Gas consumption down, but prices up

[WizeOne]

Re: Gas consumption down, but prices up

No oh Wise One,it is just that I think that this fear of socialism/communism is grounded in scary story propaganda from the cold war.Everything evolves, socialism became social democracy.Europe has had it for years.Last I checked,they are doing fine.that is why I called it "Boogy Man" and not "Bogey Man"

Hmmmm! I see! After millennia of getting things wrong, literally driving hordes of people to the new world, Europe has finally gotten it right?

 

[RubberFrog]

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Europe has had it for years.Last I checked,they are doing fine.

Good god, you want us to be like Europe? A bunch of tiny houses, tiny cars, cramped streets, every body living like they're broke, taxes through the roof.

No thanks.

 

[aspeck]

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I hear the Frogger has lots of gas ... and he will sell it cheap! Shucks, he has been GIVING it away for years!

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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Until gas is a mandatory rationed item, I'm going to drive the way I want and what I want. I paid for it and it is mine. Have a great weekend,,,,,,I'm going to the lake and be back Sunday afternoon

 

[rolmops]

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Good god, you want us to be like Europe? A bunch of tiny houses, tiny cars, cramped streets, every body living like they're broke, taxes through the roof.

No thanks.

My brother's house in holland is bigger than mine.
My nephew in Stockholm lives in a nice pent house and drives a volvo.He had free education up to university level.There are no potholes where he lives and public transportation in Stockholm works like a dream.
He is in China right now on an extended bicycle trip,he burns no oil.If you want to see his progress go to his website.It is: www.haring.nu
Do check this web blog it reads like a great adventure.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Until gas is a mandatory rationed item, I'm going to drive the way I want and what I want. I paid for it and it is mine. Have a great weekend,,,,,,I'm going to the lake and be back Sunday afternoon

I hear ya SS.
I buy $4.99 diesel and drive it cause it's mine.
My boat uses quit a bit and 45 gallon a whack, but I use it cause it's mine.
If people want to buy them little things to ride around it that is fine, but I don't like being like a crippled man every time I get out of one.

 

[treedancer]

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No, the real boogie man.

Man that dude looks like he fell into a vat of some cheap axx Kentucky Whiskey.

 

[SgtMaj]

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I read something yesterday that I hadn't thought of before... and that kinda takes the sting out of the gas prices...

As the gas prices go up, the economic benefits of manufacturing goods overseas decreases. While in 2005 it only cost $2500 to ship a container from China to the US, it now costs $8000 to ship the same container. That means that some of those manufacturers that went overseas to produce goods cheaper, will likely start heading back this way. Although, it's more likely that they'll go to Mexico, but the better Mexico's economy, the better our border security is.

Ok, it's a small win, but I'll take it anyway.

 

[mscher]

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If the price reflected WORLDWIDE demand, prices would not have doubled in the last year and a half. Unless of course the demand increased by a like amount. When is the last time you saw a filling station with a sign reading "Sorry out of gas"?? If the demand created a true shortage I believe that would be a common sight.

There is no oil shortage and the minor drop in U.S. consumption is insignificant in todays world oil market.

Prices are now driven by speculation, politics, media spin, etc, as well as demand. We can drill all we want and prices won't budge. legislation towards oil will be meaningless.

The only thing that will bring down oil prices and slow speculation, is a considerable WORLDWIDE drop in oil demand.

 

[roofus]

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I'm going fishin'. Because I can. And the beauty of it is even if I don't catch a dang thing I'm still fishin'.​

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Soon there will be a market correction, the wallstreet bubbble has been ...given warning it's about to pop......give it 90 day's for all the excess oil being stored off shore and once it's all liquidated..POP.

Sorry JB...actually professionally im not.... personally i am. I see a side of business...actually im forced to see a part of business directly related to oil.....and i did fire @ you in anger...but when DOW chem publicy announces a 20% increase this old man is going to get hostile.

There i have apoligized in my own way, but thing's are really getting out of control.....Guess i forgot your to old to be a hippie.....

 

[PW2]

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No oh Wise One,it is just that I think that this fear of socialism/communism is grounded in scary story propaganda from the cold war.Everything evolves, socialism became social democracy.Europe has had it for years.Last I checked,they are doing fine.that is why I called it "Boogy Man" and not "Bogey Man"

Yes, and everyone wants to make this a simple issue. First of all, gas is only one product they make from crude. They also make Diesel, home heating oil, and who knows how many other things can be made out of crude. I think there is no doubt at least as big a margin for the refiners for diesel, and the current diesel price is higher than gas . Chances are a 4% reduction in gas usage is met at the refinery level with a 4 % decrease in gas production, and a corresponding 4 % increase in diesel production, or somesuch as that.

As far as Europe vs America goes, it's remotely possible that America does not know everything that can be known, and that Europe might do the odd occasional thing well. Who knows?

I know if I wanted to travel around, and not go completely broke buying fuel, I'd love to have the opportunity to ride a convenient train anywhere I wanted to go. But then that's me. They at least have the choice.

 

[Bigprairie1]

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PW2 makes a good point here in his previous post about other types of usage.
That said, don't forgot about petroleum distillates being used in the manufacture of plastics which is in just about everything else you buy these days...except food (maybe).
Remember for everyone parking their car on this side of the pond due to gas prices someone in Asia (China/India) is just buying their first car...ever...and looking forward to it. Finally prosperity is coming their way I guess.
Hang on.
BP

 

[Mark42]

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I've been thinking about buying an economy car because of my gas expense. I commute 320 miles a week. My Lincoln Town Car gets an average 23.5 mpg.

If I buy a car that gets 35mpg, I will save about 7 gallons a week, or $28 a week @ $4 a gallon. That's about $1500 a year savings. If I buy a used Ford Focus (a 2003 w/60,000 miles sells for about $7000 around here) it will take at 4.6 years to break even.

$7000 will buy about 130 weeks of gas, or about 2.5 years of gas outright.

But...

The $7000 would make up the difference between 23.5mpg and 35 mpg (the $28 savings) for 4.8 years.

So I'm not sure what to do.

I can't tow either boat with a Ford Focus, but I can tow each boat with the Town Car. But I also have Toyota Sierra that can tow either boat too.

Decisions, decisions.....

 

[SgtMaj]

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I've been thinking about buying an economy car because of my gas expense. I commute 320 miles a week. My Lincoln Town Car gets an average 23.5 mpg.

If I buy a car that gets 35mpg, I will save about 7 gallons a week, or $28 a week @ $4 a gallon. That's about $1500 a year savings. If I buy a used Ford Focus (a 2003 w/60,000 miles sells for about $7000 around here) it will take at 4.6 years to break even.

$7000 will buy about 130 weeks of gas, or about 2.5 years of gas outright.

But...

The $7000 would make up the difference between 23.5mpg and 35 mpg (the $28 savings) for 4.8 years.

So I'm not sure what to do.

I can't tow either boat with a Ford Focus, but I can tow each boat with the Town Car. But I also have Toyota Sierra that can tow either boat too.

Decisions, decisions.....

trade, but keep the toyota to tow with when you need to tow... that was simple.

 

[SgtMaj]

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Yes, and everyone wants to make this a simple issue. First of all, gas is only one product they make from crude. They also make Diesel, home heating oil, and who knows how many other things can be made out of crude. I think there is no doubt at least as big a margin for the refiners for diesel, and the current diesel price is higher than gas . Chances are a 4% reduction in gas usage is met at the refinery level with a 4 % decrease in gas production, and a corresponding 4 % increase in diesel production, or somesuch as that.

I don't think it works like that... I think there's only a certain amt. of gas as well as a certain amt. of diesel you can get out of a gal. of crude, and you can get both out, but you can't take less of one so you can get more of the other. Not that I understand everything about it... I could be wrong.

As far as Europe vs America goes, it's remotely possible that America does not know everything that can be known, and that Europe might do the odd occasional thing well. Who knows?

America does know everything that can be known... because at least as far as europe goes... whatever is said across telecom lines in europe, is being monitored by the NSA.

As far as Euope doing the occasional thing well... they do at least one thing well, and that's having high fuel economy vehicles in the first place.

I know if I wanted to travel around, and not go completely broke buying fuel, I'd love to have the opportunity to ride a convenient train anywhere I wanted to go. But then that's me. They at least have the choice.

Ever heard of Amtrack? Ever take it? Neither does anyone else.

A better idea would be to use those trains to move goods from city to city to eliminate OTR trucking... would still have to truck the goods to and from the stations... but those are much shorter trips.

 

[PW2]

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Ever ride European trains? They ain't Amtrak. Everyone uses trains in Europe. There is a reason Amtrak is not used as often.

Actually, Amtrak is not a bad way to travel, if you're not in a hurry. I used to ride the train from Bellingham to Seattle all the time. It is a beautiful ride that follows the coastline most of the way. Heck of a lot nicer scenery than I-5!

 

[Bigprairie1]

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A better idea would be to use those trains to move goods from city to city to eliminate OTR trucking... would still have to truck the goods to and from the stations... but those are much shorter trips.

Rail is a good idea...but good luck with that. Whats going to pay for that infracture?.....guess? yep...taxes, so forget it. (Western) Europe has a large population on a comparitively smaller piece of real estate who have accepted higher taxes to finance such things. As well, they put in a lot of their transportation 'lines' years ago before environment impact stuff, etc so in a way they finished (luckily) early. Try running a track through a duck sanctuary, an owl habitat or someones backyard now.....no way...nimby city (Not In My Back Yard).
I don't think Europe is as far behind the curve as you might think.
Interesting discussion.
BP

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Rail is a good idea...but good luck with that. Whats going to pay for that infracture?.....guess? yep...taxes, so forget it. (Western) Europe has a large population on a comparitively smaller piece of real estate who have accepted higher taxes to finance such things. As well, they put in a lot of their transportation 'lines' years ago before environment impact stuff, etc so in a way they finished (luckily) early. Try running a track through a duck sanctuary, an owl habitat or someones backyard now.....no way...nimby city (Not In My Back Yard).
I don't think Europe is as far behind the curve as you might think.
Interesting discussion.
BP

All i can say is your need to move to Europe.Live there for 40 years and then and only then can you come back to the american arena and post such a foolish post.


Sometimes i want to scream and just knock someone's head's off when they post such thing's.. Good god i know there is some one reading this from the Europe who can spell it out just how much freedom they really have... Ok google the cast system in europe pay attention it is as real as ehsy kind of dreamer are you...now go to bed and sleep. you will be better in the morning ...Dreams such fool's..

 

[treedancer]

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All i can say is your need to move to Europe.Live there for 40 years and then and only then can you come back to the american arena and post such a foolish post.


Sometimes i want to scream and just knock someone's head's off when they post such thing's.. Good god i know there is some one reading this from the Europe who can spell it out just how much freedom they really have... Ok google the cast system in europe pay attention it is as real as ehsy kind of dreamer are you...now go to bed and sleep. you will be better in the morning ...Dreams such fool's..

Of course he’s spot on.