did I suck something up to stall out ????

Aquasport19.6

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I was taking my boat out to give it a test run and i may have taken it a little bit two shallow because it stalled out and now i cannot get even the flywheel to turn over. I am worried its going to be expensize. I did however manage to get the boat turned over for approx 20 seconds and i got some water to **** out which was cleen and free from dirt. I have a 19 ft boat with a 115 Evinrude (2 CYCLE) (1982) THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP ALREADY
 

Dhadley

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

You have several responses to this same question on your other post. Try to stick with one thread so us old guys can keep up.....
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

thanks for the imput, I am new to this service and i will try to keep all of my topics to a minium i just keep running into probles as i get more familiar with the boat. Thanks
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Dont limit the topics, keep 'em coming! But this topic is about a locked up motor. Now we have to figure out if its the powerhead or lower unit. Thats all the same subject. Its just easier for a slow guy like me to follow everyones thoughts in one line. <br /><br />Now, back to the problem -- did you determine if the flywheel turns over freely with all the spark plugs removed?
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Dhadley, no the fly wheel still does not turn over (with the starter, or with the rope pull, not even by hand) it will move at most 3 or 4 teeth from from any give place. The teeth i am talking about are on the fly wheel. I dont know what to do next. I am in the navy and getting ready to deploy i want to have the motor running before i leave for the gulf. i appreaciate all the advice you can give me for now i am stuck looking at the motor and reading some pretty crappy manuals. Thanks again .
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

to add on to the above i did take all of the spark plugs out and they looked like there were in good shape had a little bit of oil/gas on them buy when i went to turn the flywheel nothing came out and when i looked in there there was not really any liquid in there.
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

YOur original post is confusing as you told us it is locked-up then that it turned over for 20 seconds???<br /><br />Will the prop turn with the gearshift in neutral? At this point we are trying to find out if the problem is in the powerhead or in the gearcase. With the lower unit off and the plugs out can you turn the flywheel by hand?
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

so little, Sorry for the mix up. I will start over, and thank you so much for sticking with me. I took my boat out last week and it had a little sputtering in idle when we first pushed off. I gave it some gas and i plained up nicely with no spudering. I then slowed it back down to idle and no problems. I took the boat in the back waters in about 4 foot of water to castnet some bunker shad, that was the first time the boat stalled out. i figured we might have hit bottom or something so i raised the engine and started the boat again. it sounded like it was struggling and then it shut off. I tried to start it back up, and it kept trying to start but the flywheel would only turn about half way. i let the starter rest for about 4 minutes that gave it a couple more trys (no luck) then all of the sudden with my last try it kicked over and 3 seconds later it shut back off. I check everything out and then gave it another shot, but no luck. so we ended up throwing the anchor in and out pulling us closer to the dock until we had her on the trailer. I tried to start it back up when i got to the dock. I hooked up the mickey mouse ears gave turned the water on slightly and let the water run for a few minutes. Then gave it a try, by this time the battery was dead. I was disappointed because i know the engine needed a proper flushing. So i got up early the next day and charged the batteries (2) and brought them back home. I tried to start the boat with the key/choke method.. it seemed that the started was not up to the job so i tried to do it by rope. and got no where. so i tried both at the same time, and it worked and ran nicely for about 20 seconds. i was able to see a solid stream of water come out of the pisser. the water was clear and free of sut/dirt. the engine started to spuder and then quit. i tried a few more times with the method i was doning (the key and rope and the same time) method and on my final atempt the flywheel locked up to where it would not turn anymore. Since then i tried to take the sparkplugs out and turn the fly wheel both by rope/key/and hand. No luck there. i have not taken the lower unit off yet because i am worried that i will get over my head. Well the prop spins in neautral freely. i dont know what the next step is, however i was doing some more reserch on the engine and it is a 1982 Evinrude V4. if i can answer anymore questions please let me know and thank you again for all of the help. Also i mixed the gas up 50:1 like the manual said. thank you guys for all of the help.
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

First - Please do not post the same problem twice:<br /><br /> http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=28;t=036342 <br /><br />We get confused enough as it is.<br /><br />Above you said "i tried to take the sparkplugs out and turn the fly wheel both by rope/key/and hand" - - - My question - - have you tried to turn the flywheel by hand WITH THE PLUGS OUT?? (it is not clear from what you wrote that the plugs were out)<br /><br />There are other suggestions in the other post.<br /><br />Moderator - Can you combine these two Please??
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

So little, I did take the spark plugs out and then i tried to turn the flywheel, and i am a little confuesed on how you want me to combine the problems this is the only post i am using i left the others alone. is that what you ment?
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Experts, i hope i am going about putting this question in. Its on the same topic. Well i am trying to take my lower unit out of the 1982 rude115 and its giving me a little trouble i followed the manual word for word. The part i am havign trouble with is getting the lower unit disconected from the shift lever. (forward, neautral, reverse) once i get that disconected i will see if the problem with the flywheel is in the lower unit or in the power head. any help is much appreciated.
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

The shift rod connection is just below the base of the lower carb. I can access mine (1987) from the port side of the engine using a long extension and universal to my 1/4" drive socket wrench. Some guys will remove the starter for easier access.<br /><br />On the double posts - while you may have left one alone there are still two presented to us. Don't do anything at this point. If one of the moderators see this they may combine them.
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

To all the experts, i just got the lower unit out and still the flywheel does not turn, i tried to turn the flywheel with the spart plugs in and then tried to turn it again with them out,both tries with th lower unit completly out. while the lower unit is out is there anything i should look for? i think the problem may be with the power head any sugestion. PS thank you for being so great in all of the responces. thanks alot
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

puill the heads and see ifvthere is any scoring .
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

puill the heads and see if there is any scoring . even if it was run with the corect mix and didnt run hot it could have ben a lean running condition
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Thanks Papasage, i will try and pull the head tomorrow.
 

Aquasport19.6

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

papasage and any one else who may be able to help me on this one. I just took the heads off of my motor in part of papasages suggestion to look for scoring. i didnt find any scoring infact the cylinders looked very smoot and clean, except or the lower one on the starter motor side. there was a little bit of water at the bottom but it didnt look like a lot. I bought a clymers manual before I even took to boat out, and read threw it today to see what the water might indicated it didnt say anything about it not even in the cleaning and inspection section. i am at a loss of what i need to do any suggestions or plans on my next move. thanks again for all of the help from all of the experts. hope i can help out like you guys do one day.
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Water in cylinder is a sign of bad head gasket. Try sraying all cylinders with WD40 and let it soak. Try to free up rings if they've rusted to cylinder wall. <br /><br />However if you did not replace the plugs after removing them (if very small amount of water is in cylinder) then it very well could me moisture... this depends on how much water is in there.<br /><br />Try the WD40 and spray several times Don't force the flywheel to turn. How do the pistons look???
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Dave, jz thanks for the imput. i am going out right now to spray some WD40 and i will let it sit over night. Hopefully it will lossen up by tommorrow afternoon.
 

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Re: did I suck something up to stall out ????

Well i just sprayed some WD40 inot the cylinders and noticed the pistons looked in good shape, no visable rust on them and seemed like they would not be the cause of the problem, i noticed some corosion on the outsied of the cylinder wall where teh water passes through to cool the heads and on the gasket where there is medal present i noticed some surface rust that seemed to be from the start of this problem i wiped it off with a clean rag and it was gone. i also noticed that when I took the heads back off that there was alot of Black grese on the upper head on the right side it appeared to be grece and i rubbed it with my fingers there was no dirt in it, but all of the other heads were cleaner. Just to clear things up i am talking about the inside of the head cover where the spark plug is. Also i sprayed the wd40 in the cylinders all around and put the motor on an upward tilt is this ok to do with wd40 in the heads.. Well thanks again i will be on the bay in no HOPEFULLY>
 
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