Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

jeffnick

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

Here's a note from a friend of mine...

The guy ran out of fuel, we saw him jump in the cold water and try to tow the boat back to the dock with his family aboard by swimming with the rope in his hand. We got in the dinghy and towed him back to the dock. The owner was an idiot. I told him to trailer the engine all the way up and not steer. He would do neither and kept steering out of phase with me, so back and forth we went. I finally got him back. Later, one of the marina guys told me he is a dry stack customer and only put in 16 bucks worth of gas before he left the marina that morning.
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These guys are out in droves. If I stopped for everyone 'needing help', my whole day would be shot.
 

Tim Frank

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

ive just re read this entire post......

some of the attitudes here are truly disturbing to me.....

i have a lot to say about this but im just going to say.......

.....if you dont help.....shame on you.......

It seems clear that the strong majority who posted are in the Good Samaritan camp.
For the remainder.... just underscores that there is no "I" in "B-O-A-T-E-R"" but there are two in "I-D-I-O-T".
 

fishmen111

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

ive just re read this entire post......
some of the attitudes here are truly disturbing to me.

To say the least! Turbo, unfortunately you suffered some of the selfishness that thank goodness, is the minority among boaters. Please do not allow their elitist attitudes to sway your helping someone else in the future. Who knows...it may be one of their gold-plated hulls you tow in!!!
 

marine4003

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What amazes me is that some folks categorize "everyone who's broken down" as an idiot,that's a broad spectrum,and a false assumption.sure,your gonna get 10% of the people are clueless,but then that relates to society in general, so to categorize everyone who's broken down as a waste of your time,is at best totally arrogant and selfish,when i hook up a tow,i explain how its gonna happen,if there is any discord from the towee,then i have the option to cease, and have done so a coupla times,but i will call SeaTow for them. 99% of the time, i also am with my family,and guess what..there's nothing wrong with setting a good example for my kid. So the next time your "perfect" boat breaks down on a stormy night,and the electrics are down..no VHF...no lights...no cell, pray its not someone with a bad attitude as your only means of rescue...and if that seems far fetched...Remember, ANYTHING can happen,especially while boating.
 

GlasV162

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I've never left a boater stranded. From the time my Dad let me take his boat out alone, I've always offered assistance to boaters in need, and most people have accepted--I've even towed in sailboats after the wind stopped. And I've never taken a dime for gas.

I try hard to maintain my equipment, and fortunately, I've only needed a tow a handful of times. I've had people help, and I've had people ignore me. When you wave for help and people just fly by you as if nothing's wrong, it's enough to really p*ss you off.

My wife and I value our time on the water, as I'm sure all the readers here do.
However, we don't value it so much as to ignore another boater in need. A sunny summer afternoon on the lake is a great feeling. To those of you reading this who would rather go about your fun than help a needy boater, try helping someone out one time. You will feel just as good after helping them as you would have spending the afternoon cruising the lake. That's a promise.
 

flingus

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

I have to say, I'm new to boating and have done all I can to keep from being one of those 'idiots' on the water. I have oars on board but, its a 22 foot boat. I have two batteries but, still worry about them going dead if I turn the boat off when I'm anchored.. I also have a radio though, I admit I haven't really tried to use it. I do however have a cell phone that works on the lake, and have towing included in my boat insurance.

That being said, I would still offer to help anyone in need. Luckily, seems like most people here would do the same so, thats nice to hear. With all the comments on this topic though, I think I'll read up on how to tow/be towed so I don't cause any additional problems.

My biggest worry is the battery going dead if I listen to the radio while the engine is off, or the blower running the battery dead. I have bad images of old episodes of Miami Vice, where a boat would blow up when someone starts it. Lol. I run the blower constantly!

Anyway, everyone be cool out there. No one is perfect and sh*t happens. As long as its safe, offer help. ;)

Flingus

Oh yeah, seen two boats this season broke down. (This is in two months of boating) Both had been helped by fellow boaters to the dock.
 

marine4003

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I have to say, I'm new to boating and have done all I can to keep from being one of those 'idiots' on the water. I have oars on board but, its a 22 foot boat. I have two batteries but, still worry about them going dead if I turn the boat off when I'm anchored.. I also have a radio though, I admit I haven't really tried to use it. I do however have a cell phone that works on the lake, and have towing included in my boat insurance.

That being said, I would still offer to help anyone in need. Luckily, seems like most people here would do the same so, thats nice to hear. With all the comments on this topic though, I think I'll read up on how to tow/be towed so I don't cause any additional problems.

My biggest worry is the battery going dead if I listen to the radio while the engine is off, or the blower running the battery dead. I have bad images of old episodes of Miami Vice, where a boat would blow up when someone starts it. Lol. I run the blower constantly!

Anyway, everyone be cool out there. No one is perfect and sh*t happens. As long as its safe, offer help. ;)

Flingus

Oh yeah, seen two boats this season broke down. (This is in two months of boating) Both had been helped by fellow boaters to the dock.

Welcome to iboats..heads up on the two battery deal,the selector switch has 1 - 2 - both and off...best bet is have the deep cycle on #1....Starting battery on #2 so when your listening to tunes keep the switch to #1...that way if you run it down..you can switch to #2 and push water, nothing wrong with running the blower..safe is better. again..Welcome.
 

rolmops

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

Every story has two sides.
I used to be very helpful and more than happy to give a helping hand.
2 things that happened within a week's period of time changed all of that.
I towed a jet flea over a distance of 4 miles back to their dock and in the end there was not even a thank you.3 days later I helped some kids with a tow to the dock and then an hour later I caught them red handed siphoning gas from my car.
I guess that there is a reason why some people get stuck on the lake and maybe they deserve it.
That being said,I would never abandon a boater stranded far out on the lake,but if it is within easy swimming distance of the dock....let them swim.
 

Hitech

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I'm certainly glad the person who towed me in didn't have the prior experiences that some of you had. However, my wife hysterically crying and asking them to come get me (she was at the dock) would have probably changed their minds anyway. They were at the dock and came out to get me (probably a mile or so out).

I've since learned how to paddle a power boat (wish I knew that then).
 

AguaSki

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I have witnessed the local water Sheriff, and a National Park Ranger at Lake Powell decline providing towing assistance to stranded boaters. I believe that the U.S. Coast Guard will also refuse towing assistance if there is not immediate danger. If these public safety organizations will refuse towing service to a stranded boater, why should a recreational boater have an obligation to tow someone? In the cases I witnessed, the Sheriff and Park Ranger each took time to verify that the situation was not dangerous, and then they called a professional towing service. I think the Coast Guard will also call a professional towing service for you. As I mentioned in my original post, I have always helped every stranded boater I have come across, but with the threat of litigation or the danger that assisting a stranger could pose to my family, there may come a day when I refuse towing someone back to the marina. I will always provide a level of assistance that is at least equal to what I have observed public safety officials providing. I don't think the standard of assistance required from a recreational boater should be higher than what public safety officials will provide.
 

MTribe08

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I am familiar with this story. I have a brother that lives in the area (Buckeye, AZ) where this went down, and a cousin that booked these punks into jail. Very sad story, and it does make you stop to think about the danger faced by any Good Samaritan.

Hey I noticed you're from Anthem when reading one of your posts a few days ago. I'm down in Surprise. I was up in Anthem a few weeks back for a baseball camp I did, I played in the Royals organization last year and we put on a camp for some local kids up there. Great little town you have going there. Do you mainly boat Lake Pleasant?

Yes, this was a very sad story indeed. I hope Sheriff Joe puts those punks away for ever.
 

jfkkesler

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I have had to be towed in twice now. Once due to my dog clutch going out on me (previous owner had not properly adjusted shift cable, and it happened to go out on me on opening day of crab season) and the second due to a small craft getting stuck in really nasty weather. Both times I had at least one (3 in the case of the dog clutch) boat pass me by as I was waiving my arms over my head like a distress signal. One of the passing boats even had the balls to wave back. Ever since then, I tell all passengers in my boat that if we see a boat in distress, we pull up our gear and help. I have rescued one boat already, towed them a mile up river, and would do it again in a heartbeat.
 

flingus

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

Welcome to iboats..heads up on the two battery deal,the selector switch has 1 - 2 - both and off...best bet is have the deep cycle on #1....Starting battery on #2 so when your listening to tunes keep the switch to #1...that way if you run it down..you can switch to #2 and push water, nothing wrong with running the blower..safe is better. again..Welcome.

Thanks for the advice, I'll have to see how the batteries are setup. I think I've just been leaving the switch on "both", and of course using "off" when I store the boat. Makes sense though, if I'm going to sit and listen to music or whatever, better to have one battery go dead instead of both! I have a lot of reading ahead of me before next season.
 

reelfishin

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Re: Fellow boater wouldn't help tow me in

Providing assistance doesn't necessarily mean towing them in.
But if their vessel is sinking, you are required to assist in anyway possible, provided that you don't endanger your own boat or crew. That means not to over load your boat, or cause yourself any damage.
If you can't tow them, it's your duty to help any way you can, even if it's only to call for help and stand by. It's not your responsibility to recover the boat, but it is yours to make sure they are safe or that the Coast Guard is alerted.
Towing a boat is up to you, and if done right, shouldn't damage either boat.
Slack must be taken up slowly and towing should be done slowly.
I've pulled boats far larger than mine and have even towed some pretty big boats even with my 12' aluminum boat with a 6hp motor. It don't take much to get a boat moving on the water. I wouldn't have tried it in any serious current but I had no problem towing a 19' ski boat up stream in the river. I simply took my time and just kept it moving. I also attached the rope with a knot that I could pull loose in a split second if needed. I towed that boat up to the dock and got out of the way so they could drift into the launch ramp area.

That boat had to weigh in at over 2500 lbs, mine at about 650 or so with me in it. They had motor trouble and were on the water for the first time that season and apparently hadn't winterized the motor over the winter and the motor took on water and seized. The boat looked like new. They had gotten only about a mile from where they launched when it quit.
I was on my way back to the ramp when I saw them, they actually didn't flag me down but I stopped after I saw them bailing water from the engine compartment and sitting off to the side of the channel in the reeds. It only took me a minute to decide that they had to be towed, the water in the boat wasn't the problem but it was getting dark and a call to Sea Tow would have left them there well into the night. I just grabbed a rope they already had tied to the bow eye and tied off to one of my transom handles, which aren't super sturdy but they never moved and I figured that the 6hp would never apply any real force. It took me only about 15 minutes to get them back to the dock, they loaded at the only ramp, I loaded mine along side of the ramp. They were nice enough to offer to pay but I refused. That incident was simply a case of a newbie not knowing anything about their boat. If they had been told to winterize it, it most likely never sank in. I told them the manifold and risers were cracked, (visibly cracked and spewing water), but they had no clue what I meant.

A newbie on the water who don't know don't bother me as bad as the guy who's been boating for years and constantly takes risks, even though he knows better. I've seen boats out there in such disrepair it's amazing they still float.
I had a neighbor with a 15' trihull with a 115hp Johnson V4, (has an 85hp max), which had a section of 4x6" lumber and several long pieces of all thread through the rotted transom, with two pieces of 2x6" wood shoved down in inside the transom to keep from crushing the two lone layers of glass. There was no sign of wood left in the transom. There was a load of silicone all around the edges of the transom where cracks had opened up as well. The top cap was completely separated from the lower hull, it had 4 or 5 bilge pumps and the seats were lawn chairs screwed down to the plywood deck, which was about 4 layers thick. The boat must have weighed about a ton due to the soaked foam and wet wood on the deck, they had a 140qt cooler screwed to the bow across the front, the bow rider seats were replaced with plywood with holes drilled in it for holding rods, and there was a dozen or more holes in the gunwale tops with siliconed in PVC pipe sections for rod holders. The fuel tanks were shoved under the lawn chair seats, with the fuel lines laying out open on the floor. The dash was gutted, only a steering wheel. The middle windshield section was gone, the two side sections were plywood. To his benefit, there were four fire extinguishers, and a dozen or more life vests all about the little boat. The owner regularly runs this boat out in the open bay, and even the ocean, and has for may years. I've even fixed a few things on it for him, but I often feel I'm only prolonging the inevitable. I asked him the other day if he's ever done the spark plugs or water pump in that motor, he said it works fine and don't fix what's not broke. He feels that since he's in his 80's, any money he puts into it will just be a waste since he most likely won't live long enough to get his money back. That was the same thing he told me a few years back when I first saw the boat. One of these days I'll take some pics of it, it's that bad.
 

reelfishin

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Where did this take place? In other words, where do you boat?

I had gone out of Bay Point that day since I was in a boat which was new to me. I normally don't launch down there but I was taking a potential buyer for a sea test and they lived down that way. I was selling the motor, not the boat.
(The buyer bought the motor a few days later).
It was after dark by the time they got loaded, I was in shock that anyone would take a boat that leaked that bad into the bay. I can see a few gallons over the course of a day but at the rate that thing was taking on water, it's only a matter of time before it sinks.
I'm not sure where they were from, the truck had out of state tags but the boat was NJ.
I normally launch farther north with my boat or run out of one of the rivers.
 

reelfishin

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What amazes me is that some folks categorize "everyone who's broken down" as an idiot,that's a broad spectrum,and a false assumption.sure,your gonna get 10% of the people are clueless,but then that relates to society in general, so to categorize everyone who's broken down as a waste of your time,is at best totally arrogant and selfish,when i hook up a tow,i explain how its gonna happen,if there is any discord from the towee,then i have the option to cease, and have done so a coupla times,but i will call SeaTow for them. 99% of the time, i also am with my family,and guess what..there's nothing wrong with setting a good example for my kid. So the next time your "perfect" boat breaks down on a stormy night,and the electrics are down..no VHF...no lights...no cell, pray its not someone with a bad attitude as your only means of rescue...and if that seems far fetched...Remember, ANYTHING can happen,especially while boating.

I can't fault older boats, or the occasional break down, it's those that don't maintain their boat, new or old.
It's sort of a "It can't happen to me" attitude, until it does, and they're totally surprised by it or mad that they go stranded.

It's not something that's particular to any one area, I've lived in various places and I've seen it everywhere. I can even recall having a guy flag me down after his boat failed to start on a lake one day, up in PA, the boat was severely overloaded, to the point where I didn't dare climb aboard his boat without several of his passengers having to exit to my boat. The motor, an older V6 had no cover and had one of those universal horn buttons on the transom for a starter switch. The controls were rigged, one control for throttle, another for shifting. The starter had burned up after they choked it to death. I was able to start it using a rope, but also ended up taking several of his passengers back to his dock on my boat fearing that they'd capsize being so overloaded. The passengers didn't argue, and it was suggested by a fish and game officer who had also stopped after I got the motor running. I offered in lieu of them getting fined for being overloaded.
The six girls that I took back to the dock were glad to be out of that situation from what I could tell. I'm not sure how long they were sitting there before I got there. The boat had a capacity of 11 and had 17 on board, and by the look of it shouldn't have even been on the water.

There's no reason to not be safe, if it's a money issue, is it worth taking chances going out in a boat that's not safe?
I worry about my own boats which I feel are pretty well maintained, I can't imagine how I'd feel if I were out there in something I knew had all sorts of problems brewing.
 

marine4003

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RF,
That makes sense,although,as i have stated before,around here the poorly maintained boats are very few and far between,perhaps further inland there are more "floating disasters" but perhaps its the presence of LEO's or a better economy allowing folks to buy decent boats instead of junk,all the tows i've done were on nicely maintained boats,and the problems were mechanical,above the ability's of the boater to fix.further,my statements were directed more towards those "who cant be bothered" by helping someone,based on a few isolated incidents,sure i would be disgruntled if i had back to back bad experiences towing,but it may just be me...but i was taught by my Father that i have an OBLIGATION to assist a stranded boater ,so i guess my justifications are born of upbringing.
 

mthieme

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The last two boats I towed in were NEW.
One was the maiden voyage of a Trakker deck boat - outdrive lasted less than 2 hours. (Boat went back three times with different major problems).
The other was a Jet Ski new that season.
Most people have offered a little money for fuel.
In other cases, I've left the coziness of my living room to go out in the dark to rescue friends (twice - once was that new Trakker with a subsequent issue - NEW motor died).
Heck, I can remember as a tyke in my rowboat pulling someone up the creek.
Things sure are are different here on the Chesapeake.

What I think of people who unwilling to at least stop and check due to there own selfish reasons (my time, my boat - whatever) can be expressed here without my being barred!
As a couple people mentioned/implied, you can not count on the CG, AUX (or DNR) either. I have seen them speed away on more than one occasion which contributes to my low opinion of them including one potentially life threatening incident 60 miles offshore. On two personal occasions when having troubles, I was merely easy prey for them to "check" and harass me (AUX was the worst).

I say to all the recreational boaters that feel compelled to help out, THANK YOU and please visit the Cheaspeake as you'll be in good company.
 

jay_merrill

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Of the agencies in my area, the Louisiana Dept. of Wildlife & Fisheries seems to be the best about doing tows. I even had a guy give me a tow one day when I really didn't need it.

I had a problem with my '72 J65 about a year ago, which turned out to be both an ignition problem (power pack & timer base) and some junk in the bottom carb. The motor would run, but I wasn't sure exactly what was going on, and didn't want to take a chance on running the motor with a lean cylinder. That being the case, I fired up my trusty old '69 J6 kicker and began the trip back to the launch. One of the LA DWF guys happened to come along and asked me if I wanted a tow. I told him that I was fine, but he was insistent so I threw him a line. We did get back to the ramp a little quicker than I would have on my own, so the tow was appreciated.

We have a CG Aux unit in my area, but I rarely see them at all, never mind doing tows. From what I have observed, they seem to be more focused on boater education and courtesy safety checks at rampside. That's not surprising though, because those two items are the main focus of most CG Aux units nationwide.

In regard to USCG units, it is my understanding that they have very much shifted their marine operations to rescue work that involves boaters in immediate danger. I know that on the SARs I have participated in, the USCG usually suspends operations at whatever point it is believed that the mission has shifted from search & rescue, to search & recovery. Once the latter mission profile is deemed to be in effect, search activities are carred out by the LA DWF.

In cases where a boat has been reported to the USCG as merely disabled, CG Sector New Orleans makes frequent broadcast on Channel 16, requesting boater assistance. They will go out and get someone if they have to, but they very much try to get other mariners to assist the distressed boater.

I think the reason for the overall stance by the USCG is more related to budget than anything else. They have always been underfunded and these days, the USCG has been asked to do an awful lot. Between overseas port security (Iraq) domestic port security, drug interdiction, environmental monitoring/response, aids to navigation responsibilities, and SAR, the USCG has a lot on its plate, with darn little money to do it all.
 

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I've been on the Chesapeake 47 years. Never once saw AUX, DNR, or USCG do a tow. I've seen plenty of searches after the fact, this is an annual event.
I guess they have more money to go looking for your carcass for a week and clear the waterways of the debris than send one boat after you (?).
I'm glad the attitude is more positive in LA.
Money and workload are an issue everywhere in government(s).
I've worked for feds and locals for the past 24 years.
They can pull it out of somewhere when they want to...seen it done many times.
USCG had an army out looking for the younger Kennedy when he crashed his plane in the drink. I'm sure that was costly.
Seems to me if Joe Plumber calls channel 16 with a legitimate May Day they would have a liability issue at that point.
Although, at in my County, if you call 911 for help, they are not obligated legally to show up. (and that happened as the result of multiple instances involving fatalities to avoid liability).
I make these points so others might be more self-sufficient.
I've worked public safety the past 7 years. When asked, I advise to have a first responders medical bag and a gun (for home).
 
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