Hand held GPS questions

chrisg

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People here have been saying to use a GPS to measure speed Vs using your speedometer.
So I will put one on my Christmas wish list.

But I see they can be expensive. I was looking at the lower end hand held jobs. Some have no maps and some have maps (B&W) any one use these hand held units? Is the map good enough that you can use it in place of a road map? ( having never seen one in use). I want to get something that I can take on the boat (to get speed, so you guys stop saying your speedometer is off ? I don?t need to have charts, this is Iowa, you can?t get lost on these waters!) .

I saw Garmin has one that floats( which can come in handy) Garmin GPSMAP 76 Handheld GPS Receiver. Says it has road maps, wonder if I can use it to find the truck when I go and park at the mall of America?. It has warning alarms, can I program it to avoid stores in the mall that may be detrimental to my wallet? Or favorite spots ( for me?)

I liked one review, says it has ?a man overboard hit that brings you right back to where the person fell in? I can just see it now, ? Hold on Bob, Let me get the GPS and hit that button. OK, I got it marked, I?ll come back later, don?t go way!............?

But seriously, how are these hand held jobs? Are the maps really helpful?
 

lets_fish

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I dont know about the hand helds but my father uses his Garmin from his car (NUVI). Works good for MPH and he is able to mark all his favorite spots on different bodies of water using lat. and long. coordinates and return later. It just looks strange on the screen with a car driving through the huge lake.
 

109jb

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Any GPS unit will give very accurate speed and direction information. The speed from the GPS is more accurate than even your car speedometer. The map units are nice and if you decide to get one with maps, check out the display as the smaller displays give a more pixelated image. I would suggest going to a place that has them in stock so that you can see them in person. There are a few units that can be used for driving directions as well as off=road use. I don't have experience with these, but they are out there. I do have a Tom-Tom driving direction GPS and it works very well for that, but is not an off-road unit. I also use 2 garmin hand held units and they both work very well. One has a built-in GMRS 2-way radio, although I've never used it for 2-way other than playing with it (provided by work). I also have a Garmin GPS III pilot aviation handheld and it is also a fantastic little unit with built-in aviation map database. Both of these also have a "base map" that includes major roads, waters, cities and state boundaries. The maps are a little hard to make out at times because the displays are small.

If you are just wanting to check your boat speedometer, surely you can find someone you know that will loan you one for an outing. Seems a little pricey to buy one just to check your speedo.

Good luck
 

phipps

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I dont know about the hand helds but my father uses his Garmin from his car (NUVI). Works good for MPH and he is able to mark all his favorite spots on different bodies of water using lat. and long. coordinates and return later. It just looks strange on the screen with a car driving through the huge lake.


Be careful using a Nuvi on a boat, they are not waterproof. The handheld units as well as the marine units are waterproof.
 

Boatist

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I have two GPS handeld units and they both work great.
I have a older Garmin GPSMAP 76 and a 2 year old Lowrance IFinder H2O C.

I like the Lowrance IFinder H2O C the best by far.

My older GPSMap 76 Works perfect but the older unit has better maps than the newer units. They down graded the maps for some reason where the base map is not as detailed on the newer units. Also driving in the car in the daytime the screen is so dim you can not take your eyes off the road long enough to see where your are. If your a passenger then it find, you can move it into the light and be able to use it just fine. Also the screen is very slow to redraw. Driving thru a forest it looses satellites a lot more often than the other unit. All the keys are above the screen so anything you do blocks out the screen until you move you hand. If you want a power cord to run off the car that is another $35.

The Lowrance IFinder H2O C is color and in the car it is a lot brighter. It comes with a free lighter power cord. The Screen redraws twice as fast as the garmin. The keys are below the screen so if you change settings like to zoom in you can see the screen the whole time. The Base Map is twice as detailed as the old garmin and 4 time as detailed as the base map on the new garmin GPSMAP 76. It is cheaper also.

My dislikes on it is the Alarm is very hard to here driving on a noisy road.
Also the batteries are harder to change on the lowrance. However since I use the power cord in the car have never had to change batteries while driving or on the boat.

Can you find your car in the Mall of Americia park lot with either the answer is probably no unless your on the top floor. The concreat is very good as blocking signal unless you go out where you can see the sky. Inside the mall also would not work in a lot of it. Should work in the amusement park. Also the elevation takes 4 satellites and is within about 100 feet but that could cover several floors.

Man Over Board is a very good features and I think almost every GPS has it.
In a calm inland lake probably not worth the trouble to use it. Out in the open ocean on a rough day is another storry. If somone falls over board and you can not get a roap to them right now to get then back on board then you need it. First assign someone to watch the person in the water and nothing else. Next step is to get all the gear in so you can makes the turns to get back to your MOB without rapping the gear around the props and stopping your from going back. Then you go get your guy. Out here the water is very cold and people do not last long in the water.
People also use it for other things. If you go thru a school of fish and get 3 hooks up hit the MOB button. When you get the fish in you can go right back to the spot and catch some more, Or if someone drops a pole your can mark the spot quick and come right back to the spot and see if you can snag it.

Anyway go to a store that has both units and compare your self. Make sure you check how fast it redraws when you zoom in or out. Check the map details for a area you know on both units. See which one is brighter.

Going to a store that has the units your thinking about is 4 times as good as serching on line or a catalog.

I think you may need it more than you think as Mall of Americia is not in IOWA.
 

arks

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

The first generation of handheld GPS units were VERY slow to aquire satellites, and then frequently lost them (I had a Garmin 32 and it was terrible). The next generation was MUCH better.
I've had a basic yellow-case eTrex for the past 5 or 6 years and love it. It has all the functions you want, is waterproof and floats. I don't miss the mapping feature at all. You can buy them new for under 100 bucks. IMO it's a great value.
 

chrisg

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

Thanks, I see my posting was moved. I did not know this forum existed! ( so much for looking at the top list of forums!)

I will have to go to a place to see these GPS units, But the problem is around here, usually the stores are Wal-mart,bet-buy or target, and you most likely get a sales kid who will ask you how to spell 'GPS'. So I think I would just be on my own to examine these. And I figured I would just add it to my christmas wish list, so I want something that will do more then speed. ( and help me find the MOA, as I have never been. ( Wife wants to go, will have to attach the brinks truck on the back of the car.)
 

Silvertip

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

If by MOA you mean Mall of America, that's the last place I would look for a GPS. I see you are from Iowa so if you really feel the need to visit MOA, you would go up Interstate 35 but when you hit Owatonna, MN, pull into Cabelas. They have all the GPS models and the people that actually know how to use them. The mall is not all it's cracked up to be but it is big, interesting, but just a bunch of stores that you don't have to drive to. They are all under one roof -- and expensive so your thoughts on the Brinks truck do hold true. As for directions -- continue up I-35 and then follow I-35E at the I-35W/I-35E split. About three miles after the split, take the hiway 77/Cedar Avenue exit. Go north and you will see the Mall on your right as you approach interstate 494.
 

flawet

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I have the Garmin 76 (white) handheld and the earlier 48 model. I have been pleased with both. GPS gets better with every generation. You might find a deal on a used 76 on Ebay. They are tough little units. I sank 1 boat with it floating inside of my "What if" bag and it sill worked, only to leave it on the hood of my truck a year later and realized it 5 miles down the road. It bounced off and onto the highway at bout 50mph, I found it and it still works fine. (it does have some intersting roadrash on the case) Yeah, I would buy another one, but I can't seem to lose this one.
 

chrisg

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

first off, its the wife's idea to go to the MOA, not mine. And I called some 'sporting goods' stores around here, and you cant even hold one ( you can see the box). the sales personnel don't know anything about them. ( perhaps in Iowa, you don't need one, just stand atop of yer red-neck pick-em-up and see where the town is.

Also, That's why I could use a GPS device, to find these good hunting and fishing stores, and to avoid danger zones, like the MOA.

I'm the type of person who needs to see a map to determine how to get from A to B, cant just follow driving instructions. I like to see that exit 54 is after that big overpass, or past the 3rd town.

Would these units with maps allow me to look at a map like that? It also looks like you have to buy updated maps every so often.

I saw they are sellling of a discontinued Gramin ( replace with the 'h' version,) just it is waterproof, but does not float. So how many have used the floating feature of theirs?

Unfortunatly no one I found around here has a hand held GPS that I can see. ( Heck, most people around here think I'm stupid for having a boat, let alone 5)
 

fishingdan

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I will second the recommendation for the Lowrance iFinder H20. I have the monochrome version and have used it for the last 4 years. The built in map is ok. If you get the Map Create software you can use it to load a better map on a memory card. The Map Create map will merge with the built in map. I used it for 3 years in the inshore waters of New England in this manner. If you want more map detail of the water, you can purchase optional maps from Lowrance or Navionics. I added the Lowrance NautiPath map before this season and love it.
 

Jerico

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I'll side with the Lowrance H20. Since there was a $100 difference in the monochrome and color, I went for the monochrome and spent the $100 on the lake map software.

I use it for planning routes on trips in my car, but with a smaller screen and no voice don't rely on it while driving. In the boat I use it constantly. I will not go out in the boat after dark at all without it. Between trails to follow back and the maps that show obstacles it has proven well worth the investment.
 

Boatist

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

The handhelds are great. You can use it in the car but most do not have the maps to show you the turns. It will show many street names.
You would have set a waypoint to know when you reached your turn.

You can use it hiking to find your way out and back. The lowrance MapCreate with card reader have most of the major trails.

You can use it when you go on a party boat to mark positions where you fished or where you caught fish.

On the boat you can go back to the same fishing spot where you caught fish on sunny days, foggy days, or at night.

I use mine any time I take the boat out or any trip in the car that I do not go every day. I do not use it to find my way to work.

I even use it in the grave yard to quickly find grave Sites.

Do not buy a unit unseen. Find a Cabela's, Bas Pro Shops, West Marine, Boating world or go to one of the major Boat shows. The web sites and catalogs all make the units look great but there big differences and many do not look anything like on the web site.

One thing that drives me crasy with my GPSMAP 76 is when running in track up mode in the car. Track up mode is where the direction you are heading is at the top of the screen. So if your driving on a windy road in the mountains or along the coast the unit is constantly redrawing the maps. The 76 redraws so slow the screen is blank most of the time. I have to switch to Course up or North up mode. On the boat where you tend to travel more in straight lines it works pretty good unless you zoom in or out.
 

fishingdan

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I tried using my H20 in the car a few times when I first got it. It wasn't that practical. While the unit is great for water sports and my son likes it for geo caching, it wasn't designed for auto use. I think the results would have been the same with any of the handhelds available at that time. Today, I keep the h20 in the boat and have a separate inexpensive turn-by-turn unit in the car (magellan, but could have been any of them).
 

marquette

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

my ice fishing partner bought himself a lowrance H2O ifinder last year as a xmas present to himself. it uses the lakemaps software. since you are in iowa i would think that lakemaps probably has the best software for local lakes. we have tested it for accuracy on the lake compared to the map and it is almost scary it is so accurate. when it says you shoild be on the edge of a 10 to ft break you will be with in a step or 2 of dead on. we have used it to locate launch ramps on lakes we are not familiar with and it has pretty good driving directions. we have compared it to the speedometer in the truck and they seem real close. an analog speedpmeter in the truck vs digital on the GPS so exact is a needle width differance. compared to my old magellan it is much easier on batteries. it's great on the lake but because of the screen size not so good for a driving GPS. a 2in screen at 60mph doesn't give much warning. he bought it at cabela's in rogers,mn for $299. i see they have come down about $30 since last xmas.
if you don't stop at cabela's as you come north on I35 there is a big Gander mountain on the west side of I35 in lakeville that also carries a large selection of GPS. if you decide to mail order check out Reed's sporting goods in walker mn. i know in the spring they are usually down and dirty with their electronics pricing.
 

chrisg

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

Thanks for the replies, there is a Gander mountain in my town, I'll go check them out. I was thinking, since I dont have that much water to run in only rivers), perhaps a car one is better, as LETS_fish indicated. Perhaps you can get a cover for them to protect it from splashes. I'll have to go and play with some to see what they are like.

Thanks all
 

chrisg

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Well, the people at the Gander mountain don't know anything about GPS either, and did not have any to see ( only behide the glass, in a box) looks like I will have to rely on reviews on the internet.

And the Garmine NUVI is a 'cross over' which can be use for hiking and is water proof.

I came across this unit called the Garmin Quest II, which may do the job. since most of my boating is on Iowa rivers, there are no water charts around this area. and this thing is water proof also ( and not that much).

But I was told I can't buy anything else, I used up my quota of 'guy toys' for this year! :(
 

jay_merrill

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I have a Garmin ETrex handheld. If I remember correctly, it was about $80 for the yellow version, and $90 for the camo version. I have a camo covered unit, but Academy Sports sold it to me for the lower price because they were out of the yellow ones. If you have an Acadamy Sports store in your area, they are pretty good about that sort of thing.

The ETrex is a very basic unit, without a map display. I bought it primarily because I had been doing some SAR missions for the US Coast Guard and the Louisiana Dept of Wildlife and Fisheries. Both tend to use GPS coordinates to indicate the center point of a search area, so I needed something to plan expanding square or sector type searches.

For what they are (basic, inexpensive units), the ETrex GPS are pretty good. My main complaint with them is that the menu/entry system uses small buttons that are a bit clumsy. There are four buttons to use (one on the right side, three on the left) and it takes a bit of time to get used to which ones do what. Because of the way you have to use the buttons, and flip through various menus, operation of the ETrex is somewhat slow. That said, with time you do get used to them, and operation becomes much faster.

The waypoint name capability is also limited, so you end up using abbreviations all the time. I don't have mine handy at the moment, but my memory is telling me that you can only use 6 characters for each name. The problem with this, is that you end up putting in abbreviations that make sense when you enter them, but may be hard to remember later on. This is especially true, once you have have a bunch of them stored. On the slowness of input issue, this is the worst area because you have to move through a list of each number (0 - 9) and each letter, to input the appropriate character in each of the six character "positions." Even if you have a three character name, you still have to move through the remaining three character positions and leave an underline character there.

One handy feature that the ETrex does have, is a simulated operation mode. GPS units are "line of sight" receivers, and do not acquire the satelite signals well, or at all, if there is a physical barrier between the antenna and the sky. Since the antenna in a handheld is, of course, in the unit, you lose satelite reception, as soon as you go indoors. The simulated operation mode in the ETrex allows you to practice and learn the menu/operations of the unit, while sitting in your home. You can also plug in waypoints while in that mode. I find this feature to be very handy for taking a known position, such as a search datum position or reef position for fishing, and entering it into the GPS.

Another useful feature of the ETrex is the tracking mode. While in the tracking mode, a figure of a man walking is diplayed on the screen, with a path behind him. Since the memory on the unit is limited, it has an ability to set the distance between marking points of the track. If you only want to track for a short distance, you can set the tracking resolution to a short distance between points. For longer distance tracking needs, you could run out of memory if the resolution was set this way, so the ETrex allows you to set the points to a much wider distance. I don't use the tracking feature much, but it does come in handy if I have to go up into a bayou that I am not familiar with at night. I just track on the way in, and then follow it out when I depart. This feature is also very handy when fog is possible or expected, later in the cruise or mission.

The Etrex GPS screen is only backlit when you want it to be. The back lighting is activated when you depress and release the on/off key quickly. I don't remember the duration capability, but the max duration is pretty short. There is some variability and it is set via a menu entry. Because the duration can only be set for up to three minutes or so, if you need to see the screen a lot at night, you have to keep depressing the on/off key.

You could use the ETrex to monitor speed while in the "goto" mode. In this mode, you just select a waypoint (it doesn't matter which one) and select "goto" on the menu. Once the unit is tracking to or from a waypoint, it presents a screen that has a compass rose with a pointer on it, along with a window that gives speed.

Battery power for the ETrex is two, double A cells. I've never checked the duration of the battery life if left on continuoulsy, but its not very long - probably about eight hours. I am finding that a lot of portable electronics these days, even the less expensive items, have an option for use of double A batteries, or a rechargeable llithium ion battery pack. For example, my Midland handheld VHF radio will take either, and the LI battery pack can be charged right in the unit, via a "wall wart" or cigarette lighter type charger, that plugs into the side of the radio. This is something that I really wish the ETRex had.

While the ETrex is a very basic unit, and has a few drawbacks, I think it is pretty good for the money. I am probably going to buy a dash mounted unit, with map display and much richer programming functions, but the ETrex gets the basic job done. On the cost/benefit scale, I think they are a great buy.
 

phipps

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I have the eTrex Vista C and really like it. It is one of the handhelds and I can download maps to the unit if I want to use it for traveling in my car. I could even download Inland Lakes if I wanted to use it on an unfamiliar lake.
 

waterinthefuel

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Re: Hand held GPS questions

I will second the recommendation for the Lowrance iFinder H20. I have the monochrome version and have used it for the last 4 years. The built in map is ok. If you get the Map Create software you can use it to load a better map on a memory card. The Map Create map will merge with the built in map. I used it for 3 years in the inshore waters of New England in this manner. If you want more map detail of the water, you can purchase optional maps from Lowrance or Navionics. I added the Lowrance NautiPath map before this season and love it.

I will 3rd the recommendation for the Lowrance I finder H20c. I love it and its just the perfect unit, not only waterproof but it floats!
 
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