Dirty Buisness?

[JoLin]

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I think it's a great service to newbies and the uneducated, to keep them from OVER PAYING for other people's junk.

Nope. It isn't up to the 'selling price police' to protect a buyer's interest. It's up to the buyer to do that. Any potential buyer can tap into a wealth of online and local expertise to help him decide if an asking price is fair. If he's too stupid or lazy to do so, that's nobody else's concern.

My .02

 

[phillyg]

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The person providing this "public service" is a jerk. I don't care what a person lists a boat for, the value is determined by the buyer. NADA values can be a starting point for a deal, but it all comes down to the buyer to determine what he is willing to pay for a certain boat, or any item for that matter. If the seller isn't willing to meet the buyer's offer, then no deal happens. It's potential buyers who don't understand the old adage, "buyer beware," that results in overpaying for all material things. Of course, new boat fever is a powerful emotion, too.:facepalm:

 

[bonz_d]

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The funny one I saw the other day was one where someone posted that they had just sold a rowboat to someone for $xxx.xx and they now have it posted for resale for twice as much so don't buy it!

Thought to myself, what do you care it's not yours anymore!

 

[ziggy]

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typical for this day and age...
people sicking their nose in other peoples business...
it disgusts me...

if a buyer want's some help buying. there's places to discuss this... like iboats..

 

[TilliamWe]

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I have been to the Canadian line in less boat, and its a VERY good boat for Put In Bay and the islands....

I wholeheartedly disagree. I've to Put-In-Bay in much more boat, and it wasn't pleasant. To make the blankey statement that it's perfect for Lake Erie is just too broad and not true.

 

[Skypilot52]

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He is just mad that someone might get twice as much as he sold it for.

 

[joed]

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[wbc1957]

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Fighting reality with fantasy numbers on a very limited scale like NADA, is a lost cause. Anyone who knows anything about boats, is going to look at condition first. Then, based on supply and demand in their area, will ultimately decide the value (price) placed on said item. Dealers who think this type of tactic to disway a buyer from craigslist, is fighting a losing battle. The internet will continue to make inroads into the market place, and it is a matter of joining them, not fighting them, that will offer dealers the chance for any future success. IMHO.

 

[infideltarget]

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Nope. It isn't up to the 'selling price police' to protect a buyer's interest. It's up to the buyer to do that. Any potential buyer can tap into a wealth of online and local expertise to help him decide if an asking price is fair. If he's too stupid or lazy to do so, that's nobody else's concern.

My .02

Add two more cents to that. Well said!

 

[DaNinja]

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I think the free market system will take care of the prices. The price cops should stay out of it.

 

[TilliamWe]

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I think the free market system will take care of the prices. The price cops should stay out of it.

While I would normally whole-heartedly agree with this, I just hate to see "new-to-boating" types get taken advantage of. It hurts the whole lot of us, by inflating prices of used boats, but then also reducing the number of continuing boaters, which makes prices of everything increase.
Maybe this guy's approach is wrong, but sometimes you have to lead the horse to the water and put his lips to it?

 

[infideltarget]

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While I would normally whole-heartedly agree with this, I just hate to see "new-to-boating" types get taken advantage of. It hurts the whole lot of us, by inflating prices of used boats, but then also reducing the number of continuing boaters, which makes prices of everything increase.

Actually...just the opposite would happen. If there were less buyers, then the market would saturate, and prices would fall. In which case the newbs would be able to buy a boat cheaply, so regardless of the risk they would do it. As the supply of cheap boats dried up, boat prices would rise again. Then some would become disenchanted with the whole process (for various reasons), and sell out. This would again cause a surplus of cheap boats...hey...wait a minute. This already happens. Cyclical free market. Maybe the anti-free market price control folks (dare I say...socialists) should just leave it alone. And as far as reducing the number of continuing boaters...what is the problem there? More room for the rest of us on the water!

 

[Wingedwheel]

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I occasionally will take in an OB or boat to fix up, use for a year or two to make sure its 100% and then re-sale. I typically know what things are worth and "up" the price to have some wiggle room for low-ballers. I agree that its up to the buyer to know what they are looking at and what the value is. I've been taken before and will always stand behind what I am selling as being "as advertised". The fact that some people have stars in their eyes when looking and get taken advantage of is shameful. It is their responsibility , but at the same time the guy posting prices really does need to mind his own business.

 

[TilliamWe]

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infadel, you would be right, except that lack of boat sales would drive companies out of business leaving Brunswick with a monopoly, and the prices would rise. Lack of continuing boaters means that marinas fold, land gets developed for other things, water access is limited and thus more expensive.

 

[EMC 1810SS]

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I think some of you are missing my main point. I do not think NADA is evil, I think is a good starting point. I DID look up the NADA price and for an average 21 year old boat in this area, I think the price is probably very accurate. The thing that got me going was the fact that the poster quoted a price nearly $2000 less than what I came up with from the same quoted source. If the poster has put NADA Value $5,055 (the quick value I came up with) then I would thought, gee thats not nice, but went about my day. Thats not the case. This person quoted a "reliable source" yet didn't use the figure FROM that source. He low balled the SOURCE QUOTED. That is why I was so irked.

I do think that there should be sources such as Kelly's Blue book and NADA to help the new boaters. I think they have their place in the negotiations. I also think it is wrong for someone to say "it should be an easy fix" or yeah she ran like a top last year etc. and mis representing the fact that it overheated two years ago and didn't spend the money to fix it, or it hasn't been covered for 2 years and the floor and stringers are mush. Thats Fraud.

Thats not the situation at hand. My take, This poor guy is trying to sell his boat for as much as he feels it is worth. He is presenting exactly what the boat is and is probably prepared to negotiate to a fair price, BUT some person with a chip on his should is trying to undermine the value to what HE thinks it should be and using a false quote from a supposed respected source. I think that is just plain WRONG and absolutely despicable.

 

[Mel Taylor]

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It doesn't make any difference whether the seller is asking too much in anyone else's opinion or not. The asking or actual selling price simply isn't anyone's business except the seller and a potential buyer. I see the posts where one poster claims another person's asking price is too high fairly frequently on my local CL. I just flag them as either miscategorized or prohibited depending on whether the complainer just says the price is too high or goes on a rant about how crooked the seller is.

 

[V153]

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I like yer style Mel. As it should be. Armchair bidders oughta STFU!

 

[ajgraz]

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Guy's a jerk, but if he's not breaking any laws or Craigslist rules (is he?) then hey, it's a free country.

 

[EMC 1810SS]

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Guy's a jerk, but if he's not breaking any laws or Craigslist rules (is he?) then hey, it's a free country.

Actually he is. He is not selling or trading something something. There is an entire section for "discussions".

He did it again last night on a Four Winns 238 Vista. I think the Vista is overpriced, but my point remains.

 

[45Auto]

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Why does anyone care what someone else says their stuff (or someone eles's stuff) is worth? Doesn't bother me a bit if I ask $10K for a boat and someone else posts "NADA is $5K". If you don't think it's worth $10K, you don't have to buy it. If someone wants to say it's only worth a nickel, who cares - it's the internet!!!!

I can't imagine being so self-concious about what I'm asking for something that it would bother me if other people question my price. As I said above, if you don't think it's worth it, don't buy it. I think it's great when people try to drive the price down on stuff, makes for better deals for me if the seller pays any attention to them.

I've never had more than one buyer come looking at a boat I'm selling. First person bought it every time, regardless of what NADA or anyone else says. On the other hand, I've got some great deals by paying well over what "NADA" says a boat is worth ......