first restoration project

[bucrebuild]

Hi Guys

I am new to the forum and have purchased a 1974 Bayliner Buccaneer 210.
The boat has sat in the water and has not sailed in 5 years. After pulling it out of the water I expected to have blisters to contend with, but did not find any after cleaning the bottom down to the gelcoat. However, I am running into a problem that I am not sure what to do.

I have stripped out the interior carpet and cleaned and painted the fiberglass interior on the topsides of the interior. On the lower half I am trying to remove the old carpet adhesive which held the carpet and was a bear getting loose. I am having trouble removing the old adhesive left from the carpet. any suggestions? I am a first time sailor and have been told that the carpet is there to help prevent condensation from building on the walls of the boat. Is this true if so I will just get some marine carpet and glue it back over the glue that is there now. Also, how far up should the carpet go?

Also I have had to repair minor damage to the gelcoat and have almost finished that and the hull is off white and the gelcoat is bright white.

Any answers and or suggestions and reccomendations will be greatly appreciated.

 

[jcsercsa]

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Hi there and Welcome , this is the place to be for boats and boaters!! i have learned so much here !! and made some great friends !!

On the glue , i would think to get it out the quickest way would be is to grind it out !!!

And again welcome john

 

[oops!]

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yep.....grinder.....

and welcome aboard !...

a 7 inch rubber "flapper" disc on a good grinder with 80 grit resin backed fiberglass sand paper will make really short work of it....done in minits.....

as far as how far to take the carpet up the sides....you choose...its your boat....newer manufacturers are taking the carpet all the way up.....

exterior carpet adheasive is all you need.....any thing that says marine.....has a built in luxury tax of a bazillion dollars.

and again....welcome

 

[i386]

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I am a first time sailor and have been told that the carpet is there to help prevent condensation from building on the walls of the boat.

This is absolutely correct. Bayliner used carpet to wick moisture away from the bulwarks. The water collected then soaks into the deck, stringers, and transom via a proprietary capillary feature developed and patented by Bayliner. This gave Bayliner bragging rights to the driest bulwarks in the industry. This turned out to be a seriously flawed system. Unfortunately, the flaw wasn't discovered until years later. Many people make this discovery independently. They all end up here.

Welcome to the Bayliner forum.



Don't take anything I say seriously. Do some searches on carpet in boats in this forum. You will likely dig up several holy wars about the subject.

 

[Nova II 260]

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I386 is right on. Carpet was used to create built-in structure failure, instant obsolescence and as mold starter. Can't have a production boat outlast the new boat financing period.
Removing Glue: Depending on the glue (type) you can try using dry ice. I used it on various glues (tile, carpet, etc) and works pretty well and is a clean release. Use caution and be safety conscience. Put it in a pie pan or cookie sheet and on the glued area. It'll become brittle. A putty knife will remove it and you can vacuum it up the chips.
I hope for you that bad carpet is the only problem.
Good Luck and let us know.

 

[zach103]

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i used one of those wire wheels. it works good just takes a while.. also your missing a big thing.. PICTURES loll we love em here.

oh and welcome to iboats

 

[bucrebuild]

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Ok, Should I put carpet back or I saw a product called Hull Liner in the West Marine Cat. Should it be glued in or make up panels and install them.
As to the pictures I have pictures but, I dont know how to upload.

This boat seems like a good deal. Removed the old carpet and have found some soft ply in the bottom I am replacing that. Question should I use Marine grade or will exterior do as well in the cabin. Other than that the hull had not blisters and has cleaned up great and I am putting a coat of bottom paint on this weekend. The electrical system is in good shape but, as a precaution because of so many loose wires I am going to rewire. Also the boat has a 20 gal water tank in it but I am afraid to use it I think I will not use it and just bring water on board. I am recovering all the seats and the bunk with new foam.

thanks

 

[zach103]

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join photobucket.its fee and everyone here uses it.. go to there up load your pictures than the ones you wanna put in there just clik on the IMG Code it'll copy automatically than just paste when you reply

 

[zach103]

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why are you afraid to use the water tank??

 

[bucrebuild]

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On the water tank. I dont know where its been or what may be in it. Removing it will require cutting up the bunk which is glued down. Trying to keep from adding a problem. I am fixing to set up photobucket and will post some pictures.

 

[NelsonQ]

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On the water tank. I dont know where its been or what may be in it. Removing it will require cutting up the bunk which is glued down. Trying to keep from adding a problem. I am fixing to set up photobucket and will post some pictures.

You can get additives pretty well anywhere to treat your water tank. Typically used for marine and RV applications to clean and condition your potable water.

Worth the few bucks and then you have a usable tank

 

[fuzzeywiggler]

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Removed the old carpet and have found some soft ply in the bottom I am replacing that.

This is Key, where exactly because it could be a larger problem than you may think.

Fuzzy

 

[Nova II 260]

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Ok, Removed the old carpet and have found some soft ply in the bottom I am replacing that.]

Keep digging, you're on the right track to mold gold.

 

[bucrebuild]

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I will be pulling it up this weekend. This boat sat in a marina in the water for 5 years without it sinking I believe this rot is due to rainwater comming in as opposed to lake water comming in. But, you are right I will take out everything that I find rotten. From reading on other forums and corresponding wth other Buc owners most everything below the floor is fiberglass. There is only about a 2inches of foam n top of the keel hangers.
Are there any other things that I should look for?

 

[bucrebuild]

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Let me see if this works

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[zach103]

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nope... did you click the IMG code one?

 

[bucrebuild]

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Lets see if this works

 

[bucrebuild]

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That did it.

The picture in the water is where I found her.

The picture of the floor is where I think is just rain water..

These were taken before she was pulled out of the water

 

[jcsercsa]

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man she is good size what 30 foot with a 10 foot beam ?John

 

[bucrebuild]

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She is 21ft with 8 ft beam and the reason I bought her is 5'8" head room.
With a 5.5 hp Honda engine and free use of the stands and space at the marina for 6 months. I paid 1800.00 only thing is no trailer. Guntersville lake where she is at is a great sailing lake and a good place to learn how to sail after I finish repairs.