Emergency BC

brother chris

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Originally posted by One More Cast:<br /> quote:<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Originally posted by Darth D Invader:<br />The next thing you know is that masturbation will become a crime <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />"Yep, it'll make you go blind! " <br /><br />
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KaGee

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OMC.... your alright bro!<br /><br />Hey wait a minute... your wearing sunglasses too! :eek:
 

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"OMC.... your alright bro!" <br /><br /> "Hey wait a minute... your wearing sunglasses too! "<br /><br /> :D I thought you would get a kick out of that KG!
 

KaGee

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LOL!!<br /><br />But seriously, Spinners comment in the other thread about wearing Spandex.... that hurts my eyes! I need the cain.
 

jtexas

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br /> What's the difference between disallowing a fertilized egg to implant itself onto the uterus or causing one that has to be expelled?<br /><br />Seems to me it's all a semantics game. What is the definition of "pregnant"? Just another way to allow people to be relieved of guilt for their actions.
Are you philosophically opposed to any form of BC? I respect that if you are, but knowing that will help me put your answer in context.<br /><br />Assume for a moment that monthly progesterone ("the Pill") works exactly the same as EBC (Princeton University) - would you then also oppose "the Pill?"
 

cmyers_uk

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If you oppose the morning after pill then you should hold the same concerns about the regular pill. The regular pill has a tiered effect to stop pregnacy , 1) tries to stop ovulation 2) changes cervical mucas to try and stop sperm reaching egg 3) Prevents the lining of the womb to thicken so stopping the FERTILIZED egg from attaching when steps 1 & 2 fail and they do fail. The stats that I had seen said in a year a woman on the pill would lose a fertilized eggs once. <br /><br />The real question should be is it right to make changes to your body to ensure that a fertilized egg can not develop. If you are happy with that I cannot see how you can object to the morning after, coil , normal pill they all have the same effect, obviously the coil and normal pill do try to prevent the fertilization every time but they dont work 100%.
 

KaGee

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> Are you philosophically opposed to any form of BC? I respect that if you are, but knowing that will help me put your answer in context.<br />
The answer to the first is NO. I am not opposed to any birth control method that prevents conception. <br /><br />I believe there are moral issues with any form of administered treatment that destroy a fertilized egg.
 

SwampNut

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The standard pill also has the effect of preventing a fertilized egg from attaching, so are you against that pill too?
 

PuddleJumper

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If we re-read jtexas 1st post and Chris Myer's post it pretty much covers the how and why completely.
 

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Originally posted by SwampNut:<br /> The religious whackjobs picketed and got several stores to stop stocking this. The same ones that are against abortion made it more likely for a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy. Idiots.
This is the first post in the thread where an insult is hurled.<br /><br />I have my views, just like anyone else, but I wonder if we can ever have a thread on a controversial issue where the participants don't resort to emotional outbursts or namecalling, but rather calmly state their positions and talk about it. Not saying I haven't done the same thing, but I am saying that maybe we can watch ourselves and make this more fun for everyone. And, yeah, I am trying to reign in my own sharp tongue (or should I say fingertips?).
 

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This is the first post in the thread where an insult is hurled.
Who is insulted? Are you a religious whackjob that picketed to have this medicine removed from your local stores? If not, then why would you be insulted?
 

brother chris

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br />
Are you philosophically opposed to any form of BC? [/QB][/quote]<br /><br />I hope nobody is philosphically opposed to ME!!!<br />B.C.
 

dogsdad

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Swamp Nut, I did not say who the object of your scorn is. I know what it's like to be so exasperated at what others think, and what it's like to let an outburst like that pass over the lips, figuratively speaking. An insult is an insult, even if it's open-ended. I feel no obligation to identify the target of that attack.<br /><br />And, no, I did not participate in any picketing. I am not sure what I think about this subject, though I do lean towards the "life begins at conception" point of view.<br /><br />Some of the exchanges we've had here have unnecessarily degenerated into less-than-civil cyber-brawls, and they always seem to start degenerating when someone uses emotionally charged language---such as insults-at-large. I am sure that I have been the one who started it, a time or two, and I want to make an effort to change my approach, get my emotions in check, and have more enjoyable and productive exchanges with everyone here (and I do NOT have that all figured out as of yet).<br /><br />I want to promote civility. Promoting strife is wrong. I guess I've come to a point in my life where I see a fork in the road, and I know I want to change the world---because quite frankly, I don't like what I see. But I know that the only way to exercise power over others is to exercise power over myself. I change the world by changing myself.<br /><br />I often wondered how JB could be so even-tempered and detached. I've figured out that it boils down to either "I control emotions" or "emotions control me." I realize that I would be much better off if I can curb my emotions...it's just a step in personal growth.<br /><br />Maybe I've got this all wrong. Maybe the name of the forum should be changed to "Dockside Discord," or "Dockside Brawls."
 

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good job, dog, thanks for being the peacemaker, I'm with ya on this one...Group hug...okay, now that's out of the way, <br /><br />how 'bout it...anybody FOR the regular pill, but AGAINST the morning after...now that we all know that the two are EXACTLY the same meds that have EXACTLY the same effect?<br /><br />That wasn't the original question...but I didn't really know that question when I started the topic, and it's a much better question, dontcha think?<br /><br />I'm amazed that this pill doesn't get more publicity. I'm amazed that pro-lifers aren't behind it 100% (obviously, other than "non-birth-control" people - it's not just the Catholics). <br /><br />Either that, or else why the pro-lifers don't go up against the regular pill. It's a contradictory position to oppose one and not the other...it's got to be a matter of misinformation. Who benefits from that?
 

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I am not sure I accept the claim that they are exactly the same medication. I have heard it said that if conventional birth control pills are not used exactly as prescribed---in other words, missing a dose here and there---that a pregnancy can easily occur. But I also am not sure that it has much bearing on the subject.
 

jtexas

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Did some quick searches trying to find something that might be neutral science, came across the this (linked above) from<br />James Trussell, PhD<br />Director<br />Office of Population Research<br />Princeton University<br />Princeton NJ 08544<br /><br /><br />
<br />To make an informed choice, women must know that ECPs—like all regular hormonal contraceptives such as the birth control pill, the implant Norplant, and the injectable Depo-Provera,29 and even breastfeeding may prevent pregnancy by delaying or inhibiting ovulation, inhibiting fertilization, or inhibiting implantation of a fertilized egg in the endometrium.<br />
The footnote reference cites <br />"Statement on Contraceptive Methods. Washington DC: American College of Obstetricians and<br />Gynecologists, July 1998."<br /><br />There's no question about it being the same medication - it's exactly the same, but at a much higher dose. There are only two - progestin, and progestin with estrogen.
 

cmyers_uk

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This is one of those topics like religion that people will have strong views either way. It is good if in a sensible no name throwing way people at least understand that normal 'accepted' contraception methods do at times cause a fertilized egg to be terminated. If they find this unacceptable they can avoid their use. I personally have no objection to there use but fully understand the othersides position and why they might feel strongly about it. What I do object to is when they try and force their views on me. It seems to me the world would be a whole better place if people lived their life by thier morales and let me live mine by mine.
 

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It seems to me the world would be a whole better place if people lived their life by thier morales and let me live mine by mine.
Absolutely true, and that's the problem here. One group wants to control the lives of everyone else.
 

Kalian

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Controll other people? Thats not even close. If that were the case the same people would be asking to ban nose rings, halter tops, baggy pants, rap music and all the other apparantly immoral or controversial aspects of American life. <br /> This is simply about when does life begin and does a woman have a right to decide whether or not this life continues.
 
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