dreaded 470 queston.....

[lightingmcqueen]

i have a 1989 wellcraft 20 ft cuddy with a mercruiser 3.7 165 hp model #ac042ts s/n 0c534867 i duno if any of thoes # will help but i am hopeing that its not a 470 i have never herd of that motor and was woundering if this is one of them please help if anyone knowes .......and if not do you think this boat is under powerd ???

 

[180shabah]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Yes, it is a "470" with a new name.

I do believe that the boat is marginaly powered, but if you don't plan on carying big loads or watersports the you will be fine, until something breaks...

 

[lightingmcqueen]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

well thanks for the info thats what i was afraid of .you said a diffrent name does that me it could not be as bad as the org i hear so much bad stuf about? it has closed cooling does that make anything better ?????

 

[Don S]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

A 470 is a 470, no matter what they called it.
They all had closed cooling.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

All mutations of the 470 are close cooled.....
The upside is you have the last year of manufacture.....
It is what it is.......​

 

[Bondo]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Ayuh,....

The 470s have been called Many different names,..... Some not sayable here,...
But,....
They're All the Same 470s.....

 

[JustJason]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

it should be called a F470.... if you catch my drift.

 

[180shabah]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

They've been known to make the sane go a little

 

[bishop1976]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Don't scare the nuts off this guy. I've read tons and tons about the 470 and seeing as how I own one and have done a mountain of research I can say this.

The year you have already has the 4 inch exchanger. Some of the earlier models had a 3 inch exchanger which caused some cooling issues.

Two things to watch out for:

The first is that the voltage regulator is water cooled. These tend to fail alot and are not repairable. My dealer quoted me 700.00 for the part. I am sure it can be found cheaper but it would be wise to go ahead and buy a conversion kit and convert your electrical system. You can buy the bracket and alternator in a kit with instruction for $300.00 or less.

The second is that the water pump is turned by the cam shaft. The end of the cam shaft is worn and starts to leak around the seal. You'll notice the leak. in order to repair this you have to sleeve the shaft and install a new seal. These parts are pretty cheap but the labor is where it gets fun.

Maintained these are good engines for the power they provide. They are pretty light and have a fair amount of torque. You have to keep up on the maintenance. Also never ever ever ever ever run this engine hot. With the aluminum block and iron head it will never be right again.

My guess is that you got a good deal on the boat. Do the maintenance, convert the electrical system, watch for the coolant leak and enjoy your boat. My father in-law ran a 470 for years until the boat rotted down around it. We cut the engine and outdrive out and I still use it for parts.

Hope this helps. I'm no expert but I have done a lot of reading!

 

[lightingmcqueen]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

oh bishop that helps alot after i bought the boat i started reading about the 470 and was pissed i just wasted my money but i couldent pass it up its in great condishion and i paid 1000 for it from my buddy and if that coupple things is all to be worried about im cool with that i know it alwayse was tooken care of so no worries there ...................... thanks again for easing the mind

 

[Don S]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Proves one point to me.
99.999% of the people you poll may say something is bad. But, since you happen to own one, when that last .001% of the people say what you want to hear, then that is the only thing you will hear, and go happily (and blindly) on your way.

 

[bishop1976]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

For $1,000 dollars if it runs he got a great deal. What's wrong with what I told him? Lots of people are happy with these motors. Teh negatives I pointed out are the weak points of the motor.

Don that was really uncalled for. I just gave him a realistic point of view. You go on and continue kicking people in the face. People come here for help not to get beat down.

 

[JustJason]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

it doesn't matter if he bought it for $1000..... coz the first time it breaks it's gonna cost $1000 to fix...

 

[Bondo]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Ayuh,....

The Great Advise I see here is,.....

It's Great that the boat is in Great Shape,+ was bought for a mere $1000.00.....
Now,....
The Sound Advise offered is,.....
Sell It, while it's Still running Great, for a Profit,... Then go buy a boat with Chevy based power to Enjoy.......

Because keeping the 470,... WILL come back and Bite the owner in the Butt,... Big Time....
The owners of the 470s,+ the old OMC Stringers are either willing to admit their Mistakes,+ Move On,.....
Or,.... Their in Total Denial,+ waiting for the Big Hit, that'll possibly be the End of their Boating Lifestyle.......

The way I see it,.....
Boaters come to iboats.com for Truthful Answers,.......
If you want a Sugarcoated answer,...... Go to another forum,........
But,.....
For Brutal Honesty,.......

Welcome Aboard,... You've found the Right Place.........................

 

[CAPTKEV85]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Last year before my rebuild my 470 ran like a champ. I got the boat for free 2 years ago. The boat sat for ten years and started right up when i got it. If the motor is taken care of and serviced its a good engine. has alot of power and torque. i have a 24 foot proline and full throttle its a 30mph. not bad for a 4 cylinder. I just rebuilt the engine and Im finiding little things that are wrong so im replacing them while its out of the water. preventative maintenance is the key for this motor.

 

[bishop1976]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

preventative maintenance is the key for this motor.

Exactly.

 

[HT32BSX115]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Well he could trade it for an OMC 460 King Cobra.........then he'd REALLY have something!

 

[erikgreen]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Trade it?

Why not build a frankenstein? Couple the 470 motor to an OMC drive, and put the whole thing in a Bayliner

I swear I wanna do that some day just to make some of the old salts here squirm

 

[bishop1976]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

I own three boats.....I'm always waiting for the next big hit Bondo. lol.

 

[Bondo]

Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Why not build a frankenstein? Couple the 470 motor to an OMC drive, and put the whole thing in a Bayliner

Ayuh,....... Now you're Talkin',...... But only if it's a Stringer Electric Drive.....

A Hot Babe in the seat,+ it might make the cover of Hot Boat magazine........