Fluid dynamics?

JB

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Wow!! What an extremely gorgeous ship!!

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bruceb58

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The dimples make the boundary layer more turbulent and also thinner than a smooth laminar flow. Also, because the boundary layer is turbulent, there is less velocity difference between the boundary layer and the slip stream going by the layer thus reducing drag.
 

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I've also hear boat racers sand their hulls, but I have no first hand knowledge of this.
Yes they do, taking the gloss off the gel coat makes the boat faster. Sanding introduces more microscopic grooves which produces the turbulent boundary layer.

Saw it all the time back when I used to race catamarans. I didn't do it becuase there were so many other factors that made me lose races other than something that sanding could help.
 

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After reading all these posts, I have to ask if someone has experimented using the dimpled surface on props??? Or would that work the opposite reducing the prop's bite in the water??
Mike
 

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They have tried it on wind surfers. They had spoon shaped dimples in the hulls. Not sure if they are still doing it or not.
 

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My buddy as well as my grandfater used to race boats. They both have repeatedly said that water that is dimpled or mildly turbulent is MUCH faster than water that is glass smooth.

It evens out the co-efficent

Bill
 

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Drag Coefficient, designated Cd in the drag equation. There are different forms of drag, here we're talking about form drag which is friction caused by the shape or design of the hull and frontal area of the hull. Basically, drag is induced by the resistance of a hull to free flow of a fluid. As a hull moves through the water the molecules near the hull are disturbed and move around and away from the hull.

(Hull design has a lot to do with how much and how fast does water move away from the hull. To get into that gets away from the question of the effects of dimples on free flow of a fluid. F'rinstance, a hull could be designed to be 'dry' where not much hull is in the water. So, by design, the idea would be to generate lift. A byproduct of lift is induced drag. But a lifting hull would be highly sensitive to small control inputs and not desireable to how most boaters operate.)


Without getting into the math, a good explanation is if the vicosity of the fluid remains constant, to achieve more speed, or economy, which really can be defined as "less drag", then the change has to be in the velocity of the fluid. How to achieve this is the root of the question. Bernoulli showed us that an increase in velocity results in a decrease in pressure.


Dimples or a roughened skin acts to increase the boundary layer which results in a higher velocity closer to the skin. (Without the boundary layer the flow would be turbulent at the skin. And slower, reaching out to the next layer of molecules and on and on until at some distance from the skin the fluid would be once again free flowing.) The boundary layer acts to reduce the 'slowness' of the fluid close to the skin.

Vortex generators (VGs) on planes act to induce laminar flow. But the question here is specific to the boundary layer on which that flow relies. The boundary layer is indeed micro-eddies which create low pressure.

Aerodynamicists use the term, reference drag. This helps them fine tune the basic drag equation for a specific purpose. Is form drag or induced drag more important? It depends on what is their intended purpose. VGs help with induced drag. Boaters are more concerned with form drag. VGs turn the flow whereas dimples, etc allow for a "free stream" flow nearer to the skin, ie, hull.
 

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Re: Fluid dynamics?

After reading all these posts, I have to ask if someone has experimented using the dimpled surface on props??? Or would that work the opposite reducing the prop's bite in the water??
Mike

OOOOO I like that idea. I am adding that to my mythbuster post.
 

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Interesting discussion.

The analogy between the golf ball and the car has to do with filling in the partial vacuum that is generated as an object moves thru a fluid. There is a positive pressure on the objects face and a negative pressure on the back side. This differential in pressure plus skin friction generates drag.

Objects that are short in relation to their width will pull a higher vacuum at a given speed than one that is longer.

The dimples trip the air allowing it flow from the face fill in the vacuum area more efficiently than if it were smooth.

As for boats, water is not compressible fluid and may behave differently that one that is. Water tends to cavitate, which is a science of its own.
 

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Re: Fluid dynamics?

Interesting discussion.

The analogy between the golf ball and the car has to do with filling in the partial vacuum that is generated as an object moves thru a fluid. There is a positive pressure on the objects face and a negative pressure on the back side. This differential in pressure plus skin friction generates drag.

Objects that are short in relation to their width will pull a higher vacuum at a given speed than one that is longer.

The dimples trip the air allowing it flow from the face fill in the vacuum area more efficiently than if it were smooth.

As for boats, water is not compressible fluid and may behave differently that one that is. Water tends to cavitate, which is a science of its own.

I put a peice of this on discovery too.
 

keverdmann

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Not that I know where to get a copy of it, but someone on the mythbusters site had this to say.
"There's an article in this months Physics Today about dimples and ripples on boats."
 
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