Well Skinny I'm a Cornservative, and I think you are incorrect here. Maybe it's just me, but most of my Cornservative friends do have very different takes on most things. The Cornservatives I debate do use logic,.................. That's my take but I could be livin' in a bubble.
Your original statement said "that is why they argue amoung themselves so much".
Conservatives seem to be in tremendous agreement with one another.
[colour=red]Then why are You and I, Crunch and 12Footer goin' round n' round, (like I also do with my Cornservatives friends)? Just because I debate my Cornservative friends does not prove anything. That said: you will likely notice what I also notice: that Cornservatives do tend to construct arguments/debates together based on reasonable and plausable intrepretation of actual events, usually not a set of totally inacurate slogans, mind reads, or victimhood feelings, (it's about the children et al).[/colour]
Republicans seem to be in tremendous agreement with one another.
[colour=red]I don't know where you see that Skinny, (are you talking about the fact that only 17 Republicans voted with the Dems to waste time helpin' the enemy, instead of the expected 60 the MSM was hoping for)? Maybe the 7 Republican Senators? I don't see the lockstep dittohead stuff you see. But we are debatin' facts n' events here aren't we?[/colour]
The argueing you speak of is likely between the Conservative and todays Republican. It is more than semantics since there is increasing and obvious differences.
[colour=red]Not all Republicans are Cornservative, but most are. I'm a Cornservative but not a Republican like many I know. I usually vote Republican, as they are closest to my views on most things. You are making my point again Skinny.[/colour]
As far as a perfect war?
Any that was WON in the most BRUTAL and SAVAGE fashion of the time.
[colour=red]Wow Skinny, do you cornsider that an answer? You as a Cornservative, (and many Cornservatives I know), also want much more ferocity in Iraq. This is not WW2 Skinny, (or even Korea or 'Nam). We are the only superpower. The world is very jealous of our sucess and power, and our allies and enemies aren't much different in that sentiment. The situation that we face and the type of enemy we face is VERY DIFFERENT and actually there is no previous large scale conflict ANYTHING like this particular conflict. Nor have we faced a world wide Stateless enemy with individual State backing. Do you think the world would luv us if we just killed every living thing in Iraq? I don't, but: at least we have defined the dissagreement between us.[/colour]
"Stay the course" is meaningless slogan if you're in denial to actual facts.
[colour=red]I don't think I'm in denial of the facts: I just intrepret them differently then you do. Happens a lot when two Cornservatives cross swords, (also sometimes with Libs and or Fuzzy ones debate, but that usually is facts/history vs emotions n' victimhood). I dont know which fool came up with that slogan:
"Stay the course" but that does not explain the tactics and strategy since invading Iraq in any way shap or form: IHMO. [/colour]
The way the war has been run on both fronts has resulted in a beaten enemy regrouping, and allowed to go on the offensive, daily, almost at will.
[colour=red]Skinny: That is because we are in a sovereign country! We were incredibly sucessful in having elections and setting up a republic in Iraq, (undoubtably a world record transformation from brutal dictatorship to democratic republic). As many on this forum have stated: Democracies sometimes elect people who we would not have picked! Was that a mistake? Don't know. Time will tell, and we do know what OBL and the domestic Democrats are working for: Skinny! [/colour]
A couple of years ago we supporters had the benefit of anticipation. Now we have the fact of results. Screw what the media and Dem's have to say.
I've not seen the arguement yet that will change the fact;
I don't like the way the war has been managed.
However, the most recent weeks it seems we've
reacted.
Only/Probably because Rumsfeld got the boot.
[colour=red]Skinny: Peacefull democracies never enjoy war. If you choose to conduct a "PC war", (I do not think we had any choice Skinny, as this is the world today:
VERY PC), the war will last longer because you don't totally crush the opponent n' rebuild from "scratch" where ya got everybody's attention 'cause they are lucky to be still livin'. [/colour]
I'm uncertain as to the point you're trying to make.
[colour=red]Here is
MY POINT Skinny: I think Bush Rumsfield have been
relatively COMPETENT in conducting this war not: incompetant! I will probably draw fire from all sides for this comment. In January 2001 Bush Rumsfield inherited a relatively small overstreached military that had been persuing matters of relatively negligible American interest. They got hit real hard. They crushed Afganistan in a very short time, (remember the howls of Dems and Libs warning about the troubles of the USSR and Britian and that it would be another 'Nam)? I sure do! We also crushed Sadam without Turkey allowing us to use their soil with relative ease. Because we did not totally crush Iraq, we have faced very different circumstances then most concuring armies have faced in history. We have actually done VERY well cornsidering the situation. The enemies we face from within and without are VERY CABABLE, and will do things we would never cornsider. THAT IS THE PROBLEM: Skinny, NOT Bush! [/colour]
[colour=green]You apparently don't think the Democrats diserve ANY BLAME? WOW! When ya vote ta go to WAR everything is going to be difficult and ya need to "press on" untill the deal is done. That takes more then five minutes: Skinny. Get us in then blame us for all the problems, (no credit to the nasty capable enemy), n' turncoat Dems, (I'm not talkin' 'bout TED KENNEDY here, [the Breck Girl comes ta mind]). Respectfully, (and I do mean it) JR[/colour]
12footer, honestly you do very well when you speak from the heart rather than parrot Rush.
