General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

daman4469

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Hi all, I have a 1990 Sunbird Corsica 19.5' with a marinized Ford 302. Just looking for some general performance enhancements. I know on cars you can install cold air intakes, etc.
I have a 17" prop with a hydrofoil installed. I do a lot of skier/tube pulling. Not really looking for top speed, just anything that may enhance performance....I'm a horsepower junkie!

Running 45 MPH at 4200 rpm WOT with 1:19 gears.
 
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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

RPM seems low, I'm not up-to-date on the Fords though, maybe someone else knows what max RPM should be.

What kind of outdrive has 1.19 gearing??? That would be extremely low even for a big block, much less a 302 - you'd have to be running about a 14" pitch prop.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

RPM seems low, I'm not up-to-date on the Fords though, maybe someone else knows what max RPM should be.

What kind of outdrive has 1.19 gearing??? That would be extremely low even for a big block, much less a 302 - you'd have to be running about a 14" pitch prop.

Its an OMC outdrive; I typed wrong (butter fingers) the gear ratio says in the manual that its 1.59. Manual spec says WOT should be between 4000-4400 rpm. Looks like I have about 7% slip. Thats assuming my tach is right.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

Know of any places that sell these sorts of things? I've been wanting to get a new carb anyway; I have been looking online but get confused quickly. Would a carb for a non-marinized ford 302 work? I know my carb now is automatic choke, most of the newer ones seem to have electric....
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

I don't know how much it's changed over the years, but my OMC Ford 302 is supposed to run 4200-4400rpms at wide open throttle according to my owners manual. You MUST use a marine carb, or you run the risk of blowing your boat up. I have a 4bbl on mine that my uncle put on when he owned it, and it does help top end...... at the expense of it sucking a lot of fuel. Holley's model number for the 302 marine carb is 80364 if I remember correct... You can get it from summit racing or jegs.
 
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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

I don't know how much it's changed over the years, but my OMC Ford 302 is supposed to run 4200-4400rpms at wide open throttle according to my owners manual. You MUST use a marine carb, or you run the risk of blowing your boat up. I have a 4bbl on mine that my uncle put on when he owned it, and it does help top end...... at the expense of it sucking a lot of fuel. Holley's model number for the 302 marine carb is 80364 if I remember correct... You can get it from summit racing or jegs.

Nice! Thank you! I have been wanting to upgrade to a 4bbl for a while now; Mine has a 2bbl, is it just a straight swap? Looks like it should be, according to the pictures. I'm going to order one within the next couple of days if it is a simple swap :)
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

I think you need an intake manifold too...... Mine has a Edlebrock performer 289.... But, I could be wrong. Good luck :)
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

I think you need an intake manifold too...... Mine has a Edlebrock performer 289.... But, I could be wrong. Good luck :)
Trying to find out for sure....my knowledge doesn't go much past the carb...I cant imagine a 4bbl just sliding on though where a 2 bbl used to be.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

The Edelbrock Performer 289 is an aluminum, 4-bbl intake, that is just a touch better flowing than a stock cast manifold. More importantly, it will have the flanges to accept your 4 bbl carb correctly.

If you want a little more grunt there are better intakes, but many of them are made to flow higher rpms. Performer gets it's power from off idle to approx 4500 rpms. Typically, if you move up in performance on an intake, it will generally work better with a better cam and heads, but typically this moves your power up to a 2500-6500 rpm range, which is fine for cars where we do this rarely, but not for a boat where you will like to be around 5000-5400 rpms for long periods of time, and your torque migrates up the rpm range as well, so you will lose your out-of-the-hole lower rpm torque.

GT40 heads are a REALLY good upgrade for small block fords (STAY AWAY from GT-40P heads, you cannot access the spark plugs on those without special headers or exhaust manifolds). They flow superbly, for a cast iron head, and yet you can still snag a set for $200-$400 a pair.

For a couple hundred bucks, you can upgrade your cam to a roller cam, and still keep it mild, then put in roller rockers and lifters, and free up some low rpm horsepower and torque (easier to do with a 5.0 block, as parts are readily available). But you can use the GT40 heads with a flat-tappet cam if you replace the springs with ones that are rated for a flat tappet.

My current 5.0 is a bored over .040 5.0 non-roller block, retrofitted with roller cam, roller lifters, full roller 1.7 rockers pumping around 360 hp and torque starting around 3000 rpms and holding that torque curve up through 6500 rpms. I regularly spin it to 6500 and sometimes 7000 rpms for short durations (drag strip, showing off for friends, etc) but it has plenty power and actually keeps decent gas mileage through 4500 rpms. It will run 5500 rpms all day long without any stress whatsoever, pumping out a good 350 hp and 350 torque.

I built the entire engine (for a car) with used parts for about $400, with the only new part being a Holley double pump carb for another $600.

Specs of the engine are located at my website, if you want to check out exactly what I used and see dyno run (chassis dyno, not at the flywheel numbers).

http://scooper77515.fordmaverick.net/index.htm click on Spec Sheet for the engine part numbers etc.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

Just adding an aluminum 4 bbl intake and a 4 bbl carb will not do much. Just leave it alone or swap in a built big block and the appropriate drive. You gotta pay to play!
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

Just adding an aluminum 4 bbl intake and a 4 bbl carb will not do much. Just leave it alone or swap in a built big block and the appropriate drive. You gotta pay to play!

You are right, but if you want to keep the 302 (due to already having the motor mounts and it fits your current setup) you can get some cheap extra grunt from those heads and a mild-moderate cam swap.

My first build was the GT-40 heads, Torker289 singleplane intake, and an Edelbrock Performer Plus cam. Good for 5500 rpms. Just about doubled the hp on my 1974 302 (baseline hp was only around 120 hp). Cost me about $400 total. most of that extra power came from the MUCH better heads, larger valves, etc.

I actually have WAY more engine now for WAY less money. I have learned how to beg, borrow, and trade :D
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

You are right, but if you want to keep the 302 (due to already having the motor mounts and it fits your current setup) you can get some cheap extra grunt from those heads and a mild-moderate cam swap.

My first build was the GT-40 heads, Torker289 singleplane intake, and an Edelbrock Performer Plus cam. Good for 5500 rpms. Just about doubled the hp on my 1974 302 (baseline hp was only around 120 hp). Cost me about $400 total. most of that extra power came from the MUCH better heads, larger valves, etc.

I actually have WAY more engine now for WAY less money. I have learned how to beg, borrow, and trade :D
So from what I'm reading a new Intake manifold/4bbl carb arent worth the money just by themselves? :)
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

Might pick up a little, but ford heads have horrible flow, especially on the exhaust side. Check the heads, if they are e7 part numbers, or have GT40 (or even the P heads, I doubt they will have either, more likely D8 or some other boat anchor heads) a better intake and carb will give a noticeable difference, but not huge. A cam would help out, but you don't want to bump the cam up too much. Not for a boat.

In my opinion, we need to keep our boat motors "detuned" so that they get their power at lower rpms, with a longer torque curve. So, yes, the engine CAN spin to 7000 for short bursts, but in reality, we run them 4500-5000 tops. So keep the power band in that area.

Keep in mind, I am more familiar with auto engines, not marine. But how different can the crank and cam, heads be? I know exhaust manifolds, starter, alternator, etc are a bit different.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

Might pick up a little, but ford heads have horrible flow, especially on the exhaust side. Check the heads, if they are e7 part numbers, or have GT40 (or even the P heads, I doubt they will have either, more likely D8 or some other boat anchor heads) a better intake and carb will give a noticeable difference, but not huge. A cam would help out, but you don't want to bump the cam up too much. Not for a boat.

In my opinion, we need to keep our boat motors "detuned" so that they get their power at lower rpms, with a longer torque curve. So, yes, the engine CAN spin to 7000 for short bursts, but in reality, we run them 4500-5000 tops. So keep the power band in that area.

Keep in mind, I am more familiar with auto engines, not marine. But how different can the crank and cam, heads be? I know exhaust manifolds, starter, alternator, etc are a bit different.

I hear ya. I know i bought a new alternator a while back, and all i did was walk into auto zone and ask for an alternator for a 1990 Ford 302. I'm not sure of the part numbers or anything on the heads. I actually just got my boat running well (had some carb adjustments needed, and a good cleaning of the jets) and that got me an extra 4 mph and 200 RPM. Sounds to me like a new manifold/4bbl would give a little up top but not much, but suck a lot more fuel. If I knew the new intake/carb would give me 10 or 20 HP and a few mph, I'd consider it (i love speed and HP). I have a 19" prop as a spare (running a 17 now) which would give me a little more up top, but id sacrifice out of the hole a little bit.
Not sure what my HP is now (I've read anywhere from 185 at the prop to 225 at the prop), but if a carb/intake would give me 10 more, with a bit more speed up top, I'd bite on it and do it. Doesn't sound like thats going to happen on a bone stock 302 though.
There is an air vent plate on the top of the carb that opens about 1/3 of the way at WOT, but stays closed until then (on the 4bbl it looks like 2 barrels have one, and 2 dont) Should/could that open more? I have read other places that some people take this air restrictor plate off.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

You are right, but if you want to keep the 302 (due to already having the motor mounts and it fits your current setup) you can get some cheap extra grunt from those heads and a mild-moderate cam swap.

My first build was the GT-40 heads, Torker289 singleplane intake, and an Edelbrock Performer Plus cam. Good for 5500 rpms. Just about doubled the hp on my 1974 302 (baseline hp was only around 120 hp). Cost me about $400 total. most of that extra power came from the MUCH better heads, larger valves, etc.

I actually have WAY more engine now for WAY less money. I have learned how to beg, borrow, and trade :D

You give good advise!

You also seem like the kind of person that knows how to work on your stuff.:cool:

This scenerio reminds me of when I was in high school and a lot of the guys would bolt up headers and a 4bbl holley carb to their stock 2bbl engines. Often times they hurt performance instead of helping. It's not always beneficial to add a 4bbl carb to an engine with poor breathing and that is cammed for a 2bbl. If the engine was built to a point where the 2 bbl is holding it back then it will obviously gain from a 4bbl.

Daman, if you do switch to a 4bbl have a pro set it up for you. Every engine is different and a carburetor "out of the box" is not tuned to your engine. You (or someone else) have to do that.

Set up means jetting, squirter settings, idle, float and mixture settings as well as secondary springs and metering.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

I'm not above and beyond camming the engine...But I am not in a position to drop 2 grand on a rebuild....is camming/new carb and intake doable for say, under a grand? I know the carb and intake are gonna run me at least 600. What's involved in camming an engine? Does it need removed? Can it be done yourself, or do the blocks need split? Special tools needed? I love that 'slappy' sound of a cammed engine.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

I'm not above and beyond camming the engine...But I am not in a position to drop 2 grand on a rebuild....is camming/new carb and intake doable for say, under a grand? I know the carb and intake are gonna run me at least 600. What's involved in camming an engine? Does it need removed? Can it be done yourself, or do the blocks need split? Special tools needed? I love that 'slappy' sound of a cammed engine.

It depends on the cam. If you want to see 6,000+ rpm you'll need:
Cam
Lifters
valve springs
Spring heights set (which means the heads come off and go to a machine shop)
A lot of gaskets

Keep in mind your heads may still limit your rpm and a cam with a lot of rev will rob you of low end torque.

Have you considered swapping to a used a fuel injected 5.0 mustang engine? A friend of mine has one for sale out of a wrecked mustang for $300.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

I hadn't considered that! Not sure of fit into the hull though, or fit on the outdrive, or compatibility with current parts (ignition, distributor cap, electronics, etc). Does it run? Sounds cheap...but if its a runner and would be of some advantage, I'd be all for it!
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

I hadn't considered that! Not sure of fit into the hull though, or fit on the outdrive, or compatibility with current parts (ignition, distributor cap, electronics, etc). Does it run? Sounds cheap...but if its a runner and would be of some advantage, I'd be all for it!

I believe the motor mounts and belhousing patterns are the same. You would use the 5.0 ignition and I would even use the efi computer. People have been swapping these engines into early Bronco's and mustangs for years so why not in a boat. I think some of the mid 90's ski nautiques used the GT40 5.0 engines so anything needed to marinize should be available.

You'll need a high pressure fuel pump to make this work and might need to see what kind of oil pan they used in the nautiques.


Check your local craigslist listing for 5.0 Ford engines or search 302 Ford. I see them listed here (California) regularly, complete with computer for $300 to $800 dollars. You can pick up the one my buddy has if you want to make the drive. He says it has 65,000 miles on it and it's out of a 94 mustang.
 

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Re: General Performance Enhancements for Marinized Ford 302?

Someone should know if the 2brl and 4brl Ford marine engines used the same cam or not. Maybe just research the part numbers. The chevy based merc did not have different cams. If same cam, than you can expect to pick up all of the difference in hp between those models. I'd suspect it is in the 10-20hp range.

Also, consider removing the foil and adding smart tabs. Boat will plane out faster, more level, and provide better high speed stability.

To improve your low end, try a different prop. Drop down to a 15" pitch, and if you could use some stearn lift, maybe a four blade.
 
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