not going to waste my time proving something I know to be true. You want to spend the time trying to refute what I say, have at it. And poor Rush admitted he was lying the other day--when he said he was "liberated" that he would no longer "carry the water" for Repubs and defend them when they made stupid decisions.

If that isn't admitting he was lying all along, I don't know what is. In any event Rush is irrelevant anyway.
 

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pw said: I am not going to waste my time proving something I know to be true.

Ditto!8) lol
 

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EricKems said:
txswinner said:
The people have spoken:

BRING HOME THE TROOPS

And what ballot was that remark on? Bet you drift away like the wind. Or blame President for something else without answering the question. Typical.

Knew he would just drift away....
 

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binladen said:
another intellectual response from the reich.

The people have spoken:

BRING HOME THE TROOPS
Binladen speaks the same thing. Hurry!!!! the terrorists are counting on a swift withdrawl!


 

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Darn and all I have heard for the past years is love it or leave it. Now it is your turn.

The people have spoken, incase you missed it the power has swung in Congress.

BRING HOME THE TROOPS OR let a few of the blowhard chickenhawks on this site go over and win this war. Not gonna happen they hide and let others die.
 

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Mikeandronda, sorry it took awhile to respond, that whole work thing and not enough time for Iboats...:)

I said what I said simply because the same agruement is being gone over in the same way, over and over. I see no real dialogue here, just everyone typing their brains out, hoping to out-opinion whoever disagrees. I don't see that anyone ever sees the other persons point of view, or tries to understand why that person sees the situation the way they do.

For example: Send in even more troops, don't withdraw. One of the very basic things I learned in the military is when a battleplan is not working, you devise and implement a new plan. Men and equipment do not come in an unlimited supply, so an intelligent planning process must be implemented. I could be wrong, and I will apologize in advance if I am wrong, but it seems the people who are the most opposed to troop redeployment are those who have not spent time behind a rifle. I do not see any of these people coming on and saying they have convinced their brothers/sisters/sons/daughters to join. My nephew wanted to join the Marines and as opposed as I am to this war, I told him if he chooses to join, at least enter an MOS that has some transferability into the civilian sector after his commitment is up. I did not discourage him from joining, even though I knew I would probably be attending his funeral or watching him learn to use his new fake leg. In the end he chose not to join, and that is fine.

Terrorism cannot be fought using conventional tactics. Terrorism must be fought cell by cell, terrorist by terrorist. The idea that the world will look at us as being weak if we redeploy is not accurate. A redeployment lets the world know that we are getting our military back where it needs to be, and lets the world know we will be ready for the next major action, if such action is needed. Right now, we are wide open, defenseless. I have said it on other posts with no response, and I'll say it again. Just how prepared are we to fight an Iran or a North Korea right now?

More troops and more tanks and more helicopters in Iraq is pointless when you are fighting an enemy that consists of groups of insurgents that can disappear into a sea of similar people. This is not like fighting the Soviet Union where you know that the guys with the red star and the T-72s or BMP2s of the Hind-Ds are the enemy and they are all grouped over the next ridge. These are people dressed like everyone else driving around in Toyotas carrying RPGs or just loaded with explosives and dead-mens switches. You cannot fight that with conventional means, you just can't.

Iraq will fall into civil war, and they will work their mess out whether we are there or not. We distabilized the country by removing Saddam, now we have to own that responsibility. That does not mean we have the ability to fix it. We can't fix everything, despite our best attempts.

Yes, a redeployment might look weak to those on here that don't know of any other way to solve this problem, but for the rest of the world, a redeployment and an attack on terrorism cell by cell, killing them in their kitchens, is what will strike fear into the heart of terrorism. Right now, they have nothing to fear, all they have to do is avoid the M1s, the helicopters, and the Bradleys. Its harder to avoids special ops teams moving under the cover of darkness, and its really hard to avoid a cruise missle that has been deployed on that arse after good intelligence have located that cell out in the middle of nowhere.

Work smarter not harder...
 

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txswinner said:
Darn and all I have heard for the past years is love it or leave it. Now it is your turn.

The people have spoken, incase you missed it the power has swung in Congress.

BRING HOME THE TROOPS OR let a few of the blowhard chickenhawks on this site go over and win this war. Not gonna happen they hide and let others die.

I was in the first Gulf War for your information, think I paid my dues. I wish we would have gone to Bagdad then. No one likes to see our troops get maimed or killed, except maybe the nightly news.

As for the power swing, we will see what actially gets done by the dems. I think not much, but time will tell.
 

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Why reply then? You obviously are not the chicken hawks I speak of. Certainly you must agree that Cheney and W fit the role and so do others on this site.
 

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txswinner said:
Why reply then? You obviously are not the chicken hawks I speak of. Certainly you must agree that Cheney and W fit the role and so do others on this site.

But I don't agree aboout President Bush or the VP. If thet had run off to Canada to get out of the war, then I would agree. They were put into a terrible postion due to 9-11and have done, what I think a very good job.
 

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txswinner said:
Darn and all I have heard for the past years is love it or leave it. Now it is your turn.

The people have spoken, incase you missed it the power has swung in Congress.

BRING HOME THE TROOPS OR let a few of the blowhard chickenhawks on this site go over and win this war. Not gonna happen they hide and let others die.

"Ala Akbar", dood.
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