Fines on the Water?

[H20Rat]

Re: Fines on the Water?

Let's say for the sake of argument that your engine wiring caught on fire.
Now, your extinguisher is empty because you had been fighting the fire,

I see you and rush over to assist you with your fire and to bring your passengers aboard for safety. I reach for my extinguisher and realize I left it at home along with my throwable device.

Most states/CG regs require a type B1 or BII fire extinguisher, good for liquid fires, NOT electrically fueled fires. (thats a type C)


Obviously some laws are there for the greater good, but some enforcement is done without common sense and to make a buck. (see the example above about a throwable cushion, with one guy in the boat!!)

 

[Home Cookin']

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I maintain my position: "my flares were going to expire the end of july. I totally forgot about it, and was out august 4th" is not a circumstance that warrants a fine. That's the one I'm commenting on.

 

[Tig]

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I always figured the throwable cushion is not for me, it's for me to throw to someone else. eg: Someone I come across who is freaking out and may drag me in or upset my boat or perhaps they are just too big or tired to climb in my boat.

 

[swift1]

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By the way, does your GPS readout in knots? .... because 41 knots is 47 MPH.

Nope, GPS is in MPH and 41 is the max I've had my 3.0 go - funny coincidence though! Also, I had it at WOT when the police went by me, so at first I thought it was speed related, but I was in the middle of the lake - just a random spot check.

 

[eli_lilly]

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So... Here is what you tell officer friendly. If these flares are expired, you won't mind if I fire a couple off into your boat, because obviously they don't work because they are past an arbitrary date on the package...

I also read the Florida Sportsman forums. One of the forum regulars had his boat catch fire last year. As an emergency signal, he used both his in-date flares and his expired flares. He was surprised to find that several of the expired flares would not ignite.

-E

 

[Home Cookin']

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USCG does an "old flare burn" around here on occasion. I wonder if anyone tracks the effectiveness of expired ones. Of course, it's a factor of how long expired and how stored; some can get right soggy in a work boat environment.

 

[This_lil_fishy]

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In Ontario a flashlight is acceptable as a visual warning device (flare). I had flares on my old boat, that were about 20 years expired...and two flashlights with spare batteries for both. Oddly enough on July 1st I figured I use them up...and they didn't do anything...(the flares).

I just keep flashlights on board now, as I also agree that very few people would respond to a flare around here anyhow... I should get a Harbor licence..I cruise Toronto Islands all the time...

Ian

 

[northernmerc]

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Here's something I could use advice on.

Personally, I don't have a problem with drinking a beer or two while out fishing. But the authorities around here take a different view from mine. So I obey the law and don't bring liquor on board.

That is unless my rowdy son and his friends decide to come along. To tell them to keep their beer on shore would result in a battle, which I'm guaranteed to lose. They always have some smart answer, something like they'll drink the beer real fast if they see the fish cops coming and say they picked up the empties floating in the lake.

Any ideas on how to deal with this? I really don't want a ticket and don't want to lose the boat or gear if impounded.

 

[70Torino]

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QUOTE However I disagree with posts that "it's about the money." The officers don't get the money or even a commission, thank Cod, and their departments probably don't get the money. Fines go to general fund and court expenses. There is no financial motivation at the officer's level.
END QUOTE


Don't agree, next time you get a ticket, ask for the break down on where the money goes. You will see "training, sheriff fund, etc, etc. if that's not motivating to our H2O Cops....

 

[asm_]

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I'm going to bet this lake around my area would likely top the list as the most money hungry lake.

There is small lake around my area. They have rules that govern the type of boats (motor boat vs sail boat) allow in the water depending on the time o the day, the day of the week and week of the month. They even designated 2 hours time slot for testing motor. Therefore, testing motor during any time is considered as a violation of the rules.

With all these rules, here is kicker. I have was told by the park ranger that if my accidentally put my boat in the water on the wrong day or wrong time, the ticket is $2500. $2500!! He did also emphasis that "boat in the water" is defined as any part of the boat touchs the water, even while it is still on trailer and on the ramp.

Of course, I have never gone back to that lake ever since...

 

[70Torino]

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I'm going to bet this lake around my area would likely top the list as the most money hungry lake.

There is small lake around my area. They have rules that govern the type of boats (motor boat vs sail boat) allow in the water depending on the time o the day, the day of the week and week of the month. They even designated 2 hours time slot for testing motor. Therefore, testing motor during any time is considered as a violation of the rules.

With all these rules, here is kicker. I have was told by the park ranger that if my accidentally put my boat in the water on the wrong day or wrong time, the ticket is $2500. $2500!! He did also emphasis that "boat in the water" is defined as any part of the boat touchs the water, even while it is still on trailer and on the ramp.

Of course, I have never gone back to that lake ever since...

Dude what state and is the name of that hell lake, just wondering cuz you won't find me there even bank fishing.

 

[smokeonthewater]

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Here's something I could use advice on.

Personally, I don't have a problem with drinking a beer or two while out fishing. But the authorities around here take a different view from mine. So I obey the law and don't bring liquor on board.

That is unless my rowdy son and his friends decide to come along. To tell them to keep their beer on shore would result in a battle, which I'm guaranteed to lose. They always have some smart answer, something like they'll drink the beer real fast if they see the fish cops coming and say they picked up the empties floating in the lake.

Any ideas on how to deal with this? I really don't want a ticket and don't want to lose the boat or gear if impounded.

The same way I handled it last summer when I smelled pot and looked back to see my friends smoking a joint on my boat..... I shut it down instantly and blew up "throw that blank blank blank in the blank water right blank now or I'm gonna throw you in the blank water, what the blank is wrong with you?"

These guys already knew I have a cdl and they knew I can lose it on a first offense if I get blamed for their drugs and they knew to keep it away from me but chose to bring it anyway. At first they thought it was funny until they realized I really was gonna make em swim back to shore and walk home.

If a passenger can't respect you when you take them on your boat then they can stay on shore..... Tell him that if the beer is more important to him than respecting his father then he can get his own boat.

 

[Sea'Scape]

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In Ontario a flashlight is acceptable as a visual warning device (flare). I had flares on my old boat, that were about 20 years expired...and two flashlights with spare batteries for both. Oddly enough on July 1st I figured I use them up...and they didn't do anything...(the flares).
Ian

Not quite correct. In Canada, the requirement is based upon boat length. 6 metres and under, either a flashlight or three flares. Over 6 metres to 9 metres, a flashlight and six flares.

The regulations are not provincial, but are Transport Canada.

 

[asm_]

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Dude what state and is the name of that hell lake, just wondering cuz you won't find me there even bank fishing.

You had to ask. California, Kern County, Lake Ming....

By the way, fishing from boat is also not allow. Bank fishing only from designated area during certain time of the year only. Didn't bother asking how much was the fine if I put the line in the water at wrong time. I already made up my mind that I wasn't going to visit the lake again anyway.

 

[Bayliner175xt]

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Hi there. Lucky your not in Australia some of our fines are more than triple that.
I seen a guy get a $550 fine because his rego numbers where 50mm to small.!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bayliner175xt]

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Dude what state and is the name of that hell lake, just wondering cuz you won't find me there even bank fishing.

Holy F______g moly that fine is crazy and you def want find me there LMAO

Not even if i lived in your country and hadn't seen water for 100 years would i go near that place.

 

[RickJ6956]

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To tell them to keep their beer on shore would result in a battle, which I'm guaranteed to lose. They always have some smart answer, something like they'll drink the beer real fast if they see the fish cops coming and say they picked up the empties floating in the lake.

Any ideas on how to deal with this? I really don't want a ticket and don't want to lose the boat or gear if impounded.

You're kidding, right? If it was my son it wouldn't be much of a battle: Either lose the beer or stay on shore.

 

[Bob's Garage]

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1. i never stay out anywhere close to dusk 2. the boat had 5 hours on it and i told them i got pulled by Toronto last time i was out. i have been on lake ontario 3 times total this year. been sticking to simcoe latley

Note; 1.Flairs are not just for use at night.
2. Boats have sunk in their 1st hour of use. And so what.

 

[Bob's Garage]

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Here's something I could use advice on.

Personally, I don't have a problem with drinking a beer or two while out fishing. But the authorities around here take a different view from mine. So I obey the law and don't bring liquor on board.

That is unless my rowdy son and his friends decide to come along. To tell them to keep their beer on shore would result in a battle, which I'm guaranteed to lose. They always have some smart answer, something like they'll drink the beer real fast if they see the fish cops coming and say they picked up the empties floating in the lake.

Any ideas on how to deal with this? I really don't want a ticket and don't want to lose the boat or gear if impounded.

Are you really the father, boat owner, boat Captain?

If your son has so little respect for your wishes and concerns, and needs his beer that badly, there are more problems in this situation than can be solved on the internet.

 

[Bob's Garage]

Re: Fines on the Water?

I'm going to bet this lake around my area would likely top the list as the most money hungry lake.

There is small lake around my area. They have rules that govern the type of boats (motor boat vs sail boat) allow in the water depending on the time o the day, the day of the week and week of the month. They even designated 2 hours time slot for testing motor. Therefore, testing motor during any time is considered as a violation of the rules.

With all these rules, here is kicker. I have was told by the park ranger that if my accidentally put my boat in the water on the wrong day or wrong time, the ticket is $2500. $2500!! He did also emphasis that "boat in the water" is defined as any part of the boat touchs the water, even while it is still on trailer and on the ramp.

Of course, I have never gone back to that lake ever since...

Where is this little slice of heaven?

Sounds like the community has decided they do not want boats on the water at all, and chose this method to dissuade people from enjoying the water.

Not exactly a tourist trap!!