Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

beermunk

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

Just my take on new shiny boats vs old faded boats and helping out.

I have an old faded 17' I/O that I own. It's only worth around $2-3K. If I saw someone who needed a tow I wouldn't be so worried about what might happen to my boat as this boat owes me nothing and has plenty of defects.

If I was making payments on a $15-25K boat I would most likely offer a ride or call help but I wouldn't want to risk damaging and devaluing something that I am still paying for. You just can't get that new boat condition back after it's gone (not easily or cheaply at least). People are the same way with cars. My wife is getting a new van but we are keeping her old SUV because she doesn't want me towing with the new vehicle. Believe me, any time something went wrong with her SUV she would say it was a result of towing.

I disagree with your analogy - I tow people out with my 30k truck on a regular basis during the winter. Help people or damage a "thing?" Sounds like you have too much stock in your "things."
 

James P

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I started a thread the other day, "aerator pump elbow just about sunk my boat" I didn't mention the good ole boys that helped me out. About 8 guys in two boats along the bank of a river. They weren't fishing but just hanging out, shirts off, tatoos shining and drinking beer. When I told them I was sinking and coming to shore they hurried over and helped pull the boat to shore. They helped bail water while another guy was working to plug the pump. About an hour later we had it fixed. (Actually had it to where I could motor back). I wanted to buy them a 30 pack but they wouldn't think about it! There's a lot of good people out there. Poor, middle class and rich! There's an old idiom I like to use in life. You can't judge a book by it's cover!
 

scipper77

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I disagree with your analogy - I tow people out with my 30k truck on a regular basis during the winter. Help people or damage a "thing?" Sounds like you have too much stock in your "things."

No, I'm on your side. My wife says to me would you want to tow with your brand new car? I tell her if it's rated to tow I have no problems towing with a new vehicle. It's not abuse to use it as it is designed. Would I pull you out of a ditch with my ford focus?? No way. It's not about "stock in my things" as much as having the right tool for the job. If my brand new boat is not designed to tow anything more than a couple of skiers, I am not prepared to potentially damage the boat by intentionally misusing it. With my old worn out boat the stakes are not so high, I'd be more likely to intentionally abuse that by towing.
 

special_kaye

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

No, I'm on your side. My wife says to me would you want to tow with your brand new car? I tell her if it's rated to tow I have no problems towing with a new vehicle. It's not abuse to use it as it is designed. Would I pull you out of a ditch with my ford focus?? No way. It's not about "stock in my things" as much as having the right tool for the job. If my brand new boat is not designed to tow anything more than a couple of skiers, I am not prepared to potentially damage the boat by intentionally misusing it. With my old worn out boat the stakes are not so high, I'd be more likely to intentionally abuse that by towing.

Talk about towing problems. Looks like the guy down the road had a fire. His tow vehicle caught fire. Right next to his boat. The Honda (?) SUV is totally destroyed and the whole front half of his boat looks burned. I feel for the guy but haven't had a chance to get down there and see what happened.
 

special_kaye

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

The top cap was completely separated from the lower hull, it had 4 or 5 bilge pumps and the seats were lawn chairs screwed down to the plywood deck, which was about 4 layers thick.

OMG, I'd love to see the lawn style deck chairs. I'm starting to look at new seating arrangements and want to check all possibilities.
 

rpg

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I went to lake mead the other day. Second time having my boat out & still working out some minor bugs. Anyways, ignition coil over heated & went out. I was stuck. I tried to flag two other boats down but they just kept on there way. The current ended up pushing me near the marina about 250 feet from the dock. There was a boat launching at the dock. I yelled over to them & asked if they were going out? they replied yes. I then asked if they would please tow me over to the dock & they turned around & ignored me after that. What a bunch of punks! There is a large barrier of tires near the marina & that's where I was at so I just tied the boat up there & waited. The coil had cooled down & it started so I got it over to the dock & loaded her up. I later figured out what was wrong with the coil.

I couldn't believe that nobody would help. About a month ago my buddy was at the lake & saw a guy in a canoe tipped over. He witnessed another boat gey very close & cause waves to crash up against the poor guy in the water. My friend went over & helped him.

Why are people so unwilling to help these days? If I ever saw anyone in trouble in the water I would help right away as it may be a life or death situation when you are in the middle of the water!
I guess we can blame the lawyers. People are afraid of getting sued.
 

reelfishin

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

OMG, I'd love to see the lawn style deck chairs. I'm starting to look at new seating arrangements and want to check all possibilities.

No Lawn Style, just plain lawn chairs with drywall screws holding them in place to the deck. To get the real effect, you need a few rolls of duct tape to fill in the missing webbing too. You then have to put the portable gas tanks under the seats and have about 10' of extra gas line running across the deck to the motor about 6' away. Of course, the proper fix is to lay a few layers of that green indoor/outdoor astroturf carpet over everything to 'hide' the fuel lines.
If the lines don't trip you the carpet will. The best part is the solid plywood windshields, and the section of plywood duct taped to the drivers lawn chair bottom. I guess thats so the driver can stand up on the seat and see over the windshield frame.

He's got a radio, it's dangling from its wires under the dash, and the antenna is what ever came on the boat, and also taped up with duct tape and electrical tape. I think it used to be an 8' antenna, but it's missing a few inches or more from being stepped on. I noticed the other day that he had a new bow eye on the boat, it's an old screen door handle screwed on with lag bolts, I guess the original pulled out or fell off. The anchore line is tied off to the one remaining bow rail post, most of the cleats are either broken or missing, there's one huge cast iron cleat dead center in the rear, mounted to the forward front edge of the splashwell. I noticed the other day that the splashwell has cracked completely through all along the transom edge, and one of the all thread rods that run from the transom, had pulled out of the forward part of the splashwell. Those same rods also act as the top motor bolts.
I tried to take a few pics a while back, I told him we needed some pics of it so the coast guard knew what to look for when it sinks, he got mad and wouldn't let me snap any pics.

What it boils down to is that he's never spent any money on the boat, and never will, if something breaks, he rigs it the best he can with what he has.
By the look of some of the patches on the hull, duct tape and bondo is an acceptable repair too, as is plywood and tar. He's been fixing up a canoe outside too, that's mostly roofing tar and 1/4" plywood. I told him not only will it sink, but you'll be glued to it as well at the bottom of the lake. He's got it coated inside and out with tar, there's nails and screws sticking out all over it, and it's covered in grass and sand from where he had it laying in the yard before the tar hardened up. I can just imagine sitting in that thing in the hot sun on the lake. He did paint it with some green latex paint, it matches his house now. There are spots where the sun melted the tar and the green paint and tar sagged a bit. It's a really special look. I did notice two paddles lying in the canoe a few weeks ago, but they looked permanently adhered to the bottom, at least till the sun comes out and melts them free.

I have a 12' jon boat which he coated the bottom on the same way, it took me two weeks to clean off all the tar with gasoline. When I didn't find any holes or leaks, I asked why he tarred the bottom, and his reason was that it makes the boat quieter and 'Keeps it from flipping'? I guess the 1/2" of tar on the bottom acts as ballast?

I was out in his boat once, never again, not a chance. It was when I first met the guy, and really hadn't gotten a good look at the boat. Once I was in it, I kept planning my escape to shore the whole day. Luckily we didn't go too far out. He had no concerns about the water filling the splashwell or running in over top of it. That was when he knew to run the bilge pumps or start bailing.
 

beermunk

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

No, I'm on your side. My wife says to me would you want to tow with your brand new car? I tell her if it's rated to tow I have no problems towing with a new vehicle. It's not abuse to use it as it is designed. Would I pull you out of a ditch with my ford focus?? No way. It's not about "stock in my things" as much as having the right tool for the job. If my brand new boat is not designed to tow anything more than a couple of skiers, I am not prepared to potentially damage the boat by intentionally misusing it. With my old worn out boat the stakes are not so high, I'd be more likely to intentionally abuse that by towing.

That's completely different. Where on land, towing can cost you a rear end and you need a competent vehicle... on water all you need is enough rope and a few HP to get someone to the dock.

If you can tow "a couple of skiers" with your boat, you can tow ANYTHING less than a river barge into a dock safely. Remember nobody expects you to get up on plane and tow a boat in. You just need to be able to get the person back to their dock safely.
 

special_kaye

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That's completely different. Where on land, towing can cost you a rear end and you need a competent vehicle... on water all you need is enough rope and a few HP to get someone to the dock.

I honestly thought you were going to say, "enough rope to hang yourself."
 

Meadfisher

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I went to lake mead the other day. Second time having my boat out & still working out some minor bugs. Anyways, ignition coil over heated & went out. I was stuck. I tried to flag two other boats down but they just kept on there way. The current ended up pushing me near the marina about 250 feet from the dock. There was a boat launching at the dock. I yelled over to them & asked if they were going out? they replied yes. I then asked if they would please tow me over to the dock & they turned around & ignored me after that. What a bunch of punks! There is a large barrier of tires near the marina & that's where I was at so I just tied the boat up there & waited. The coil had cooled down & it started so I got it over to the dock & loaded her up. I later figured out what was wrong with the coil.

I couldn't believe that nobody would help. About a month ago my buddy was at the lake & saw a guy in a canoe tipped over. He witnessed another boat gey very close & cause waves to crash up against the poor guy in the water. My friend went over & helped him.

Why are people so unwilling to help these days? If I ever saw anyone in trouble in the water I would help right away as it may be a life or death situation when you are in the middle of the water!


I just stumbled across this thread gotta say love it'

all too true and becoming more common @ lake mead, going out as a kid as one or more folks stated earlier "boaters were the friendliest in the community" this is becoming a rare instance, as of lately folks at lake mead are all too consumed w/ me! me ! me!

It was last year when I needed a jump on lake mead, it was just an unfortunate, and unpredictable circumstance, to make a long story short stranded for quite a few hours near calville marina few miles out, and low and behold no power, cant seem to figure out why, duel batts and trolling motor, had no idea why @ this point, finally a boater and his wife stop, the guy yells whats the trouble?, and I reply I need a jump please!, he begins lecturing me stating " You came out here w/ dead batteries?", I replied hmmm NO, everything was working fine til a few hours ago, he continues on and on, for 20 min, stating how un-prepared I am for the water, as soon as my engine was running after the jump I removed the positive plug to come to my conclusion that my alternator had went bad:(, but this "Rich" B@5TArd, and his $200,000 mastercraft went on and on, becaus it was such a major inconvienence to help me and my friends for a few minutes), dude I was so pissed, I cussed that guy all the way bcak to the dock.:mad::mad::mad: Like I just ran out of my house w/ dead batteries and broke down in the middle of the lake just to pi55 on his day, are yo kidding me? Anyway man I can relate that's all.
 
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