dreaded 470 queston.....

bomar76

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Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

...add a rotted transom, a nonfuctional bilge pump, an automotive electric fuel pump, and a plastic inline fuel filter and you have the perfect boat!
 

Coors

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Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

Ayuh,....... Now you're Talkin',...... But only if it's a Stringer Electric Drive.....:D

A Hot Babe in the seat,+ it might make the cover of Hot Boat magazine........:D

Yeah a stringer, because a cobra would refuse to mate.

Yeah, the cobra gearing, the 470, with the hot babe, and trying to get the perfect wake in the background.
 
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Coors

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Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

i have a 1989 wellcraft 20 ft cuddy with a mercruiser 3.7 165 hp model #ac042ts s/n 0c534867 i duno if any of thoes # will help but i am hopeing that its not a 470 i have never herd of that motor and was woundering if this is one of them please help if anyone knowes .......and if not do you think this boat is under powerd ???:confused:

Sorry that you stepped into the abuse.
but your engine gets more abuse than an OMC.
The guys in here hate components that never worked, or are old.
 

Don S

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The guys in here hate components that never worked, or are old.

Your opinion is correct if you would have left the last 3 words (or are old) off. Old stuff works, the 165 I6, the 140 I4, all good engines. The Mercruser I4, NOT so good.
 

bishop1976

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This is all funny because every one of these boats that someone posts about that has a 470 are all near or older than 20 years old. Mine is an 87 with 600+ hours on it and still runs strong. My father in law had 800+ on his when the boat started showing rot and was taken out of service. That sure is alot of age and hours for a motor that doesn't work.

I'm not saying that this is the best motor to have but it's definately not the dog it's made out to be. The power to weight ratio is very good and if properly maintained you won't have problems.

In my experience there have been a lot of products throught the years that got a bad rap due to poor maintenance or stupid consumers. No doubt Mercruiser put this thing out with design flaws but they are not flaws that can't be corrected for a few dollars. Most of these 470 boats can be bought so cheap that throwing a couple hundred into the neccessary modifications is worth it.

This guy bought the boat for 1,000. Complete 470's are selling for 1,600 used on ebay. Apparently there is still value in something so worthless!
 

bishop1976

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It will also be nice to run all weekend on a tank of gas vs filling up every four hours at 5.00 a gallon. The 470 is very efficient on fuel if nothing else.
 
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Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

...add a rotted transom, a nonfuctional bilge pump, an automotive electric fuel pump, and a plastic inline fuel filter and you have the perfect boat!

i had a 50 hp 2 stroke mercury with an plastic inline filter and it ran for five years with \that thing and i still sold for more than i paid for it so dont knock the lawn mower filters.
 

Don S

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so dont knock the lawn mower filters.

Has nothing to do with it working or not, it is dangerous and illegal because it won't pass a fire test in an inclosed engine compartment.
Outboard do use them, but not I/O's (well, they shouldn't)
 
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To the OP, I feel your pain on the negative side of this particular motor. I have yet to read much good about it online or hear much good in person. However, I have since gotten my grandfathers 1979 Galaxy running after 10 years of sitting. It still needs a few things but with only a new distributor cap, plugs, wires, battery and new oil it fired up quickly and ran rather smooth. I dunno what the future will hold for it, but I guess I'll see. The motor had always run strong from when he purchased it in 1979 until 1999 when electrical problems and his failing health beached it. So 20 years of (April-October) fishing on Lake Erie, with only maintenance, gasoline, a couple props, and a few miscellaneous electrical pieces ain't that bad. The replacement parts are not cheap compared to others but neither are parts for classic cars...guess it depends on what you want.
 

Big Boat Bay Buster

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Bishop1976, I'm here to back you up!! I got back into boating with a 1983 Celebrity bowrider with a 470. I must have been out on it twice a week for the whole season and NEVER a problem. After I bought the boat and researched the engine I figured I was in trouble, but I knew what to look for and how to keep it in good shape. Main thing is to not let it overheat!!
SO, I change the impeller once a year and check the flow once in a while. It takes a few seconds to unhook the hose from the heat exchanger and check the flow, then I hook it up backwards and give the HE a quick flush! Parts are plentiful on ebay and my local craiglist. I have 4 cyl. economy and V6 power! Sure, if I had a choice, I would choose a SB Chevy or similair, but I would not walk away from a good running 470!
Chris
 

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Re: dreaded 470 queston.....

This is all funny because every one of these boats that someone posts about that has a 470 are all near or older than 20 years old. Mine is an 87 with 600+ hours on it and still runs strong.

They are ALL 20+ years old. 600 hours sounds like alot, but it is common for a marine engine to run 2000 hours and 3000+ is not unheard of. The secret is maintenance and keeping water out of places that it shouldn't be, like the oil and combustion chambers.

I'm not saying that this is the best motor to have but it's definately not the dog it's made out to be. The power to weight ratio is very good

Agreed, there is much to like about these engines, they made the same power as the L6, and weighed less. So does a 4.3L(want to save more weight, aluminum manifolds are available)

and if properly maintained you won't have problems.

A bit optimistic for ANY engine, not just the 3.7

In my experience there have been a lot of products throught the years that got a bad rap due to poor maintenance or stupid consumers.

OR bad engineering coupled with bad service. anybody remember the GM 350 diesels. With the exception af a couple of design flaws they were great(sound familiar), capable of returning 20-25MPG in a full size car W/O overdrive, but if you got 60k without a head gasket failure your service manager was probably urging you to get a lottery ticket. Like the 3.7 we have been discussing, we now know the flaws and what is needed. If you are willing to commit to staying ahead of "wear and tear" then you can prolong thier life.

It will also be nice to run all weekend on a tank of gas vs filling up every four hours at 5.00 a gallon. The 470 is very efficient on fuel if nothing else.

It's not really any more efficient than any other marine engine of similar power. plus or minus a few percent, in a boat it takes Xhorsepower to move Ypounds at Qmiles per hour. In a car simple things like freeing up the intake and exhaust, or using efficient heads can make substantial differences in economy, in the real world boats just don't react as well do to the constant load and overall driveline efficiency(or lack thereof).

Main thing is to not let it overheat!!

And replace the funky cam seal thing, BEFORE it leaks, it can cost you a complete engine instead of a $20 part.


The replacement parts are not cheap compared to others but neither are parts for classic cars...guess it depends on what you want.

That is the real problem, the price and availability of parts.
 

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^^^^Funny^^^^

Bondo - how is the "vacation house" coming along?
 
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