Experience with "marine superstore"?

Docja

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There's a dealer in Va. that has some amazing prices, 2-3k lower than local. There are several local dealers that service the motor I'm looking at. Will I run into trouble bringing in a boat and motor bought out of state(only one local guy sells the same hull)?
 

ob

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Are you asking in regards to warranty service?
 

Docja

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Yes.and after warranty expires
 

ob

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Should be no problem.Motor warranties should be honored at any authorized dealer.
 
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DJ

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Docja,<br /><br />How would you feel if you owned a store and someone brought you all their problems, but didn't spend any money with you?<br /><br />It's like taking a steak into your favorite restaurant and asking them to cook it and serve it to you for free.<br /><br />They cannot deny you warranty service, however they can make it very inconvenient.<br /><br />Not a good plan.
 

ob

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

With due respect to djohns point of view,considering that the local dealer will be apprised of the fact that you secured your purchase through another dealer instead of his,I don't feel it would be fair practice to treat your warranty any less friendly or willingly than he would a person who purchased from him or just moved to town with a new motor under warranty.2 to 3 G's is a lot of fishing tackle and gas for the same set-up ,providing they are the same.<br /><br /> After all he isn't out of pocket for parts or service for free if the work performed is warranted.It's a manufacturers warranty and he is reimbersed through their program.I personally have never had to take a boat or motor in for warranty work after purchase of three over the last 20 years.Surely he would willingly accept your bussiness for routine maitenance if you choose to have your rig dealer serviced.The choice is yours and if you were really up front with the guy about price and negotiation perhaps you could meet on some middle ground and work a deal.Prices aren't set in stone and if you present figures to him and give him an opportunity to match at or near ,I'm betting he'll work with you.In any case ,good luck with your purchase and decission.
 

plywoody

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

As a boater, I know that I spend lots of money for one thing or another every time I go in to a dealer for whatever reason, it seems. A dealer would be an absolute fool to give you a problem, for this reason, not to mention valuable word of mouth advertising--Negatives spread like wildfire, and positives spread slowly and steadily.<br /><br />That being said, I have bought several units from dealers that have typically higher prices in less volume areas. I have always taken a bona-fide offer to my local dealer, explain that you would prefer doing business with him, but the $$ are too great. See if he can come closer to the price. I always figured that if I could get to a couple of hundred dollars of the offered price by the local dealer I would be better off, in that I would help that dealer out and still get a better deal. And at least make it his choice to accept or reject the deal.<br /><br />Just my $.02 worth<br /><br />John
 
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DJ

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Docja,<br /><br />Plywoody has it right. Take the offer to your local dealer and tell him that you prefer to do business with him. He'll move on the price.
 

ICEMAN

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Sorry this is long, but let's look at reality. Inside and out of the marine industry, a dealer has an obligation to perform warranty work, but what is the dealer being paid, for those services. The manufacturer sets limits on dealers when performing warranty work. Those limits include the amount they will pay (per hour to)the dealer and the amount of time they allow the dealer to perform the work. This payment can be substantially lower than the retail customer pays for service. Some dealers see warranty work as a part of being in business, but a business loss, because they lose income from it. In reference to someone buying from the chain store and then needing "warranty" service. I love the scenario where the guy buys the unit at the chain store "in the box" or off the rack. Gets it home, and can't get it started. Arrives at the dealer and is upset because he just bought it and it doesn't start. The customer is now upset, because of this and the dealer is now put in the middle of a tense situation. The customer has every story in the world, of why he bought it elsewhere and MUST use it this weekend. Believe it or not, the customer expects the dealer to stop his work schedule and fix the motor on the spot, because it is under "warranty." And the local dealer is obligated to do warranty work. BUT, the chain store is required to do warranty work also. The manufacturer states that if you sell the product you must service it. Chain stores do have service centers. You have to package your item and send it there.(you pay shipping, both ways and lose at least a week. If it's not a warranty problem, they send it back saying it's OK. the purchaser might still have the no start problem.) This usually happens in the height of the season. Many times, when the dealer checks it out. It starts right up, and is in good working order. Guess what? There was no problem. The dealer is out the time and money, because there was no warranty problem. The guy at the chain store said, "Yep, this is a great little motor, cash or credit? Thanks, have a nice day. Generally when you buy from a good dealer, he has opened the box, checked out the motor and ran it. Then you come in and he says, "Let me show you the new features and how to operate this unit. The dealer spends time, instructing the customer on the new motor and it's operation. (This is called servicing the customer) He asks, "Do you have any questions? If you do, even after you left, just give us a call. In respect to the price of the chain store versus the dealer. The chain store buys truck loads of these units, (usually at a greatly reduced price, as they are buying quantity) and sends them out to thier retail stores. The dealer buys a lesser amount, he does not have the benefit of the quantity discount pricing. Therefore he pays a higher amount for the unit. Sometimes he may reduce the price to the customer to sell the unit at little or no profit. > The dealer is there to sell and service product. He will service the product he sells. I have seen dealers that will have a full schedule and the chain store customer comes in for "warranty" and the dealer says three to four weeks. Ten minutes later the dealer's customer comes in (with or without warranty work) and the dealer says, "Leave it and we'll check it in the morning. The dealer is servicing both customers, his priorities are just not in favor of the chain store customer. Hopefully now you understand why. ;)
 

ICEMAN

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

One more little thing, As far as parts go, the dealer does not make anything on the parts, the manufacturer supplies the parts at no profit to the dealer.
 

WEH

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Well said, Iceman.
 

mellowyellow

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

just curious, what is total purchase price?<br />$2-3K is a pretty good chunk of change to save.
 

Beaux

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

I agree with M.Yellow. <br />If you are really saving 2-3k, then I would go for it. Even if you have to wait an extra day for service at a local dealer. Also, the local dealer can't blame you for shopping around, if he wanted your business he should have been flexible with his price (if you went and told him what you could get it for at the superstore). I know I will shop around in FL when I buy my next boat as the prices tend to be better over there. I guess it is all the competition. I do the same for cars and wouldn't think twice about taking it to a different dealer for service. Good Luck
 

Titan25

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Doc, I'm familiar with the dealer you mentioned. (Ashland, VA) Based on my previous experience(S) they are NOT customer friendly and I will never deal with them again. I have purchaed through them and they will not stand behind what they sell and will treat you like dirt for questioning them. :mad: They seem to think that they have a never-ending customer base ("We are the largest outboard dealer on the East Coast") and that if they tick one off that two more will step up to take his place. I would also take their price list to my local dealer & try to get him lower his. Just my $.02.
 

mellowyellow

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

the high volume the "superstore" buys/sells most<br />likely means a better price from the mfg...<br />don't really think the little mom/pop shop can<br />match the price.<br />just my .02<br />M.Y.
 

Waterbugtoo

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

This subject is "everyday" to all dealers. The customer wants cheapest price and best service no matter if it takes using multiple dealers to provide such for them. The dealer is strapped to what can be done by themselves, not what others can do. With Merc for instance, warranty claims pay different for different class. A "barely affordable to stay within stats for dealership" dealership gets the minimum, while the platinum dealer having master techs employed reap greatest benefits. A dealer can and usually IS caught in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" scenario. I understand people wanting to save a buck, but retain quality service. The way they go about things though throws loyalty out the window, and that sort of attitude doesnt, in the end, serve anyones best interest in keeping the marine industry strong and dependable for everyones future.<br /><br />Bottom line: Loyalty to a single favorite source, far out weighs in benefits over trying to save a buck!
 

jobassing

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

this is not related to a boat but a bow i found a bow i really liked locally but couldn't buy it at the time later i found the same bow eles were for 150 cheaper and i bought it got it home and hated it i reluctently brought it to the local guy and he spent an hour with me til it was just how i wanted it he was realy nice and didn't blame me for buying it elese were but now becuse of his service i won't buy anywere eles in the future sorry about the spelling
 

mellowyellow

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

it's not the consumers fault, it's the mfg!<br />if they held the price acrss the board, all<br />dealers big and small would be equal. but they<br />get greedy when someone dangles a large order<br />in front of them. I own my own business and<br />believe that the lowest price is not always the<br />best value, but again... $2-3K difference is HUGE<br />to the consumer. I'll wager the superstore even<br />makes more profit than the small dealer at this<br />price too.<br />my .02<br />M.Y.
 

wilde1j

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

This is simple, guys. I am a dealer (my father was). Most problems from ALL customers arrive in the spring, for a variety of reasons. Assume I've got a bunch of MY customers queued with promised "ready" times/dates. You come in with with your "bargain" rig. Clearly, you are now my absolute lowest priority. I won't refuse to work on your motor ... but I'm not going to drop everything for you. Especially since I've got REAL customers in the shop, whom I've sold multiple rigs to over time. <br /><br />This is simple economics for a dealer. He puts his time/effort where the return is the best, at least in terms of ranking what to do next.
 

THE-TAZ

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Re: Experience with "marine superstore"?

Wildeone, I can see your point but REAL customers are earned, not a given. 2-3k is alot of money to some people, not alot to others, but on the other hand the individual that bought the motor elsewhere may still come to you for the other little odds and ends. Not all wallets are thick, but even the one with thin wallets will spend their money with you if you show them you understand their situation. ;)
 
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