DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

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I have a rather complicated situation, that I hope SOMEONE can help me with.


I have a great aunt who recently has fallen on hard financial times, that my father sold a boat to in the early 90s. I have been posting about it in the MFG subforum. It's a 1965 16' MFG Niagara. Needless to say, she gave me the boat, no strings attached (other than that I can't "sell it to my father or any of his agents"...long story.) The boat did not have a title attached to it in any way, shape or form, which I did confirm with my father. The boat HAS been registered in the past, last active reg was in 2002. The boat was last registered in NJ, and I live in NY. The trailer also has expired tags, but I plan on scrapping the trailer and just winterizing it in my backyard on struts/cinder blocks (I live on the water, it's just a matter of having a hauler lift it.)

The only "proof" I have that I know of that would establish the boat now being mine, is a notarized letter stating that she gave the boat to me. She DID give me all of the past registrations, stickers and all (as the boat hasn't been used in over 10 years, but she WAS paying the registration), but I fear they may have been lost when my house was flooded in Hurricane Sandy.

To make matters worse, my aunt is, for a lack of better words, crazy. She has since cut off (or at least considerably lessened) communication with us, and would make matters very difficult in getting replacement documents, or any other proof of ownership materials I might need. On top of that, I found a form on the NYS DMV web site, form DTF-802, "Use this form to certify sale price for sales tax calculation when vehicle, vessel, etc. is transferred in a casual sale or as a gift." which can be found at http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/dtf802.pdf

She has become VERY calloused towards my family, and chances are, we cannot even attempt to contact her to sign off on any of this, let alone get her to contact the NJDMV to help us out. My girlfriend, who had sold stuff on eBay and needed to give her money for items, can't even get in contact with her, and this is over giving someone who is broke free money!

Is there any way out of this? Should I just stop wasting my time refitting this boat and have a junkyard or charity come and haul it off? This boat is my childhood, and I would be devastated if that was the case. Please tell me that there is some light at the end of this tunnel. Thanks in advance!

edit: Upon doing more research, I found http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv51b.pdf Statement of Ownership for Non-Titled Vehicles, Boats, Snowmobiles and All-Terrain Vehicles - MV-51B Upon FURTHER research, that's a "part two" to MV-51 which is a bill of sale, which there was no sale. THE DMV CONFUSES MEEEE :(
 

Silly Seville

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

If the boat is truly that important to you; you will muster the courage and finances to hire an attorney who will advise you on the proper course of action. Unless of course, a NY attorney here on iboats wants to give free advice.
 

MH Hawker

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Other than its a pile of parts nothing more.
 

lrak

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

It couldn't have been registered in NJ without a title in the first place. Your aunt could file the paperwork for a lost title and it would all be fine. Or you could move to a state that doesn't title old vehicles...
 
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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

It couldn't have been registered in NJ without a title in the first place. Your aunt could file the paperwork for a lost title and it would all be fine. Or you could move to a state that doesn't title old vehicles...

Even on a boat that old?

I spoke with my father, who said it never had a title in the first place. I found both the notarized letter that says the boat is being given to me, and I also found all the old regs, turns out they were never lost in sandy to begin with, so that's a step in the right direction I suppose.
 

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

If the boat is on your property now, and legally belongs to either your father or aunt, look into treating it as an abandoned vessel (like a marina or storage yard would do) and go through that process. You have to know the process for YOUR STATE and it does not matter what someone else did somewhere else.

You might go personally to the local DMV and see if you can get lucky and get a friendly helpful knowledgable clerk on your side--tehre is no substitute for face to face. Seems the Hurrican Sandy aspect works in your favor; they have probably seen similar situations.
 

GA_Boater

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The first thing to do is talk to the DMV as Home Cookin' said, face to face. You can read their website and post stuff here and it won't you get anywhere. The NY DMV is the only place and Sandy might work in your favor and it might not. Hopefully the notarized letter helps but who knows. Get the paperwork straight before dropping money in her. Good luck, things like this sometimes work out.
 

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I agree with the sentiment of just talking directly to the horses mouth....

Unless someone here works directly for the NY DMV, or is a NY resident that has had the same EXACT issue as you that they have dealt with recently, all you're going to get is;

Links to the NY DMV website, that may or may not apply to your situation.

Or..

"10 years ago a friend of my brother in law who lived in NY did this"....

Or...

"In my state, we do it this way"...

Or...

"Register it in Maine"...

We all mean well, but it sounds like you're in between a rock and a hard place, and you need to get concrete answers. At least make a phone call, or go someplace with your paperwork. Spring is here, and Summer is soon to follow. ;)
 

lakelover

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

I agree with the sentiment of just talking directly to the horses mouth....

I've called the NY DMV "Help" number before...Sometimes it's been easy & helpful, other times it's been the stereotypical "public servant"!*

It depends on who answers, so if you call and don't get the info you want, try again! I provided the link to DMV to try to point you in a starting direction.

*(Not public-servant-bashing, I was one for 31 years!!)
 
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My mother is the one talking to my aunt, and she claims to be able to get in touch with her. All of this has been SUPER helpful, and I think we'll be able to pull this all off. The last time it had an active reg was 2006, although it wasnt actually used in 10 years or so. Bubba, your PM was useful, and corresponds with a facebook post I got from someone who deals with DMV on a regular basis. I was dealing with huge anxiety when I posted this, but when I can, I will deal with this, hopefully I can get in by the end of May.
 

lrak

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

Even on a boat that old?

I spoke with my father, who said it never had a title in the first place.

Its possible your father never had a title, but if it changed hands in the early 90s, it probably got one at that point. I know my parents '70s Sunfish needed to get a title to get registered in the '80s.
 

Campylobacter

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

If you were in NC, you have enough already to get the boat registered in your name. I have always found the best thing to do is go down and talk to them, show them what you have and see if you need more (I've titled two boats with little to no paperwork to begin with).

I found both the notarized letter that says the boat is being given to me, and I also found all the old regs, turns out they were never lost in sandy to begin with, so that's a step in the right direction I suppose.
 

TurboM700

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

Play stuipd and go to a DMV that is in a small town.

Bring the haul number and tell them you aunt gave you this boat that is a 1965 that she has owned since new. You would like to transfer this into your name a bring it up to date for registration.

More then likely this will be enough to get in transferred.

I have done this for a boat and more snowmobile then I care to remember and it works flawlessly ever time.

Mike
 

RogersJetboat454

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

Bring the haul number and tell them you aunt gave you this boat that is a 1965 that she has owned since new. .

There was no standardized HULL numbers in 1965. That didn't happen till about the mid 70's. Depending on how crotchety the state is (requiring a title on boats regardless of age), they may or may not have assigned state HIN numbers for his boat.

Also, considering his FATHER owned the boat before his aunt, there's a good chance some records may exist that they dig up showing the change in ownership. "Playing Dumb" my get his butt in a sling for clearly BSing the powers that be.
 

GA_Boater

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It's best to be straight up with the Powers. Don't know about NY, but some states can track registration numbers back to the beginning of time. Tell them the history as you know it - If they ask.
 

frantically relaxing

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You have a notarized paper saying she gave you the boat? That should be enough ownership papers. The first thing you should do take a photo of the boat and those papers to your DMV and ask them the same question you just asked us. No offense to anyone, but it's a safe bet they'll know more about what to do than any of us will...

;)
 

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

"Playing Dumb" and saying his Aunt gave him the boat, and as far as he knows, she had owned it since new in 1965, and he would like to get it registered, is being about as truthful as he can be.

If they say that his father is the registered owner, Great! That takes the Aunt out of the loop.

Even when you sign your income tax return, you don't state that it is correct; only that it is correct to the best of your knowledge.
You can make all the mistakes you want. There is no law against being mentally challenged.
 

RogersJetboat454

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"Playing Dumb" and saying his Aunt gave him the boat, and as far as he knows, she had owned it since new in 1965, and he would like to get it registered, is being about as truthful as he can be.

If they say that his father is the registered owner, Great! That takes the Aunt out of the loop.

Even when you sign your income tax return, you don't state that it is correct; only that it is correct to the best of your knowledge.
You can make all the mistakes you want. There is no law against being mentally challenged.

My question is, has it been registered in NJ the whole time, or did his father have it previously registered in NY?
If this boat was registered in NY by his father, his BS story that his aunt has owned the boat the whole time is going to fail when the smiling face at the DMV pulls any records they may have for the boat (particularly if NY and NJ share registration information), and find out that his father (the guy with the same last name as his son) owned the boat. "What's the matter kid, did your father not tell you he owned a boat for 25+ years?".

The folks at the DMV aren't your average bear. They look for people committing fraud, which happens on a daily basis. Playing dumb is the oldest trick in the book. Some cooked up story about a boat his aunt owned all the time, but his fathers name was on the registration for the first couple decades may raise a few eyebrows of suspicion, even if the OP's motives are genuine.

I just don't see the drawback to fully disclosing the full history on the boat. It was legally registered in his fathers name. Then it was legally registered in his aunts name. He has a notarized letter from his aunt saying she's given the boat to him. Where's the problem with that? Typically, most DMV's/registries have more leniency for transfer of ownership of vehicles that are remaining within a family.
 

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Re: DMV Questions....Am I screwed?

I have done this for a boat and more snowmobile then I care to remember and it works flawlessly ever time.

Your luck has been better than mine. 100% of my boats and snowmobiles have resulted in at least 2 trips to the DMV, if not many, many more. The worst case, a snowmobile, involved 2 different law enforcement agencies inspecting the sled to see that it wasn't stolen/totaled, (with the accompanying mountain of paperwork), 2 notaries, and 5! trips to the dmv. (not counting the law enforcement inspections, at various locations)
 
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