evinrude 10hp qd-23

[Sea18Horse]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

If they don't have the pump see if they have the lower unit lube in the smaller squeeze tube as CATransplant suggests. Then you don't need the pump, the tube just screws right into the drain hole. Plus it's a lot cheaper since a quart is actually enough to do your lu several times.

About the pontoon you might want to ask in the boat building/restoration forum. A lot of sharp folks there. There is a formula for figuring out what the max hp should be for a given boat. Based on length and width. A search there should turn up something. But I don't know how it translates to pontoons. My knee jerk reaction is that 70hp might be a bit overkill. But for a 20 footer it's probably about right I suppose.

The Sportwin on a jon boat sounds like a perfect match. Good luck!

....................Todd

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

well when i was younger i remember that my grandfather would take me on the pontoon only with the sportwin , but i remember it going at a fairly good speed but it was extremely lud since we always ran it at wot lol. but i was reading about it and it used 6 gallons of gas in four hours at wide open throttle so thats like 1-2 gallons and hour, but i only have one preasurized tank so im going to buy another 5 gallon gas can or ill check out mine see if its anygood but i hasnt been used in a while. oh lol read some other stuff about it too and at 4500 rpm i think i has 10hp and the recommmended rpm is 5000-6000 if thats correct. so what would i get u think on speed with the sportwin. i weigh 135 with possible 50 pounds of gear possibly less( includes life jackets gas lawn chairs possibly food) and the pontoon is rated to have 2000 pounds i read in some booklet i found. and u think this thing will be reliable enough to take to my friend house on the lake possibly 3 miles there stay a night and come back the other day?

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

ok i stoppped by napa picked up my water pump impeller for 20$ and got some gear oil in a court with the tip so i can squirt it in for about 5$ and ordered 4 new spark plugs j4c champion for the motor. so before i change the gear oil im going to try to find some of those washers in which i can put on the screws. the water impeller is big to me about 2-3 inches across but i havent really looked at the motor since 2 days ago but today im going to try to take the motor off the boat again. and if light permits change the water pump impeller. so any suggetions comments conerns questions are welcomed. and i still have to get the carb rebuild kit form evinrude dealer and prop rehubed other then that no problems i know except compression but we will have to see how it does when im doen with evrything. thanks u guys r awsome

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

hey i got a problem i cant get the gear case off the motor. cause i tried to change the water puimp impeller today but the gear case wouldnt come off. so i noticed that when i move the gear selector for f-n-r it would move the case up and down. and theres a little removable panel above the water pump and i removed it and theres two nuts cennected to the connecting rods. i removed the nuts and the gear case still wodunt come off. i wiggled it for like and hour. so what do i have to do help please!!!

 

[Sea18Horse]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

Were they actual nuts on the connector or bolts? They should be small 1/4 x 28 hex head bolts. And you need to completely remove the lower one. Because the upper end of the shaft is notched where the bolt fits. If there were indeed nuts on there then you'll need to remove the bolt first. Just push it out the back and let it fall down inside. You can retrieve it later.But getting it back together again is going to be a pain in the neck. Good luck!

................Todd

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

i think it was called a c unit but there was this metal thing holding the shift rod together i took out the two bolts on there and they were 3/8. after i did that it still wouldnt move and can u please state ur awnser again please i didnt understand

 

[wbeaton]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

You're doing great, Coolguy. The bolts you removed were for the shift shaft. You only have to remove the bottom one, but you'll know that for next time. There are four bolts holding the lower unit to the exhaust leg. Remove those too. Now if you've removed the bolts and the shift shaft linkage, you may have to pry the lower unit off. It happens. Sometimes they get stuck on there. Sometimes a gentle rap with a rubber mallet works to pop it off or a large screw driver placed in the joint between the halves.

 

[eavega]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

If the lower unit sticks a bit, the most likely culprits are either the water tube, which is inside the leg of the motor and stays there when you remove the lower unit, or the drive shaft, which will come along with the lower unit when you get it removed. The top of the drive shaft is splined (has some indentations that fit into the top) and sometimes they hold on a bit. One trick I have is to make sure the motor is in gear (which will likely happen when you disconnect the shift rod, otherwise reach through the access window and push down on the shift rod until it engages) and try to spin the drive shaft a little by spinning the propeller a little. That, and a little downward pressure should free up the lower.

-Eric

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

thanks for the encouragement guys. well i did all the thing that beaton said to do which i alreayd did and ill try to pry it a little more tonight. its not that i cant get it off. just not all the way. i can get it down to about a 1 when its in reverse but idk i think the drive has something to with it. i got a rubber hammer to i knock around and move the prop and such see if it comes loose today

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

guys i cant get the lower unit off!!!! i cant do anything more cause i got baseball practice. omg guys i wiggled the prop tried it in evry different gear. dang me really i cant take it apart i even tried to put pressure to pull it off whiel turn the prop and it did nothing im not sure to do guys im really frustrated. wonder how my grandfather did this. wish he was still alive. and i notice that it only gets down about an inch and when i do it seems to disonnect from the drive shaft so i can turn it the prop with out resistiance but wont go any further dang man u guys gotta help please!!!

 

[jbjennings]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

CG,
When you get the lower unit down about an inch, you should see the drive shaft and a smaller shaft (shift rod). I'm thinking on the mid-section there is a small cover that has 2 screws which you take off and you can see the shift rod and the shift rod connector which has 2 small 3/8 head bolts in it.. The way you describe it, you've taken them both out. Is the shift rod not coming out of the connector? If not, that's your problem. the connector is brass and if you try to pry it open, it will break. Since it comes down an inch or so, it shouldn't be the drive shaft rusted in the seat, either. So back to the shift rod. Sometimes they get kind of "frozen" in the shift rod connector. I suggest getting your dad to help you get it loose without breaking the connector. Maybe he can put a little dab of heat on the connector with some hot water and lightly tap down on the lower unit while applying steady downward pressure. If the shift rod is out of the connector it's dropping about an inch already, it should come out.

By the way,
It's a lot easier to read your post with punctuation. I hope you continue to work on that and consider using capitalization. As stated before, the importance of learning how to communicate effectively can't be overstated. Also, just because you've seen others type badly, doesn't mean you have to. Then again, I couldn't type at all until the END of 8th grade after taking a typing class. So there's still time for you to learn! This new way of text messaging and abbreviating words and such is neat but remember, older folks don't know all the "lingo", so take it easy on us!
Good luck on your motor,
JBJ

 

[Sea18Horse]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

As JB mentions there are only three things connecting the lower unit to the rest of the engine. The drive shaft, the water tube and the shift rod. As you figured out, the drive shaft is not the problem because it allows the prop to rotate when it is apart one inch. That means the drive shaft is disconnecting from the splines in the crankshaft. The water tube can't reach one inch so it can't be that. It has to be the shift rod. You said in your pm that you've already mangled the bolts for the shift rod connector. Does that mean the bolts are still in there? You must remove the lower bolt in order for the two halves of the shift rod to separate. It will not come apart if the bolts are still in there. Even if they are loose. Good luck!

...................Todd

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

ok thanks for the suggestion guy. Well i was at baseball practice right. So i was thinking and thought hmmmm y dont i just stick something inbetween the gear case and exhaust housing and since the shift rod moves up and down. Then try to put it in foward since it was in reverse ( reverse the rod goes down to its lowest. and then i try to pour hot water on the rod basically on the connecter. so i try to put the rod in foward while pour.


So what u guys think of this? idea basically same thing of yours and ill try it 2moro


Oh and i think the onyl way it goes down an inch is when put the thing in reverse lol

 

[Sea18Horse]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

That seems reasonable. Be careful though. But just to be sure, you have completely removed the lower bolt in the shift rod connector haven't you? You can see through the hole where the bolt was and see the groove in the shift shaft right? I was actually going to suggest that you turn the connector on the upper shaft just a bit so that you could stick a small blade type screwdriver in there and slightly spread the lower half of the connector. But from what jbjennings says that's not a good idea so I bow to his judgment. Probably shouldn't try it.

Good luck! And don't lose your temper on it. You could wind up costing yourself a lot more time and money.

..................Todd

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

k ill look into the hot water and ill be carefull since its a 1959

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

how hot should the water be?

 

[jbjennings]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

Coolguy,
On second thought, I doubt the hot water will be enough. It needs to be really hot and that makes it dangerous for you, so please don't try it. You might try BARELY, LIGHTLY, GENTLY prying on the connector like seahorse18 said but I can tell you from recent experience that the brass is very brittle and can break and it will break suddenly without any warning. If it does, it's a pain to fix. I think you might try getting some locking pliers and putting them on the shift rod below the connector and using a hammer to lightly tap on the pliers to help pull it out of the connector. If it was mine, I'd heat up the brass connector using a method I didn't mention and use the pliers, but 9 times out of 10, the pliers and tapping is enough.
Get that shift rod out and that lower unit will come right off. When you reinstall your lower and reconnect the shift rod, be very careful to get the groove aligned with the hole in the connector or you will wipe off the threads when you screw the connector bolt in. there should be no need to ever remove the top bolt of the connector, but in your case, I'd take off both and hoped one side slipped off. You can use some grease and make it slip back on later. Getting the connector back on the shaft isn't that hard.
Good luck,
JBJ

BTW, seahorse18, I'm no expert so never heed my advice like it was actually good for something!​

 

[freddyray21]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

if both screws on the shift rod connector are out and I think they are you can take a block of wood and place it on the top of the connecter then tap the block of wood downward with a small hammer.

 

[coolguy147]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

i think i will try the hot water method cause my tap is really hot and its not boiling thought but ill be carefull and see what happens. ill try some wd-40 some more too wish me luck guys g2g bye

 

[wbeaton]

Re: evinrude 10hp qd-23

I think you will find the hot water method suggested will be difficult to execute. I'd use a small propane torch and/or a set of vise-grips. However, some penetrating oil like WD-40 and a set of vise-grips may be a better solution for you. If you need to use a torch get an adult to help you.