engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

tal

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It's been probably a month since I posted last about kicker brackets. I've come to the conclusion that nothing on the market will work for my application, mainly due to the mounting space I'm dealing with.

I now have an idea that I think will work and be cost effective at the same time. I need an opinion or two from some others that may have done the same thing or know more about this stuff than I do.

In my application, I need the kicker bracket to set about 8.5" back from my transom. This will allow enough room to tilt up without hitting the boat and should keep the strength of the bracket without being too long. I plan to use a 1 ft piece of 6061-T6 aluminum I beam. I can get a 1 ft length of this from http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=981&step=2&top_cat=60 I would like to use the I beam which measures 6" x 3.33" x .23"

The question is, the webbing or vane that is almost 1/4" thick, is this going to be strong enough? The beam will be cut to the angle of my transom on one side, come back ~8.5" on the top (~10.57 on bottom due to angle) and will have a plate welded to both sides. The side at the transom will be plated to bolt the bracket to the transom and I will use another plate on the inside to "mash" the transom in between.

Finally, the kicker I'm using is a nissan 9.8 4 stroke which weighs in at 90lbs. I plan to keep this attached to the bracket with bolts and the clamps while trailering. Any ideas?

I've looked at doing it out of stainless but no one will sale square tubing in a foot length and I'd rather not have it puzzle pieced with a bunch of welds. Besides, 316 is extremely expensive.
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Ayuh,... 3"s seems pretty narrow to offer support...
 

tal

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Ayuh,... 3"s seems pretty narrow to offer support...

The next step up is a 8" x 4" that has a webbing of .5" Seems a little overkill.

I guess 3" does sound a wee narrow considering the mounting pad needs to be about 10". The side that goes to the transom was going to be a couple inches wider and longer.

I was thinking with the structural design on the I beam it would be capable of handling the load.
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

I had this made for my sailboat. Its also made with 6061 aluminum. The end on the left bolts to the transom, and the square end on the right holds the motor. The square end also has a 1?" square block of sealed plywood (not pictured) for the motor to clamp to. My motor is a 6 HP longshaft Merc that weighs about 60 lbs.

My mount is ?" thick all around. The tube is 3" x 1?". Holds my motor quite well.

Hope this helps you.
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Ayuh,... I think your problem is thinking you can do this with a single piece, rather than fabricated of a few pieces...
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

I built one out of a section of (I believe) 4 x 6 aluminum rectangular box channel which I botled one 6 inch face to the transom, and the opposite face a mounting board for the outboard. That resulted in the outboard being 5 1/2" back from where it was previously mounted on the 1 1/2" transom. Perhaps you could do something similar?
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

I built one out of a section of (I believe) 4 x 6 aluminum rectangular box channel which I botled one 6 inch face to the transom, and the opposite face a mounting board for the outboard. That resulted in the outboard being 5 1/2" back from where it was previously mounted on the 1 1/2" transom. Perhaps you could do something similar?

What he said. A foot of aluminum 6"x6" square tube 1/4" thick is around 40$ http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=18024&step=4&showunits=inches&id=1270&top_cat=60 or 25$ for the 3/16", which is more than enough.
That should set you at around 7.5 in. back. You could even cut it at an angle to raise the engine.
 

tal

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Thanks for the thoughts guys. After contemplation, I've come up with a different design. It's similar to the mount jrs_diesel posted but a little bigger and not made of solid channel. I wish I had my measurements and creative thoughts right the first time because it would have saved me a bunch of time. Anyways, I found the total set back needs to be more than 8.5". More like 12 or so. 8.5" would have worked if I never intended to kick the motor all the way up. I've heard the little nissans will come down when you hit a wave so I intend to reinforce with a strap. ~12" will clear the shift lever at the place I've chosen on my transom, which will put the depth of the motor in the water over the cavitation plate. I made a couple of wooden mock ups until I got the thing right. By coincidence I signed on to IRC that same night and ran into an old friend of mind who does custom marine fabrication in Florida. I told him what I was doing and he made a kind offer to help me out. Basically, it will be built out of 3/8" aluminium. I've attached the wooden mockup for anyone else who's in the same "boat" as I, heh. I will follow up with another picture of the product when I get it, and another after I install it. Hopefully sometime next weekendish.

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Well, here it is. It is 3/8" 6061-T6 aluminum. It is welded together very good. Some seams on the inside couldn't be welded because the tig didn't fit. He sealed it with 5200 to keep corrosion from happening and double passed some of the outside seems. Dimensions are to fit my particular boat and engine setup. The "squeeze" plate is 5052 1/4" and will be installed on the inside of the transom instead of fender washers.
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Ayuh,... Lookin' pretty Sweet,...
Rock solid...
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

That looks great. Great job!
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Well here we are. I'm quite happy with how it turned out and the thing is solid. This weekend might yield some water time to test it out and I need to breakin the new kicker. Installed fuel water separator with 2 outs that now fuel the little guy and the merc. Everything seems in place and runs on hose so far.
 

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tal

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Couple more pics....waterline line is ~1 or more below the self bailing drains on the transom, but differs depending on passengers. Regardless, I think the kicker will be in plenty of water without worrying about swamping it. I will soon see though.

Also, if anyone is interested in getting something similar to this built, my friend who made the bracket is in Panama City, Florida. panamacitywelding.com (<-- don't know if links are legal here). Anyways, he's a great guy and so is his work.

Ryan
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Looks very nice. I have one suggestion though. You might want to round off the corners on the outer transom plate. When running with the big motor on choppy water, you might see some high stress concentrations at the sharp corners that could crack your gel-coat.
 

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Re: engineering help with homemade kicker bracket

Forgot to post a follow up. The bracket is actually beveled on the edges so it doesn't meet the gelcoat in the way you're describing. I have a couple of videos from 3 weekends ago of the bracket in use. I will link them below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PHhfDyo__Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwU5K19RGmQ

So far 2 trips to a lake which is about 140-160 miles round trip and the little dude is still holding on back there. I don't foresee any future problems but I will sure keep an eye on it.
 
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