Did I break the rules by calling defunders "traitors"?

[oddjob]

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Oh, I see..... the old Repulican defense.....
I can not recall __ANY DETAILS OF THE ROSE LAW FIRM>>>HILL & BILLo______.
Fill in blank.......

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Struck a nerve, did I?
Well, summations begin today......
So we shall see....
My bet is that he will be sacrificed to let the real perps skate ..........JK

 

[tommays]

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And eye for an eye versus turning the other cheek


Tommays

 

[RubberFrog]

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12 incher, it's really not nice to call the traitors names. It might hurt their feelings. :'(

 

[QC]

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[colour=blue]I don't see a difference.

Religions are born of men, and the rules change with age.

Well I kinda agree with that, although the "born of men" part could be debated . . . I am not disputing that; though many would. IMHO it is impossible to actually know.

Back to my point, was Cortes following the "rules" when he murdered Montezuma? Pick any of JB's conquests and I am sure you can find similar, contradictory, examples. However the Pilgrims at Plymouth introduced the locals to Christianity without enforcing with a sword, and there were many discussions in the History of the US about how or if the natives needed to be "civilised" which was a euphemism for religious conversion . . . With rmpe's current challenge still in play, my point is that men murdering in the name of any religion is not necessarily a definitive indicator of that religion's righteousness. It is certainly not a reason to disregard all religion.

The reason I often bring this debate to the surface is not to discuss religion per se. It is to put a different spin on a similar question that many friends on the "left" often ask. Without religion or something "greater than man", who or what defines (decides) right and wrong?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Man himself does.....
That said......
"Smite the Saracens!"......

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Quote Omer

The left's claims about Bush's motives are just speculation without ANY proof that I tend to label: mind readin'. Bush has not cornfessed and there is no hard evidence of the lefties claims re: his motives, and his statements are belieavable if one listens and cornsiders all the facts.

My concern is not his motives, but his incompetence, invading Iraq while not finishing the job in Afghanistan is the height of incompetent leadership.

OMR's reply:
Tree: You have set up what I characterize a "straw man" argument: Afghanistan is a nearly worthless place. The ONLY American interest here is that this piece of dirt not be used for a terrorist staging ground. We don't want to allow the 'nest' to regrow again, we would also prefer that they slowed down poppie production, but that is it. To make my point: Just imagine we could push a button and eliminate all living things from Afghanistan: WOULD ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE CHANGE? Hint: nada.


Not listening to his own staff, and the at the time his own Secretary Of State, General Colin Powell, who had more experience in military matters than the entire executive branch of this administration is beyond me.

OMR's reply:

Tree, I hate to remind you. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO President Bush listens to on not. YOU CAN'T READ HIS MIND.

I screwed up and erased too much here. I think you challanged me to provide details of Mr. Bush's motives. He has stated them many many times: Tree. #1 Remove Sadam #2 Establish a responsible government with respect for a democratic process and rule of law that will assist us in the War on terror.

I lack your skills Tree, but in every significant speech about Iraq Mr. Bush makes very clear statements as to the motives and objectives.

 

[QC]

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Man himself does.....

Es problemo numero uno Senor. . . Lo siento por mi Francais, Sr. MiDuck.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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(Ya know: George Bush lied: people died)

I think this is probably a good example of my point though OMR. I don't think any of the elected Dems are on record as saying this. Yes, it is chanted like some sort of Hymn by marchers who have little more invested than the event itself, and by some here, but it is not Nancy Pelosi or even Hillary (oh God, can you just imagine that screech?). Anyway, I am on record here of disputing that bit of particularly offensive carp. I also think Kerry is no different than Hanoi Jane, with the exception that he has been voted into office in fair elections.

I can't sit here and claim to our friends on the left that Bush is "our President" and also claim that Hillary and Pelosi and Kerry are not ours too. I want to be taken seriously. As JB has said, the first way to shut off the other side's hearing meters is to name call. I understand that you feel you have hard evidence of traitorous behavior, but I believe they feel just as strongly that Bush has committed "high crimes and misdemeanors" no matter how ridiculous the latter is . . .

QC Ya got me, I see you are a very skilled debator. I think you are right that "elected officials" have not stated exactly the Cindy S. slogan that you singled out. That said: Ted Kenedy very loudly said right after the Iraq war started, (that he did in fact vote against, [and I admire that]), that GEORGE BUSH cherry picked intelligence and lied about true motives which was to inrich his oil buds. Since that time most Dems have adopted that language where there is ZERO evidence to back up the contentions. T***** Durbin compared our troops to Nazis, John PUKE Kerry, stated our troops kicked in doors and terrorized Iraqis (before his "botched' so called joke). QC: there are soooo many examples here that my single brain cell is overloaded. So: you are correct about the slogan you singled out, but the actual number of TOTALLY UNCORROBORATED NEGATIVE statements about Bush, our Country and our troops BY ELECTED DEMOCRATS is staggering. Respectfully JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Man himself does.....
That said......
"Smite the Saracens!"......

Hey there Bro Haut, We should be a li'l PC here. NOT ALL Saracens, (we do luv our fellow iboats members don't we)? :^

 

[Haut Medoc]

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#1 probleme?
No habla espanol....
Mssr. Potage.......

 

[QC]

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Yes, Number 1 problem is man (men) defining "really bad stuff done by really bad people". If it is man, then the question "who decides?" is unanswerable . . . Whatever floats your boat is the only answer. Cannibalism is equal to vegan-ism . . .

 

[Haut Medoc]

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If you go to some of the remote Pacific Islands they will cook a misssionary or two if'n they can get 'em in the pot...
& they are OK with it...
Us civilized western folks don't see it that way.....
It's mind over matter....
If'n ya don't mind...
It don't matter.....
The 'higher power" is belief, nothing more.....
But, true belief can be extremely powerful.......
Oh, & vegans are a pita.......

 

[QC]

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You avoided and made my point. Without something pointing us north, Soylent Green even from live sources is just another food source.

If I take your post literally it is being "civilised" that makes us worthy of deciding right and wrong. Si o no . . . Oh, oh and what's wrong with "belief" as a motivator? As long as there is something that we acknowledge as more powerful, and it defines eating previously alive people as bad, I really don't care what it is. It just can't be Mein Kampf or some other "I decide" new, Haut Medoc manuscript. If it is then I'll simply throw out mine. I think they call that anarchy.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Without something pointing us north, Soylent Green even from live sources is just another food source
Well, yes....
What I am saying is that one's belief in a "higher power" & how that higher power wants us to behave is what is important......
Some religions believed in human sacrafice, (Aztecs for one).....
Some believe in killin' infidels.....(Islam)
What I'm saying is that a "higher power " ain't always good for everyone...
Especially if my higher power don't agree with yours......
If there were one, "true higher power", there wouldn't be a gazillion christian sects, or a bunch of other stuff.....
I think that a true "higher power" would want harmony......
With all of the religions preaching peace, why is there so much war?
I'd wager that there are tribes in Africa & SA that never heard of Christ or Allah.....
What's their "higher power"....
Their "higher power" might say that strangers are tasty.....
You make the rules up as ya go, IMHO.......JK

 

[waterinthefuel]

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And, for the unknowing, I have found no place in the Bible preaching the killing of and/or the virtues of killing non-believers. I have in the Quoran.

I beg to disagree.
A cursory read of the book of Joshua,which is an old testament book of the bible, should serve as an eye opener.

If you had read the bible so well you'd know that God, before the birth of Christ (the old testament) said that he would take care of non-believers. It was NOT up to us.

Hence one of the 10 commandments, thou shall not kill.

 

[QC]

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Hence one of the 10 commandments, thou shall not kill.

The actual translation is thou shall not murder, so sometimes we do get to straighten it out . . . I heard this once and have since confirmed, it helps with the whole "would you kill a sniper taking shots at children" discussion.

 

[technostingray]

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Hence one of the 10 commandments, thou shall not kill.

The actual translation is thou shall not murder, so sometimes we do get to straighten it out . . . I heard this once and have since confirmed, it helps with the whole "would you kill a sniper taking shots at children" discussion.

Wait, now were these Saducee or Pharisee children. :^

 

[xtraham]

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[technostingray]

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Pass the Pop + Corn.... Tom.