Fines on the Water?

[northernmerc]

Re: Fines on the Water?

Are you really the father, boat owner, boat Captain?

If your son has so little respect for your wishes and concerns, and needs his beer that badly, there are more problems in this situation than can be solved on the internet.

Actually, we get along very well. For the most part, I'm just one of the guys; I don't order my adult kids around. No one wants to be a spoil sport and tell others they can't have a beer on their day off.

 

[Andy'sDelight]

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Actually, we get along very well. For the most part, I'm just one of the guys; I don't order my adult kids around. No one wants to be a spoil sport and tell others they can't have a beer on their day off.

I'd never tell and adult they couldn't have a beer on their day off. I'd tell them they can't have a beer on MY boat. They could then choose to have that beer elsewhere if it's that important to them. If I am the one to take the hit in fines/loss of license, you can be damn sure I ain't allowing it on my boat.

 

[Bob's Garage]

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Actually, we get along very well. For the most part, I'm just one of the guys; I don't order my adult kids around. No one wants to be a spoil sport and tell others they can't have a beer on their day off.

This is your concept of your relationship. But that was not what you said in your previous post.

So, if that is what you want then you will need to accept the results of your failure to control your own space.

I would suggest an open discussion with your son as to the consequences for you, of his actions. If he is old enough to drink, he should be old enough to understand the position he is putting you in.

But we digress, and are hijacking this post.

Sorry.

 

[mrz333]

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I guess I'm crazy wanting to do things by the book. I figure it just takes that one time and someone gets hurt or worse. What I see, ALL THE TIME, are captains pushing the limits and then some. Example: A captain is responsible for his boats' wake. The other day a 40'+ Regal went down the channel at the posted limit of 30 mph leaving a huge wake without regard for any of the boats around him. He passed a poor guy in a kayak rowing outside the marked channel throwing him right into the mangroves and then he sent a family with kids aboard a pontoon boat on a dangerous roller coaster ride. For someone like that there isn't a fine large enough! If you're out in open water with nobody around go ahead and kill yourself! But around others, there is nothing you're doing and no place you're going that warrants breaking the rules!

 

[DarrinT]

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My sister is out boatin the Toronto Islands and some dude from the U.S, docked beside her decides to go for a water ski in T.O. harbour against better advice from his local buddies

Speed limit in harbour 5 or 7 mph (better look it up )

7 x $240 later he's been nailed for everything from speeding to not having a harbour license or insurance.

In Ontario there is no insurance requirement except in "city Police " waters where the city can set their own regs.

Toronto police also require that you have on board the latest nautical chart for the area or $240 fine

Meanwhile being the fine upstanding citizen self when I got checked by the Ontario Provincial Police at Honey Harbour on Georgian Bay I was only given a lecture for not replacing my stolen Fire Extinguisher and all Seven of the little girls on board were given T-shirts that said

" I Got Caught Wearing My Life Jacket" donated by Helly Hansen

The Marine unit guys were actually quite surprised I knew when my flares were due to expire but still wanted to see them

 

[204 Escape]

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Well, I had invited a buddy of mine to go to the lake one week after I had got our new boat. He lit up a cigarette, and I made him put it out. I don't want any burns in my upholstery, nor my carpet.

There is NO ALCOHOL on our boat. I like to drink beer as well as the next guy, BUT, I don't feel like donating $$ to a fine. (NOW, when the boat is home, and I'm cleaning it up, I drink beer like a fish !!! ) The guys would just have to get over it, 'cause if "MY LIVLIHOOD" depends on my license, and it is my boat, the alcohol is NOT coming onboard !!!!!!!! Just my $0.02

As far as a fine, I have no clue what they cost. I personally enjoy asking the water patrol to inspect my boat for violations. There is a check list on the wall of the garage, that gets checked off EVERYTIME the boat is going out. EVERYBODY in my family has a job to do before leaving, as well as in the "prep area" at the lake itself !!! We feel that it is effiecent, to do it that way, + we change responsibilities often, so that EVERYONE is aware of what is going on with the boat. And a checklist is involved, for each person !!!! We feel that involvement is important !!!!!!

 

[This_lil_fishy]

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Not quite correct. In Canada, the requirement is based upon boat length. 6 metres and under, either a flashlight or three flares. Over 6 metres to 9 metres, a flashlight and six flares.

The regulations are not provincial, but are Transport Canada.

Huh...gotta go get me some flares. Gotta hit crappy tire to get my fishin licence renewed anyhow. Thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware that the length was that close. I think my boat is listed at 19.5' but 6m = 19.6"...but don't think I'd like to argue that fact. I am certain I knew this and forgot.

Ian

 

[northernmerc]

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This is your concept of your relationship. But that was not what you said in your previous post.

So, if that is what you want then you will need to accept the results of your failure to control your own space.

I would suggest an open discussion with your son as to the consequences for you, of his actions. If he is old enough to drink, he should be old enough to understand the position he is putting you in.

Maybe you should change your handle to "Doctor Phil" if you are interested in amateur psychoanalysis.

 

[Thajeffski]

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I dont know if it's just my specific harbor, but if you have the right color registration sticker on your boat and you don't speed in the harbor you're all set, the cops NEVER bother you. Infact, I think they just come out for rescue and fun.

It's also a KNOWN fact that more than half the boaters in my area are drunk at some point during the day.....hell, having them ask me if I had alcohol on the boat would get the "what kind would you like? " response.

Wine beer shots?

 

[Thajeffski]

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Well, I had invited a buddy of mine to go to the lake one week after I had got our new boat. He lit up a cigarette, and I made him put it out. I don't want any burns in my upholstery, nor my carpet.

There is NO ALCOHOL on our boat. I like to drink beer as well as the next guy, BUT, I don't feel like donating $$ to a fine. (NOW, when the boat is home, and I'm cleaning it up, I drink beer like a fish !!! ) The guys would just have to get over it, 'cause if "MY LIVLIHOOD" depends on my license, and it is my boat, the alcohol is NOT coming onboard !!!!!!!! Just my $0.02

As far as a fine, I have no clue what they cost. I personally enjoy asking the water patrol to inspect my boat for violations. There is a check list on the wall of the garage, that gets checked off EVERYTIME the boat is going out. EVERYBODY in my family has a job to do before leaving, as well as in the "prep area" at the lake itself !!! We feel that it is effiecent, to do it that way, + we change responsibilities often, so that EVERYONE is aware of what is going on with the boat. And a checklist is involved, for each person !!!! We feel that involvement is important !!!!!!

Man, it must be rough going out with you lol.

I take care of all the requirements before anyone boards my boat.

 

[Mel Taylor]

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Actually, we get along very well. For the most part, I'm just one of the guys; I don't order my adult kids around. No one wants to be a spoil sport and tell others they can't have a beer on their day off.

I get along with my adult kids too but I don't care about being one of the guys and on my boat I set the rules.

I really don't have many rules but, one of those rules is: No booze on board.

I love my kids dearly, but the first time they put me in a situation where I might get in trouble with the authorities will be the last time they ever set foot on my boat.

 

[BigBoatinOkie]

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I'm amazed to hear of so many places where one can't even have beer on the boat. Here in Oklahoma, passengers can drink all they want. The rule is you cannot operate or be in direct control of the boat while under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or any other intoxicating substance. The definition of "under the influence" is a blood alcohol concentration of 0.10 percent or higher, or under the influence to a degree that makes one incapable of safely operating the vessel.
On a first conviction of operating under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the violator will receive a fine of up to $1,000.
On a subsequent conviction of operating under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the violator will receive a fine of up to $2,500 and not less than $1,000.

Guess that's pretty lenient to you guys.

 

[oceansbreeze]

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At the end of the season, I remove my spare props, anchors, ropes, skiis, pfd's, etc. and they go on a "reserved" set of shelves and closet rod. Then, I take a plastic tote. One that is sufficient in size for what I need. I then remove ALL of my safety equipment from the boat. This is both fire extinguishers, tool kit, first aid kit, flares, registration, insurance info, back-up whistle, fuses,etc.

This is EXACTLY what I do. I have an empty closet in my basement, and I used milk crates to hold the anchors, bumpers, throwables, stuffed the life jackets in, put the rods in the closet, and paddles, everything!! May long weekend I was emptying out that closet, andj ust putting everything back in the boat right where I had it last year, and snap the fire extinguisher back into the plastic clips....

I'm in North Ontario, I've never seen the MNR or the OPP on patrol yet in 2 full summers of boating.... I am confident I have everything, and I never ever bring alcohol on board. Period.

To my fellow Ontario Boaters, go to Canadian tire and grab their boat safety kit. It's usually $9.99 to $14.99. Comes with flashlight, throwable rope, batteries...in a bailable container, with a mirrow finish on the lid to double as a signalling device and a whistle as well... Get some paddles, PFD's, anchor and fire extinguisher if you need one, and you're good to go.

To KermieB - even though your buddy can't throw a throwable at himself if he falls in, I think the point is if he had came across another boater who had fallen overboard - he would be prepared to potentially save their life.

 

[mrz333]

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In my area we can get a free safety inspection from the USCGAUX. After you pass they give you a sticker good within the year it was issued. I got mine at the beginning of January for all of 2010. Local patrols will not stop a vessel with this sticker for an inspection only.

 

[PitchFork]

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I'm amazed to hear of so many places where one can't even have beer on the boat. Here in Oklahoma, passengers can drink all they want. The rule is you cannot operate or be in direct control of the boat while under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or any other intoxicating substance. The definition of "under the influence" is a blood alcohol concentration of 0.10 percent or higher, or under the influence to a degree that makes one incapable of safely operating the vessel.

Guess that's pretty lenient to you guys.

Same here in Georgia except 0.10 is 0.08 by the way I read you can be driving the boat with beer in hand although I don't. I have learned of the states I will not live or boat in from reading this forum. The wife and I enjoy a beer or two while out on the water. We never drink to get drunk as we are well beyond our College Years.

 

[JimMH]

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Only ticket I ever got was for not having registration numbers on my boat. I bought a Master Craft that had been used on a private lake and was never registered. I purchased it in late September and registered it when the registration came back it was November and the boat was stored. Forgot to put them on the next summer and got pulled over. $50.00 fine from the DNR. Had the card but no numbers. My mistake, and I paid a price.

 

[lncoop]

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Same here in Georgia except 0.10 is 0.08 by the way I read you can be driving the boat with beer in hand although I don't. I have learned of the states I will not live or boat in from reading this forum. The wife and I enjoy a beer or two while out on the water. We never drink to get drunk as we are well beyond our College Years.

Wait, I'm trying to comprehend (stroking chin). You exercise common sense and display some decorum yet you still have a good time on the water? Hmmmm. Can you come to the Natural State and teach that to some of our boaters?

 

[25thmustang]

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My only beveridge in the fridge is a half drank 6 pack of Sam Summer.

I also plan to be well under the limits when drinking on board, and make sure my passengers act appropriately.

Keggers are for the house (mainly other peoples houses), some cocktails are for the boat.

 

[JimKW]

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After reading this I went and checked out my boat for the required safety items. Had flares, but they expired late 2009. Bought new ones. Found that I did not have any Type IV throwable Coast Guard approved device. Spent $8.99 and now I have a nice red seat cushion.

I can not find an orange or red flag anywhere though. Since I have the flares do I really need a flag?

 

[25thmustang]

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My understanding on the flag (for where I boat) is it was optional. I have one though, as it was cheap and easy to get.