Gas mileage / hours - Best Engine?

Geo2008

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Hi

I am wondering what to expect with regards to my gas situation on a 1999 ProCraft with a matching Mercury 125 ELPTO that is in good condition. (See attached photo.)

What is the expected mileage or hours per tank based average driving style? It is a 25 gallon tank.

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Re: Gas mileage / hours - What is your prediction?

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rule of thumb is 12.5 gallons at wide open throttle. it varies on the hull, proper set up, and tuning of the motor. impossible question to answer. one savings is to got to wot, then throttle back to 7/8 throttle.
 

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Re: Gas mileage / hours - What is your prediction?

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rule of thumb is 12.5 gallons at wide open throttle.

Thanks, I don't really follow the "rule of thumb" part of your answer" did you mean 12.5 hours?
 

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Thanks, I don't really follow the "rule of thumb" part of your answer" did you mean 12.5 hours?

The motor will burn 12.5 gallons per hour at WOT. 25 gallons @12.5 per hour = 2 hours
 

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That pretty much sucks big time considering current fuel prices, that is nearly $40 per hour just for fuel.:eek:

Does anyone know how the Mercury Optimax engines are on fuel versus the ELPTO?

What is the most fuel efficient outboard motor in the 125hp range?

Geo
 

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etec
 

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Re: Gas mileage / hours - Best Engine?

As nobody use there boats the same it is hard to give and exact answerer

Take a look at tests here on other boats at a more normal speed you could get in the 3 to 5 MPG range at about 25 MPH

http://www.boattest.com/
 

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Yeah, the 12.5 gal/hr thing looks scary, but that's not the story really. When cruising tommays has it nailed. All of the DFI two strokes are decent on fuel these days, ETEC and Opti are really good. However . . . unless you are a commercial fisherman you'll never get back the cost of a repower in saved fuel. You'll still get 3 - 5 MPG. I am guessing right around 4 for you, all day, every day when it comes down to it. Look at he link that tom gave you ^^^^^ find similar boats with similar power. It will be good enough to answer the question, even if it is a more modern engine . . .
 

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Fuel mileage whether you are driving a boat, car, truck or you lawn mower depends on individual driving style, load and speed. Every boat and motor combination has what's called a sweet spot where it delivers its best fuel economy. Since boats don't have odometers, miles per gallon is a relatively useless term. Gallons per hour is more meaningful. One boat and engine combination may burn 5 gallons per hour and have a top speed of 20 MPH whereas another boat may burn 7.5 gallons per hour and run nearly double that speed. So the engine that burns more fuel on a per hour basis is actually more ecomonical since it gets you where you want to go in shorter period of time -- hence less fuel burned. Nearly any engine regardless of size, will burn fuel at a rate that is 10% of its horsepower rating. 125 HP = 12.5 gallons per hour. 50 HP = 5 gallons per hour. 5 HP = 0.5 gallons per hour. If you are really concerned about fuel economy, install a fuel flow monitor like the Navman 2100 (Now Northstar) or similar. They are about $135 - $175.00 depending on where you shop but they tell you in an instant what the burn rate (gallons per hour is) and you therefore can quickly determine what the sweetspot is for your engine. Making sure the engine is propped right for the boat and load is also critical to get best performance and economy.
 

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Re: Gas mileage / hours - Best Engine?

silvertip, that's one of the best explanations. i save it to Docs. request permission to quote you in the future.
 

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Be my guest Tash -- that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. I have a Navman on my walleye boat and found it to be an extremely handy tool and it also solved the issue of a dancing fuel gauge needle because of a long, wide and shallow fuel tank. It tells you instantly how much fuel you have burned since fill up, total since reset, amount remaining and instant fuel flow rate. I'm trying to decide if I need one on my new pontoon. Here is what the gauge looks like on my Alumacraft Navigator. This is also the gauge that I used when I did the "Outboard Fuel Economy Study" sometime back.

FuelComputer.jpg
 

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Re: Gas mileage / hours - Best Engine?

I think am going to get one also because I want to find the sweet spot for my particular rig.

This forum is a really enjoyable place and full of knowledge. Back before the internet came along it would be difficult to learn so much so quickly. The access to the minds of experienced captains is priceless.

Geo
 

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Re: Gas mileage / hours - Best Engine?

We've had this debate before. Knowing gallons per hour is meaningless if you do not know speed (yes I know that is noted above). If you know speed you know miles per gallon, so I continue to claim that ultimately miles per gallon is more important. I'll never understand how knowing your gallons per hour means anything without the other pieces of info. And if you know the other info, then, again, you know where you are going to run out of fuel not when. Who cares when if you aren't where you need to be?
 

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... gallons per hour to me would tell me how much money to bring. if i knew the best speed to save the most coin, I'm in.
 

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It's really quite simple (and we've discussed this before) -- Miles per gallon is not absolute and is not known until you have completed a trip. You also have no idea where the sweet spot is. You may get 3.5 mpg on one trip. On the next trip you may be heavily loaded and expect to get 3.5, end up in weather, and your real mpg turns out to be 2.5. Will you get to your destination on available fuel -- maybe and maybe not. You won't know until you either get there or run out. Flow rate is needed to translate speed to MPG and your gas gauge is only a "fuel level" and not a very reliable way to figure MPG on the fly. GPS can provide the odometer function but if you don't have it, flow rate is far more accurate than your fuel gauge because it is absolute, and as we have discussed previously, you will know what flow rate is at whatever cruise speed you choose within a few hundred yards from the dock. It also tells you immediately whether there is an impending problem. While an engine may be running well, it may be consuming fuel at a rate equivalent to a big money loser at a Las Vegas crap table. Without flow rate you have no idea what's going on until you run out of fuel. Granted, many folks are always in sight of land when they boat so all of this is rather unimportant. For those of us that run big water and where fuel is scarce, I want to know what's going on right now -- not after the trip is over. The airline industry uses gallons/hour and pounds/hour for the very same reasons and they even have GPS. Most people would operate their boats very differently if they had a flow meter and that will be more of an issue during this boating season as we are seening the highest fuel prices in history. I'm not selling flow meters -- just touting their value.
 

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Re: Gas mileage / hours - Best Engine?

Since boats don't have odometers, miles per gallon is a relatively useless term. Gallons per hour is more meaningful.
I am only reacting to this ^^^^ Silvertip. I guess we are ultimately saying the same thing. If you have speed, then you have MPG. If you have a GPS, then you have an odometer. If you have GPH and not the other two, you got nuttin' . . . At least with a general understanding of MPG you can plan trips. My only point last time, and this time . . . ;)
 

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Re: Gas mileage / hours - Best Engine?

Well

Haveing a lot of windy weather and GPS/fuelflow that is smart enough to tell me the range left at any given time and condition

It is a must have if your boating in changing conditions as even my 3.0 can drop down to 1.5 MPG or less pushing into a heavy chop which drops my range from 120 to 45 MILES :eek:
 
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