Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

[Mengwalton]

Hello everyone,

I have what I believe to be an old 20-30 hp johnson, I got the motor with a boat I bought and am restoring, well infact the boats all done. I'm a marine engineer in the Merchant navy and have just come back from sea and with my time off I thought i'de try to restore this old motor it looks old but it also looks solid and the compression is great. However there is no spark! I am planning on removing the flywheel in the next couple of days and mabie taking the whole thing to bits, let loose with some tools and get it looking decent and running. I am having trouble finding out the model of the motor the model ID plate has being painted over and when I removed the paint there was nothing left the only thing thats left is the number on the core in the middle (see photos) I have read through the forum and it has helped alot. Although I am a marine engineer these engines are completely new to me and although obviously I have a good idea what im doing but every engine is different and I am hoping with the experience on here someone can tell me what model it is so I can try my best to source some parts. Any tips would be much appreciated. Plus I believe this oldi has points witch im not too sure about how to check and replace those as I believe they are responsible for my lack of a spark.
Any help no matter how small would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks
John

 

[nwcove]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

have a look at the top secret file at the beginning of this forum for tips on how to get it running. a pic of the cowl may help the guys identify what you have .

 

[twocyclemania]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Looks early 60's. The white color indicates a Johnson but it could be a SeaKing or Gale. The carb looks like it's from a 15 (Gale, Seaking or Johnson 18. Just my stab at it. Again, the cowl would help. Regardless of which one it is it's a great motor. Good luck!

 

[F_R]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

EDIT, deleting my previous comments. You have a 15hp Gale motor. Somewhere between 1960 and 1963.

 

[Mengwalton]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

EDIT, deleting my previous comments. You have a 15hp Gale motor. Somewhere between 1960 and 1963.

Gale ? never heard of that here in the U.K. ?? can you clarify for me please
I will post a Photo of the cowl tomorrow sometime its nearly midnight here in england if you think that would help.
One more thing thats bugging me is the M on the silver core doesn't make any sense to me, neither do the numbers at first I thought it may

Many Thanks
John

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

GALE was a division of Outboard Marine and Manufacturing. They were the producers of the more familiar Johnson, Evinrude and a half dozen other private brand outboards. Gale was division to sell to the wholesalers selling to sporting goods and hardware stores. They were low priced and affordable outboards, yet still reliable. The line was actually dubbed Buccaneer and debuted in 1950, but over the years was changed to Gale, with Buccaneer becoming a model.

I believe the last year was 1963.

 

[Mengwalton]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Done abit of looking around the M is indeed the symbol for Gale Products, I just need to find out the exact model now so I can have a manual for the parts! . Looking forward to this one might be a challenge especially since alot of the bolts look like they may have stayed in the exact position they were put there in 1960-63 I wish the serial number on the engine could help me link it to a particular model and year.... hmmm mabie a email to gale may help ? Do you think I will have a massive problem trying to find spare parts..... also is there a way to change it to electronic ignition or am I best sticking to the points?

All your help is much appriciated

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Stick with the magneto ignition. Parts are easily had in most cases. PM me with your email address, I likely have a parts manual for you.

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

There are guys that have the serial number year lists past 1961, but that is as far as I can help with.

 

[Mengwalton]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Just tried PM'ing you it says your inbox is full...... any parts lists or manuals you have for my serial/model number of similar would be greatly appreciated

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Yeah I just deleted my inbox.

Im sorry, should have looked before offering, but my Gale manuals only go up to 1959. Hopefully someone else can help out.

 

[Mengwalton]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Yeah I just deleted my inbox.

Im sorry, should have looked before offering, but my Gale manuals only go up to 1959. Hopefully someone else can help out.

Okay mate, Thanks for looking although im not sure what year or Hp the motor is so it may be that it is 1959< but the other guy seems sure that its between 1960-1962. Until i find someone who can relate my serial to a model/year I suppose we can just guess

Thanks again

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

If F_R says it is from '60 to '63, it is from '60 to '63, trust him.

 

[AlTn]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

you can try BRP customer service for a serial no./year confirmation

 

[Mengwalton]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

you can try BRP customer service for a serial no./year confirmation

You think it's worth a try? I thought someone might b able to help. Where can I get some replacements for the ignition system

 

[steelespike]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

I wonder if the M stands for Montgomery Ward?
Coils for the Gale 15 should be available Here at iboats. Coils for 15hp E/J motors 51-72 are 18-5181
also contact set 18-5156 fits many models 1950-1990.1.5 to40 hp.Should work on your Gale .
I think you can get reprint factory parts manuals and service manuals here at iboats.
I understand parts manual is very helpful determining Gale part numbers for BRP dealers.

 

[Mengwalton]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

I wonder if the M stands for Montgomery Ward?
Coils for the Gale 15 should be available Here at iboats. Coils for 15hp E/J motors 51-72 are 18-5181
also contact set 18-5156 fits many models 1950-1990.1.5 to40 hp.Should work on your Gale .
I think you can get reprint factory parts manuals and service manuals here at iboats.
I understand parts manual is very helpful determining Gale part numbers for BRP dealers.

Thanks very much for the info, the problem I'm having is finding out the model from my serial number as I can't order any parts or even get a drawing or manual without it :/ I shall send a few emails tmorrow and see where I get Thanks for the info, if any anyone can identify the model frm the serial it would help massively
Thanks you, good night from england

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Im guessing your model number would be one of the following if in fact it is a Montgomery Ward model and 15hp:

1960: GG8823A Deluxe
1961: GG18737A or GG18737B Deluxe
1962: GG18737C or GG18737D Deluxe
1963: GG18802A Deluxe or GG18734C

 

[Mengwalton]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Im guessing your model number would be one of the following if in fact it is a Montgomery Ward model and 15hp:

1960: GG8823A Deluxe
1961: GG18737A or GG18737B Deluxe
1962: GG18737C or GG18737D Deluxe
1963: GG18802A Deluxe or GG18734C

Thanks ill keep that in mind, Im having some trouble removing the lower unit so I can get to the powerhead..... ive opened the port on the side where the gear rods couple together but im yet to find away to undo the connection its a strange connection cosisting of 2 bots.... i shall post a picture later. There is also a long horizontal port just above the 'trim tab'? but i am unable to open it at this time. It also has small holes drilled in the corner is this my problem

Many Thanks

 

[Mengwalton]

Re: Having some trouble with an old motor.... when i say some.....

Scrap that, got the lower lower unit off ) i must say for 196? motor the metalwork inside looks like it was built yesterday also i see no signs of corrosion at all i think it may have not being used alot, now the next task is to get the powerhead out any help would be much appriciated