Evinrude 200 ?

Nutt

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I have a 200 evinrude on a bass boat. I want to know if these engines normally have a charging system to charge the cranking battery. Mine does not appear to and my procharger has gone bad so looking for a little help.
 

Nutt

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Re: Evinrude 200 ?

how would you recommend checking it? Do I check for voltage on a lead?
 

daselbee

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Re: Evinrude 200 ?

It definitely has a reg/rectifier. It is equipped with a 35 amp charging system. The reg/rect is mounted into the top rear of the block, and it is water cooled.
You could run the reg/rect tests as described in the OMC service manual, or you could just shotgun replace it and hope that that was your problem.
They are not cheap...I am guessing $150 to $200 bucks. Don't forget to get the gasket.
 

jonesg

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Re: Evinrude 200 ?

Does your tachometer work?
if not ,then its the rectifer.
 

dajohnson53

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It definitely has a reg/rectifier. It is equipped with a 35 amp charging system. The reg/rect is mounted into the top rear of the block, and it is water cooled.
You could run the reg/rect tests as described in the OMC service manual, or you could just shotgun replace it and hope that that was your problem.
They are not cheap...I am guessing $150 to $200 bucks. Don't forget to get the gasket.


More like $250 for the part, at least at my local boat shop (and I felt very fortunate they even had it in stock!) But not a difficult DIY. Maybe $100 labor for a shop to do it. But it's definitaly something he doesn't want to throw parts at unless he's fairly sure.

To OP:
I'm not an expert, but went through a rectifier problem last year on my J-200. If you search this forum for that word and/or "regulator rectifier", you'll find a lot of troubleshooting info.

first thing to do for any charging problem is thoroughly check the battery terminals and connections. Use a little wire brush and clean everything up so it's shiny, then connect back onto the battery VERY SNUGLY - with a wrench or pliers.

Then, with engine running at fast idle (in water preferably), put a multimeter on the battery terminals (+to+, - to - of course) and check the Volts DC should be, what? around 14 I believe, more than 13 for sure. If it's not charging properly, there's several possibilities, one of which is the rectifier.

If the charging system is working, it can still be the rectifier, but can also be a problem with the battery itself. make sure the battery is good. You can bring it in to an autoparts store for a load test. Bu a new one if it's bad at all, they are not expensive in the "big picture" of boating costs!

Also check if tach is working. Tach not working - check all wiring to make sure it's not the wiring, or substitute a known working tach. If the tach is good, wiring is good but still not working, very likely it's the rectifier.

A typical scenario for a bad rectifier is both Tach and Charging aren't working, but that's not always the case. Mine showed bad tach, but was charging perfectly. This had to do with something about the (??) poles (??) on the rectifier and only one part being bad. But it needed replacing none the less.

There's actual tests for the rectifier - that I'm not really expert in. I think what convinced me to replace the rectifier is that I figured out which terminals on the rectifier itself (it's easy to find the rectifier - see quote above) ran the tach, and then I clipped a known good tach right there and it still didn't work. Therefore eliminated the tach and the wiring as culprits, therefore I went ahead and spent the money on a rectifier.

It's best to have an OEM shop manual when you get to this stage or get explicit advice from people here - or just have a shop do it. Like I said, I did it, it wasn't tough, but I had a shop manual and a few hours to kill and basic tools and mechanical know-how (VERY basic).

But first, post the results of your charging checkup and info on the tach functioning.
 

Nutt

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Re: Evinrude 200 ?

The tach works fine. I have not had a prolem with that, it is not putting out voltage at the batt when the enigine is running.
 

jonesg

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Re: Evinrude 200 ?

You need the factory manual and a peak reading volmeter, both can be had on ebay all day long for less than $100.

Then go through the stator tests by the book, its very clear on how to do it.

At this point it could be the regulator or stator, but usually when regulators fail they go open and you'd see very high voltage at the battery 18v+.

if you cannot find the manual on ebay...

www.outboardbooks.com

but I see them all the time on ebay, Peak reading meters too.
Use the search function.
 

Nutt

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Re: Evinrude 200 ?

Thanks alot for the replies I will see what I can do.

Michael
 

dajohnson53

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Maybe this will help. It helped me when I had a rectifier problem last year:

(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

Remove that gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.

measure the voltage on the gray (tach sender) wire with the engine running. you need at least 4 volts AC. multimeter set to "VAC", one probe on the gray wire, other probe on any good ground.

It is possible to use a bridge diode rectifier from an electronics supply house (Radio Shack). They are way cheaper than the OEM one, and a good fix if you are aware that it can be done. They usually are a square black unit with 4 bare wires coming from it. Is this what your motor has on it?

Anyway, whatever form it has, a bridge rectifier has 4 diodes in it. That includes the OEM and/or the Radio Shack one. You test each diode separately using a ohmmeter or continuity light.

To test the rectifier, you connect your tester to one of the yellow leads and ground. Then you switch the test leads on the same yellow/ground pair. It should pass current in one of the hookups but not the other. That tested one of the 4 diodes.

Test the 2nd of 4 diodes the same way, only between the other yellow lead and ground. Should have the same results.

Test the 3rd of 4 diodes the same way, only by connecting the tester between one of the yellow leads and the red lead. Should have the same results

Test the 4th of 4 diodes the same way only by connecting to the other yellow lead and the red lead. Should have the same results.

Note that you have made 8 hookups. It has to pass all 8 to be good.

What causes these rectifiers to go out are loose or corroded battery cable connections on the batteries, on the battery switch, or on the motor (including the ground on the motor). All battery cable (and all rectifier) connnections need to be tight and clean. Another cause is hooking the battery cables up backwards but this doesn't seem to be your situation. I dont think anything would be damaged by running the motor with a dead rectifier.

OMC Stator Coil / Timer Base Wiring
----------------------

YELLOW / YELLOW with GRAY stripe = Battery Charging Coil AC voltage
to Rectifier/Regulator on Assembly
Engine Block

BROWN / BROWN with YELLOW stripe = Charge Coil to Ignition Power Pack
BROWN / BROWN with BLACK stripe = Second Charge Coil to Ignition Power Pack

ORANGE / ORANGE with BLACK stripe = Power Coil to Ignition Power Pack
or OIS Module

Green / Violet / White = Timer Base to Ignition Power Pack
/ Black with White
 

Nutt

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Re: Evinrude 200 ?

Thank you very much for that info. The Tach works fine so it must be the rectifier.
 
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