Did Iraq have WMD?

Kalian

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Interesting article about tapes of Saddam here.<br /><br /> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11373537/ <br /><br /><br /> We all know that Saddam was bluffing, and Bush lied so he could kill inocents for oil. Or wanted to start another crusade to appease his racist far right base, or something like that. But if you read this article, it certainly seems like it's possible Iraq did have WMD's. I realize this doesn't prove anything, but it certainly does raise the possibility. Just wanted to post this before it disapears, never to be seen again.
 

NOSLEEP

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If you think Iraq had no WMD before the Invasion<br />you are very naive. <br />I am not referring to you Kalian. <br />But I am referring to anyone that uses the WMD<br />"lack there of" to unjustify and discount the<br />purpose of the Invasion.
 

Kiwi Phil

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The Iraqi Army couldn't have found a push bike with 2 tight tires. Those were my views, before the invasion, and they were based on the info on the news every night.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

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I'm willing to Wager the Everything I Own,.........<br /><br />That SOMEDAY,.......<br /><br />What Was in Iraq,....... Will be Found in Syria.................. ;)
 

20/20

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What gets me is this was suppose to be a war on terrorism but the main terrorist{Ossama} is still on the loose. Little Bushy took care of big Bushys screw ups.
 

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If you believe we went to war because of WMD's, you'll probably believe they had them, regardless of the evidence.<br /><br />If you believe we were going to war with Iraq in any event, then any old reason would do. Who cares whether they had them or not?
 

Ron G

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My 2 cents and im gone from this one.<br /> Saddam gas and killed thousands of kurds.thats a WMV.had cake plutonium.thats enough for me to believe.<br /> By alot of the theroys here if your a driving the bank robbers getaway car your not a bank robber.just putting it in context the way i see it.<br /> Iraq gave money to sucide bombers family.That could be a form of WMD.<br /> At least W is sticking to his guns and not walking away,unlike another president that said they had weapons then blew up a medcine factory for the media hype then 3 or 4 years later said they didnt have weapons,all this makes my head hurt,im out.
 

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So I guess everyone would be sleeping better if a man who said this "We shouldn’t be surprised to see a car bomb with nuclear [material] explode [in] Washington, either germ or chemical" was still in power.<br /><br />It doesnt matter if he did have them or not, he could have easily obtained them and given enough time, implemented his plan.<br /><br />Some guys will never get it will they? :confused: <br /><br />Ken
 

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Having read a little about the latest releases, Saddam's own Generals thought he had them. They were terribly disheartened to learn on the eve of the invasion that they did not have that arsenal to use on us.<br /><br />One of them has written a book in which he claims that there were 50-some top secret flights between Bagdad and Damascus in the weeks preceeding the war. He knew of the flights, but does not know what the cargo was.<br /><br />At any rate, this all does not matter in terms of justifying the war or in changing people's minds. All the descent is aimed at one goal only... getting the Left back in power.
 

gafteci

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Thanks, Ron G. You’re right. Saddam was a horrible person. He gassed and killed thousands or Kurds. Terrible, no doubt, but he hadn’t gassed anyone for about 12-13 years when we went into Iraq.<br />You said he had cake plutonium. I haven’t seen any evidence that he did, just made-up evidence that he was trying to acquire it. <br />If you are driving the getaway car from a bank robbery, you are part of that team! Where is there proof that Saddam was part of OBL’s team. GWB backed down from that awhile ago and so has his administration, with the exception of Richard ‘shoot first, look for the orange vest later’ Cheney. :D :p <br />He gave suicide bombers families $25,000. A lot of money in that area, for sure, but did that cause people to want to go out and blow themselves up?? I very much doubt it. If it was for the money, Saddam (25 million) and Uday and Qusay (45 million total) would have been given up immediately. Saddam giving the money to the families was him taking a jab at us and, mainly, Israel.<br />I really don’t want to bring Clinton into this. The conservatives have been using him for the past six years. Personal responsibility is one of the mantras of the GOP. Oh, but I forgot, so is blaming Bill Clinton.
 

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What a troll! Even though the presentation was poor, the leader was very obvious, you used stink bait and you made lots of noise, you still managed a limit. Not bad. <br /><br />You do need to work on that technique though- poor form, lad. <br /><br />UFM82
 

bootle

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Originally posted by Allah:<br /> :) :)
Ya need to tell them terrorists that the virgins which ya promised them is actually olive oil :p
 

Haut Medoc

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AHHHHH! Give us this day our daily troll.... :) <br />A day with out a troll is like a day without sunshine..... :D <br />KIZ, it is really not too easy to come up with enough nuclear (especially fissile) material...<br />If'n they had it, it would have been used by now, wouldn't you?<br />This is why most of the world is against Iran's efforts.....<br />All refined uranium has a specific signature....<br />As long as its production is monitored, its source will be known as well.....<br />No country in their right mind would expect to get caught holding the bag & not expect retribution....<br />They would be deemed responsible......JK
 

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I really didn't want to get involved in this, but ignorance (root of the word is ignore) drives me crazy.<br /><br />
Originally posted by PW2:<br /> If you believe we went to war because of WMD's, you'll probably believe they had them, regardless of the evidence.
1) Why do you think we went to war?<br /><br />2) I know of no credible source that did NOT believe they had them when that belief mattered do you? BTW, the only time that belief mattered was BEFORE we went in . . . What we found after we got there has no bearing whatsoever on that decision making process. As I often like to point out, there ain't no stinkin' rewind button . . .<br /><br />
Originally posted by PW2:<br /> If you believe we were going to war with Iraq in any event, then any old reason would do. Who cares whether they had them or not?
Is that what you believe? If so, then you believe that our President is willing to sacrifice Americans for what?<br /><br />gafteci,<br /><br />Since you're the new kid, please feel free to answer for PW2. I want to understand your psotions as it appears you want to play a role in these discussions.
 

gafteci

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QC - I'd love to. It will be awhile. I'm at school now so I don't have enough time, except for a quick reply. <br /><br />I'll catch up with this post later today.
 

Skinnywater

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The conservatives have been using him for the past six years. Personal responsibility is one of the mantras of the GOP. Oh, but I forgot, so is blaming Bill Clinton.
If you're interested in learning to be more effective in your arguements, you may want to drop your own style hypocritical mantra. <br />Todays Republican party is hardly a conservative one.
 

cmyers_uk

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We know he HAD them because we sold them to him. Whether he had them between the 1st / 2nd Gulf war is another question. What you can be sure of is that is was not the reason we went to war. If it was then the intelligence was awful in the extreme.
 

PW2

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QC, If you look up the "Project for a New American Century" published in the late 1990's (Yes, it is on the internet, but it is long) and written by Wolfowitz, Cheney, Perle, Rumsfeld, and signed by the rest of the neo-cons usual suspects, They laid out the strategy we should take in Iraq, and why we should take out Saddam by force. Interestingly, they also said it might be a hard sell to the country unless there was a "Pearl Harbor" type event. Along comes 9/11, and we have our Pearl Harbor event, and reason for invading Iraq. It also explains the obsession with connecting Saddam with 9/11.<br /><br />They truly (albeit incredibly naively)believed that Iraq would greet us as liberators, they would embrace freedom and democracy, and the rest of the middle east would not be able to withstand this onslaught of freedom and democracy, and the other totalitariam regimes would have to change their ways under this pressure.<br /><br />WMD's was purely an excuse for war, the "Reason" for the war was documented long before they even got into office, let alone long before 9/11.<br /><br />Everything we have learned since, whether it was Cheney in late 2000 requesting a briefing from Sec of Defense Cohen solely on Iraq, to the downing st memo, to new revelations about the timing of this war, do nothing but reinforce that PNAC treatise.<br /><br />You may think they had a good idea---personally I don't--but Iraq was certainly predictable, and it had nothing to do with 9/11, or WMD's, or anything else other than a grand strategy for reshaping the middle east.
 

Kalian

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Originally posted by UFM82:<br /> What a troll! Even though the presentation was poor, the leader was very obvious, you used stink bait and you made lots of noise, you still managed a limit. Not bad. <br /><br />You do need to work on that technique though- poor form, lad. <br /><br />UFM82
I agree I should have left the sarcasm out, it didn't contribute to the disscusion, but I certainly didn't intend it as a troll. It was an article from the alphabet news, which gives it credibility in the lefts eyes. Had I posted something simialar from Rush or other sources it would have been discredited immediately. <br /> I intended the post as a discusion of the posibilities of WMD's in Iraq, and I feel it's a valid post. No troll intended.
 
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