Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

marine4003

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

My point was that people just don't lend a hand like they used to. My friend who has been boating for many years has told me that If I ever help someone on the lake & they offer money, Simply tell them instead of giving me any money please do the same for somebody else who needs help one day. I agree!

And don't let the offer of help only include boating......
 

turborich

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

And don't let the offer of help only include boating......

I have also helped people with flat tires & things like that on the road.

I will say that on the road if the family is with me I am a bit hesitant to stop for younger guys by them self. I will always help a female or an elderly person though. Sometimes you just get a bad feeling I guess you could say.
 

MIKEY*2007

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

here down under if you refused a tow you would,nt want to go back to the ramp in a hurry with radio on hand they would be lining up for the first punch he was not a real boatie hope one day poetic justice prevails
 

zach103

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

it just shows you that so many people in this world are so self centered.. i went to work with this guy yesterday.. he drives a chevy 3500 dually with a 15ft trailer. but he goes pretty fast.. well getting on the highway its 2 lanes. so every other person right??? wrong one guy goes in front of us thats ok hes first. our turn. some jack*** with his minivan comes up next to us trying to pass. so my boss hits the gas a little harder.. came down to one lane i think the guy realized if he didn't back off he was gunna crash somehow. . we saw the same thing a little later on. no one ever follows these things anymores. i know its not a law but its just the right thing to do.. ive been towed in once.. no boats in the ten mins i was out there felt like coming and helping me tow in 100yards!! these guy who was coming in decided to give us a hand with his jet ski. he was nice enough to help us later that week tow it over to the ramp.. . no one wants to take their own time and money to help out others and they don't care about others..
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I think so many boaters have such a borderline level of confidence in their ability even to dock or trailer their boat that the thought of the close quarters maneuvering needed to tow a boat safely scares them off.
 

captharv

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

Law ( from the navrules manual) paraphrasing:
"You are required to assist another vessel in distress, or lost, or needing medical aid, unless doing so would endanger your vessel or crew"
read: distress. This is not an engine breakdown, out of gas, etc
Courtesy: help where you can.

Excuse me for being a bit blunt, but read the wole post before flaming me.

Most boaters can't PROPERLY display the hand/body signs of needing assistance, or recognize them.
Item the 1: about 90% of the recreational boaters do not know how to properly tow another vessel, and/or do not have the proper equipment to do so. This requires on the water and classroom training. The rig you use should be made for YOUR boat.
item the next: Would you tow another from a deck cleat?
The "book" says to ask if its backed. Most boat owners don't know waht you are asking or have the ability to know it if they see it.
Item the next: If you manage to get everything connected correctly, what speed do you tow at?
Item the next: how do you communicate with the towed boats people?
Item the next: if you have done everything else right, how do place and secure the other boat to the dock?
The above questions are NOT to be answered in this thread, but are for getting you to think.
Now, all that said, maybe can see wher the next comment comes from. Maybe, just maybe, those other boaters were just plain scared S*#t to tow someone, because they did not know how and have never done it before.
I was in the Coast Guard Auxiliary for 26 years, mostly operational. I taught and tested others on towing skills. I was the "C.G. rescue for the St. Johns river before there was a sea tow. Towed others 253 times that I documented.
Would I tow someone now? That depends on the circumstances. See, the good samaratin rule only goes so far. If a potential tow don't look right for whatever reason, I may refuse, but call on the radio and standby until relieved by competant help. ( Yes, I still carry all the equipment aboard). If someone is sinking, on fire, has a medical situation, or such, no question about it.
Due to potential libility reasons, I will NOT give towing instructions over the web to ANYONE.
Not only is this a me-first generation, its a sue-the-b*****d one also.
 

jeffnick

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

You can get into a heck of a lot more trouble than a little inconvenience if you rely on others when you boat. All the "about me" comments apply to the skipper of the 'disabled' boat who expects someone else to bail him out as well as passerbys who ignore him.

If I can get out on my boat once every 3 weeks with my family, the last thing I want to do is ruin my day by 'rescuing' some moron who doesn't have enough sense to stay ashore. A true emergency, yes, but someone who leaves his brains on the beach, no...you'll just have to wait until someone comes by who enjoys towing idiots.

I wonder who you think should be responsible for your safety if you broke down 50 miles offshore. 'Ever hear of a VHF, or a cell phone and towing coverage?
 

Escape 204 I/O

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I didn't tow this guy, BUT, I came upon a "GO FAST BOAT", with his engine cover up, and I hauled him to shore. Seems he had broken a alternator belt.

Just so happened I had changed the one on ny truck out that week, and had the old one (not much good left in it), in my truck. I gave him the belt, loaned him some tools, took him back. Checked on him later, and all was good. I got my tools back shook his hand, REFUSED his offer for money and wished him a better day.

Last summer about mid way through, a family was at the ramp unloading their boat, only to find that they had evidentally left their key on, and run their battery down. SO, I jump started him, and got him going. He ask me what he owed me, I told him to have fun with his kids.
 

sundowner205

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I bet that after getting stranded and paying $75-100 for a tow...

$300 an hour, minimum 1 hour, + tax is more accurate, at least that is what Seatow charges without a membership.
 

marine4003

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

You can get into a heck of a lot more trouble than a little inconvenience if you rely on others when you boat. All the "about me" comments apply to the skipper of the 'disabled' boat who expects someone else to bail him out as well as passerbys who ignore him.

If I can get out on my boat once every 3 weeks with my family, the last thing I want to do is ruin my day by 'rescuing' some moron who doesn't have enough sense to stay ashore. A true emergency, yes, but someone who leaves his brains on the beach, no...you'll just have to wait until someone comes by who enjoys towing idiots.

I wonder who you think should be responsible for your safety if you broke down 50 miles offshore. 'Ever hear of a VHF, or a cell phone and towing coverage?

great attitude skipper, most of the people i tow aren't "idiots" but normal everyday weekend boaters who had a mechanical problem,had family on board..and didnt ask for my help,i stopped and asked if i can offer assistance,i hold a Six Pack,and have delivered everything from a 28' Moppie to a 65' Bertram sedan deck,have seen lots of broken boats,and never...never, have i encountered someone who didnt deserve help,and some seem to forget we were not born with boating knowledge,we had to learn,just like everyone else.
 

schiprec

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

You can get into a heck of a lot more trouble than a little inconvenience if you rely on others when you boat. All the "about me" comments apply to the skipper of the 'disabled' boat who expects someone else to bail him out as well as passerbys who ignore him.

If I can get out on my boat once every 3 weeks with my family, the last thing I want to do is ruin my day by 'rescuing' some moron who doesn't have enough sense to stay ashore. A true emergency, yes, but someone who leaves his brains on the beach, no...you'll just have to wait until someone comes by who enjoys towing idiots.

I wonder who you think should be responsible for your safety if you broke down 50 miles offshore. 'Ever hear of a VHF, or a cell phone and towing coverage?

Boating time is always family time for us . If we stop to help with a tow or some tools thats fine. We're still on the boat. I don't enjoy towing idiots but we have, to the nearest safe area.

I feel a strange need to be a good example to my family and peers.
I have been towed a couple of times over the last 40yrs. I don't think I'm an idiot , I'll ask my wife
 

scipper77

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I'm going to start up a spin off thread, How many boaters have you helped on the water this year??

I think I will learn a lot about what kind of problems people get into on the water and how to help out when the opportunity presents itself.
 

AguaSki

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I may have a different take on this. In my 4 seasons as a boater I have towed every stranded boater that I have come across. That equals about 6 tows that I can remember, and includes a go fast boat just last weekend. I have also been towed by other boaters. I generally agree that towing a stranded boater is the right thing to do. With that said, every time I encounter a stranded boater, I have to seriously weigh in my mind if providing towing assistance is the right thing to do. We live in a society of frivolous law suits, and towing someone could expose you to a frivolous suit. The professional towing companies carry a great deal of insurance to protect them from law suits, and they carry this insurance for reason. Additionally, I have to think about the safety of my family which is usually on the boat with me. I suppose that there will be a situation in the future when I do decline providing towing assistance. I will always render help, but the right circumstances could force me to stop short of providing a tow.
 

jeffnick

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

great attitude skipper, most of the people i tow aren't "idiots" but normal everyday weekend boaters who had a mechanical problem,had family on board..and didnt ask for my help,i stopped and asked if i can offer assistance,i hold a Six Pack,and have delivered everything from a 28' Moppie to a 65' Bertram sedan deck,have seen lots of broken boats,and never...never, have i encountered someone who didnt deserve help,and some seem to forget we were not born with boating knowledge,we had to learn,just like everyone else.

Like I said, this is the guy you need to wait for.
 

Expidia

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I hate to play the devils advocate here, but I too don't relish the idea of trying to tow someone where I could dent my boat or scratching up the plastic housing on my Merc, especially since my rig is only a 15 footer. Those cleats are meant to tie the boat to the dock, not for towing a go fast boat!

I actually love seeing go fast boats break down. They should drive them up onto the rocks too. They should not be allowed on our lakes. Let them use them offshore :D

I bought a new rig with a new motor, took a boating course and keep my boat up maintenance wise. I bought a VHF with an 8 foot antenna and also carry a handheld and a cell phone since I'm out on big waters.

I would pull up if they were displaying a distress flag or in real trouble of course. I would also offer to run their family members into a marina.

But I'm not a tow service and I didn't spend all this money on my boat to ruin my day towing some yahoo in because he's got this old boat or an old motor and he's out in the middle of the lake.

I too would pick up my VHF and call help for him before towing. I see boats breaking down all the time, but they shouldn't be out there in the first place with a poorly maintained or an old boat.

Unless they are in immediate distress, I'm not a tow service.

Just my opinion.
 

reelfishin

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I think there may actually be a legal responsibility here to help a stranded boater or boater in danger, provided that it doesn't present a danger to your own vessel of the lives of your crew.

I'd have to do some digging, but I seem to remember reading something to that effect in either a coast guard manual or boater safety manual.

There's no excuse not to give someone a tow, especially that short a distance.

I often take along a super size trolling motor just in case when I am doing a test and tune run. Its gotten me out of a jam a few times.
 

Ishboo25

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I can say I have yet to see a fellow boater stranded, but if I ever do, I would be more than happy to help out towing or whatever need be :)
 

CATransplant

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I always offer assistance, and have towed a few boats with my 12' tinny. But, for myself, I never count on anyone else to help if I have trouble. I have an electric trolling motor on my transom...it rarely gets used for fishing, so the battery is always charged fully. I also have a pair of oars tucked into the seat braces as a last resort. So far I haven't ever had to use them.

On larger boats, oars aren't much use, of course, but having some sort of alternative to push the boat seems like a must to me. A kicker motor really needs to be on most boats, I think, although that's a tough thing to do on I/O boats, I guess.
 

MTribe08

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

But I'm not a tow service and I didn't spend all this money on my boat to ruin my day towing some yahoo in because he's got this old boat or an old motor and he's out in the middle of the lake.

So everybody that has an old boat or old motor is a "Yahoo" and shouldn't be out in the water? Remember, just because you have a new rig with a new motor and do all your maintenance doesn't exempt you from having trouble on the water.
 
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