Did I break the rules by calling defunders "traitors"?

[Kenneth Brown]

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Gettin' in kinda late here but I need to get your address 12, you got a cold beer coming from me.

 

[QC]

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That's my other problem: computer illiteracy. If I could figure out how to use a word processer I could use the spell check. JR

I once posted about using the Google toolbar for their spell checker. Some flamed me for downloading Spyware . Anyway, I use the free spell checker that comes with the Google toolbar download on almost every post. It has been VERY helpful as I simply make a lot of mistakes because I type like carp . . .

BTW, I think Jason and JB have this correct 12er. I think that most in Congress believe they are doing the right thing most of the time . . . Many of them are confused and particularly in this case, but they are not usually traitors, evil, or any other thing other than simply wrong.

 

[POINTER94]

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QC, if they were pure of heart they would have made this a binding resolution, but in reality they want to use it as a weapon in the upcoming 08 elections. Political hardball, with our troops in the balance. Typical, but not really having the troops, their lives or their families at heart.

 

[Plainsman]

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I have to disagree QC. I believe that the democrats will do anything, even put the troops at risk, to make President Bush fail and to regain the Whitehouse. Some will stop at nothing I'm afraid.

 

[steve201]

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12 FTR....I haven't been around this forum much...and like you on other forums..I too have voiced my opinions about this sorry excuse for a congress ....and alot of what you say I can agree with....it's always best to explain your opinion...and as long as no one is attacked...feel free to voice ones opinion...it's what makes america great....
I salute your honesty for I too feel the same way.....OORAAHHH!!!.....

 

[QC]

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I guess I feel that it is similar to some on the left claiming that Bush went to Iraq just to line his friends in the oil biz pockets. If the people in our elected offices are that twisted then we really should march on Washington and retake our Gov't. Maybe I am naive, but I just don't see them as that self serving. I don't trust Hillary any farther than I could throw her rather large arse, but she has proven that she is not worthy of trust. I don't think I can say that about all of the Democrats, just as I can't say that I trust all of the Republicans despite my faith that they do have it "more" right.

Now maybe it can be argued that the public is confused, and has been by a lot of one sided reporting etc. With that said, I believe the left, or Dems, or whatever, really believe the American people want less of Iraq not more, so they believe they are doing their constituents bidding.

Just in case somebody has got a sudden case of amnesia, I totally support the war in Iraq for a variety of reasons, and I support the surge, and I still support the Bush Administration. I just don't think the Dems are generally "bad", they are just wrong . . .

 

[Skinnywater]

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By 12'

I called any and all of those who openly undermine America's role in the war on terror "TRAITORS". This is not the first time I called-out the enemy in this open forum. They are. And remain so, IMO.

Just because it is your opinion doesn't make it fact.

IMO, I've read enough of your opinions to conclude you are enough of a "lock-stepper" to be nearly as dangerous to this country as the "defunders" :^

 

[rmmpe]

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Pulling out now to gain the approval of people with a somewhat popular desire to be done with war is tantamount to defeat. Did we learn nothing from 'Nam or Korea? Evidently not.

And, for the unknowing, I have found no place in the Bible preaching the killing of and/or the virtues of killing non-believers. I have in the Quoran.

Opinions are personal in nature whereas facts are facts and history is history. Make no mistake about that.

I believe we should do all in our power as a united Nation to win the war they started. Then and only then can we devise a plan to get "Our" service people back home. There is no "Graceful Withdrawal" at this stage of the game.

To give less than 100% of our support to winning the war is akin to disloyalty to our people and disdain for the all too many lives given to protect us here at home.

If I were a younger man I'd do it again. Despite the nay-sayers and the memory of being spat upon.

 

[Skinnywater]

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I believe we should do all in our power as a united Nation to win the war they started. Then and only then can we devise a plan to get "Our" service people back home. There is no "Graceful Withdrawal" at this stage of the game.

I agree, and had we done that ("we should do all in our power as a united Nation to win the war they started") the Dem's, their vote, the Repub loss, and the entire pickle we're in would not even be an issue.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I guess I feel that it is similar to some on the left claiming that Bush went to Iraq just to line his friends in the oil biz pockets. If the people in our elected offices are that twisted then we really should march on Washington and retake our Gov't. Maybe I am naive, but I just don't see them as that self serving. I don't trust Hillary any farther than I could throw her rather large arse, but she has proven that she is not worthy of trust. I don't think I can say that about all of the Democrats, just as I can't say that I trust all of the Republicans despite my faith that they do have it "more" right.

Now maybe it can be argued that the public is confused, and has been by a lot of one sided reporting etc. With that said, I believe the left, or Dems, or whatever, really believe the American people want less of Iraq not more, so they believe they are doing their constituents bidding.

Just in case somebody has got a sudden case of amnesia, I totally support the war in Iraq for a variety of reasons, and I support the surge, and I still support the Bush Administration. I just don't think the Dems are generally "bad", they are just wrong . . .

Ya know QC, you are a thoughtful poster, and this post of yours is thoughtful as well. Here is how I see it in black n' white. The left's claims about Bush's motives are just speculation without ANY proof that I tend to label: mind readin'. Bush has not cornfessed and there is no hard evidence of the lefties claims re: his motives, and his statements are belieavable if one listens and cornsiders all the facts. ON THE OTHER HAND: Please carefully Cornsider 1967 to 1975. Ya don't have ta read minds or speculate. History is there n' real clear for all to see. John PUKE Kerry did in fact recite false Soviet propaganda and was hansomely rewarded with a long political career that got him real close to the big prize. I could go on n' on with many other examples, but there is a real difference here. These people are not stupid, ('cept ol' Patty Murray 'course), do they vote n' stick to their principles, (I for one admire that trait),n' shift tactics but press on to win against our adversaries? Or: do they vote ta get us in, start shiftin n' bobbin' n' talkin' n' slogans, (Ya know: George Bush lied: people died), like our enemies say real soon, (please compare what all our enemies say n' think how it sounds just like our own Democrats), n' try to undercut the very General the all recently voted for. Please show me another rational explanation for that behavior so the brain cell can forgive 'em for walkin' talkin' n' votin' like an "enemy from within". Respectfully, (and I do mean it) JR

 

[rolmops]

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And, for the unknowing, I have found no place in the Bible preaching the killing of and/or the virtues of killing non-believers. I have in the Quoran.

I beg to disagree.
A cursory read of the book of Joshua,which is an old testament book of the bible, should serve as an eye opener.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Omer

The left's claims about Bush's motives are just speculation without ANY proof that I tend to label: mind readin'. Bush has not cornfessed and there is no hard evidence of the lefties claims re: his motives, and his statements are belieavable if one listens and cornsiders all the facts.

My concern is not his motives, but his incompetence, invading Iraq while not finishing the job in Afghanistan is the height of incompetent leadership. Not listening to his own staff, and the at the time his own Secretary Of State, General Colin Powell, who had more experience in military matters than the entire executive branch of this administration is beyond me.

Omer you stated above that his motives and his statements are believable, if one listens and considers all the facts.

Please enlighten me with his motives, and factual statements, that has you so convinced.

In the mean time I will provide you and anyone with the results of his abandoning Afghanistan and invading Iraq.

February 19, 2007
Al Qaeda Chiefs Are Seen to Regain Power
<<WASHINGTON, Feb. 18 — Senior leaders of Al Qaeda operating from Pakistan have re-established significant control over their once-battered worldwide terror network and over the past year have set up a band of training camps in the tribal regions near the Afghan border, according to American intelligence and counterterrorism officials.>>


<<.The United States has also identified several new Qaeda compounds in North Waziristan, including one that officials said might be training operatives for strikes against targets beyond Afghanistan.>>


<<Officials from several different American intelligence and counterterrorism agencies presented a consistent picture in describing the developments as a major setback to American efforts against Al Qaeda.>>

<< “The chain of command has been re-established,” said one American government official, who said that the Qaeda “leadership command and control is robust.”>>


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/world/asia/19intel.html?pagewanted=print

 

[Plainsman]

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Quote Tree:
"My concern is not his motives, but his incompetence, invading Iraq while not finishing the job in Afghanistan is the height of incompetent leadership."

And what does "finishing" mean? Gettong OBL? Getting one man will not stop alQuida. Yeah it would be symbolic, but wouldn't change much. Is there not a "stable" governmnet there (stable may not be the absolulte correct word)? What more do you want done in Afganastan? NATO is there and so are we. Do you think that we are not trying to get OBL? If he is in Pakistan, what would you have President Bush do? We can't go in there.
So what is your version of "finished"?

 

[QC]

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(Ya know: George Bush lied: people died)

I think this is probably a good example of my point though OMR. I don't think any of the elected Dems are on record as saying this. Yes, it is chanted like some sort of Hymn by marchers who have little more invested than the event itself, and by some here, but it is not Nancy Pelosi or even Hillary (oh God, can you just imagine that screech?). Anyway, I am on record here of disputing that bit of particularly offensive carp. I also think Kerry is no different than Hanoi Jane, with the exception that he has been voted into office in fair elections.

I can't sit here and claim to our friends on the left that Bush is "our President" and also claim that Hillary and Pelosi and Kerry are not ours too. I want to be taken seriously. As JB has said, the first way to shut off the other side's hearing meters is to name call. I understand that you feel you have hard evidence of traitorous behavior, but I believe they feel just as strongly that Bush has committed "high crimes and misdemeanors" no matter how ridiculous the latter is . . .

 

[technostingray]

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...Several entire civilizations have been destroyed in the name of Christianity. Some radical Muslims seek to destroy western civilization in the name of Islam. It isn't the first time....
...

Please clarify "several" and name two.

 

[JB]

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Well, try the Aztec, Apache, Lakota, Navaho, Hawaii, and many others that were required by Christian inspired or written law to abandon their culture and adopt Christianity.

When you destroy a culture you destroy the civilization with it. None of the above named civilizations has recovered to this day. . . they are gone.

 

[technostingray]

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Well, try the Aztec, Apache, Lakota, Navaho, Hawaii, and many others that were required by Christian inspired or written law to abandon their culture and adopt Christianity.

When you destroy a culture you destroy the civilization with it. None of the above named civilizations has recovered to this day. . . they are gone.

Well you certainly demonstrate what a hot button is.
I think the operative word here is complete. I only asked for two and to calrify several. You know as in 15, 400, more than 8. :^

 

[QC]

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Those are still acts of men, and in a different context. Not an act, or an indication of the righteousness, of a specific religion. I feel the same about Islam.

 

[Dunaruna]

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[colour=blue]I don't see a difference.

Religions are born of men, and the rules change with age. I just wish that this war on terror is called for what it is - survival, not religion.

 

[rmmpe]

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Rolmops,
You cannot justify 'disagree' with my statement that I had not found it in the bible. I merely stated I had not found it. Not that it wasn't present.

Regardless, as you pointed out, evidently is it in the Bible. However, is it a basic tenet of Christianity?
It is in Islam.

To paraphrase the passage:
Muslims are directed to go forth and convert non-believers. They are also directed to destroy those not converting "by any form of ambush".

That's tough to argue with and leaves no room for doubt of their motives.