Helicopter tragedy in Phoenix

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Drowned Rat

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I don't know if this has made national news yet or not, but 2 news helicopters just collided in midair and crashed into a park in the middle of the city here in Phoenix. The aviation community is pretty close knit here and I knew the pilots well. Scott and Craig will be missed. I am working today, but I hope we don't have to fly anywhere. Makes me wonder why the heck I'm in this business with 2 young kids at home.
 

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As a member of the aviation community, yes I did see it, and yes it is sad. Lives lost so an idiot running in a car could be followed. Just get his license plate number and let him get away. They'll eventually run across him again and can take him in a less dramatic fashion.
 

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The guy is barracaded in a house right now. The police are already saying he'll be charged with the deaths of the helicopter crews.
 

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Television station KNXV reported that it owned one of the choppers. The other was from KTVK. A pilot and photographer aboard each chopper were killed.

Within a minute, other stations with helicopters in the area began reporting news of the crash.

KNXV reporter Craig Smith, who was among the dead, was reporting live as police chased a man driving a construction truck who had fled a traffic stop and was driving erratically, hitting several cars and driving on the sidewalk at times.
Police had blown the truck?s tires, and the man eventually parked it, then carjacked another vehicle nearby.

As police closed in, Smith said, ?Oh geez!?
After the picture broke up, the station switched to the studio and then briefly showed regular programming, a soap opera, before announcing that the helicopter had crashed.

The two choppers came down on the grass lawn in front of a boarded-up church at the park. Firefighters swarmed to the area as thick black smoke rose from the scene.

'Oh my God'
Mary Lewis said she was stuck in traffic with her four grandsons and was watching the helicopters. She turned to talk to the children, then saw a fireball in the air when she looked up again.
?I looked up and I see this ?boom,? and I see one of the helicopters coming down, and I said ?Oh my God,?? Lewis said. She said she went to the crash site to help, but there was nothing she could do.
?It?s nothing there,? Lewis said. ?Just burned-up stuff.?

Barbara Cochran, president of the Radio-Television News Directors Association in Washington, said the association does not track fatalities among helicopter news pilots, but she could not recall another example of two news choppers colliding while covering a story.

?The news directors at the stations are members of our association, and our heart really goes out to them in a situation like this,? she said. ?These pilots, they are very professional. They combine the skills of pilots and skills as journalists. It?s something that?s very, very sad.?
 

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High speed chases are so stinkin easy to stop, but I guess there is no money in it.
All it would take is the car manufacturers to install a solenoid on the throttle cable hooked to a remote receiver circuit exactly like those found in lots of electronics (TV's, stereos, garage doors ect), and a cop with the proper remote control!
These clowns are too stupid with-a "T", or just PLAYING stupit for job security, or the sensational footage -- I don't know which (cause i am stupit).

If they did that, a cop could slip-in behind the moron, hit "volume control", and the throttle is cut-loose from the foot -- the car could only idle then.... No stupiT flat tire thingies, ramming manuevers, or engine loss.
And if you still wanted to break-in on Oprah with a live report, your camera doood could do it on a BICYCLE!!! You would neeeed no stinkin helicopter.
Jeeeez lew-eaze!!
How many more inocent people gotta die due to mutants in cars for footage?
EDIT (suprise-suprise) : I recently bought an AM/FM CD alarm radio with a remote for 22buks.
Dumb-axe cheapo car makers.
 

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I am verry sorry to hear this, and I have nothing but sympathy for these pilots and camera-persons, and especially for their families and friends. With that said . . . I fail to see how this could be any level of murder, even manslaughter. These guys were not protecting the public, nor were they innocent bystanders struck by the fleeing car. One or all of them messed up trying to make money off of the chase, it is that simple. I am not sure that even Johnny Cochran could prove anything else . . . definitely not to me.

BTW, I hope the scumbag that has carjacked etc. dies in a hail of gunfire. Just in case you thought for one second that I have any sympathy fore the flippin' arsehole!
 

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Yeah QC, I tend to agree about the charges thing although, the police do utilize the ENG choppers for their high tech surveillance capabilities from time to time. I guess an argument could be made, but it doesn't really matter. As for the scumbag, his end came in the jaws of a police dog. Chewed him up pretty good I guess. He's in the hospital now getting treatment.
 

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I've wondered for a long time now when this would happen. When you watch the chase footage these guys shoot you often see the shadows of other helicopters on the ground or other helicopters coming in and out of frame.
 

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I am verry sorry to hear this, and I have nothing but sympathy for these pilots and camera-persons, and especially for their families and friends. With that said . . . I fail to see how this could be any level of murder, even manslaughter. These guys were not protecting the public, nor were they innocent bystanders struck by the fleeing car. One or all of them messed up trying to make money off of the chase, it is that simple. I am not sure that even Johnny Cochran could prove anything else . . . definitely not to me.

BTW, I hope the scumbag that has carjacked etc. dies in a hail of gunfire. Just in case you thought for one second that I have any sympathy fore the flippin' arsehole!

My thoughts exactly......If you choose to place yourself in harms way as a reporter sans any official authority you get what comes your way.
 

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My thoughts exactly......If you choose to place yourself in harms way as a reporter sans any official authority you get what comes your way.

Wow, that's kinda cold. Would you say that the reporters who died in Iraq got what they had coming to them?

They're just out there doing their job. They're not money grubbers, they're just making a meager living like most of the rest of us. Anyway...
 

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Wow, that's kinda cold. Would you say that the reporters who died in Iraq got what they had coming to them?

They're just out there doing their job. They're not money grubbers, they're just making a meager living like most of the rest of us. Anyway...

That could have been worded better, I did come off colder than intended. As for any war reporters, they choose their profession and can refuse any assignment. Its their choice to place themselves in harms way.I feel for those they left behind, the ones they chose to leave.:confused::confused::(
 

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Wow, that's kinda cold... Would you say that the reporters who died in Iraq got what they had coming to them?

They're just out there doing their job. They're not money grubbers, they're just making a meager living like most of the rest of us. Anyway...
That was cold. Coldly blunt. We all make choices in life. These pilots were probably very accomplished, safe, and competent. No doubt, they got their training in the military. And the camera jockeys who they were with were professionals also. No matter how meager the living we make is, we are amoung some very dangerous people... People who would drink a fifth of jack and get behind the wheel.
This was the very real trajedy, but it WAS preventable. Totally preventable. So you ask yourself, "why did it happen?"

On a personal note: I fealt an explanation to you was in order. When I stated "these people were stupiT" in my reply above, i was mainly refering mainly to OSHA, and the auto industry. THey are either stupiT, or greedy. THIS is where the "grubbing" is, not in the air, outside of the "grubbing" each one of us do if we are gainfully employed. Many of us take risks just driving IN to werk, because those mutants are out there amoung the drunks and druggies also.
It is insanely-stupid when it would cost about 20buks per veicle to STOP the carnage. But that will never, ever happen --- And why is that, DR?
 

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HMMMMMM......
I don't know 12.....
I don't think I want Big Brother or Gubmint with that type of corntrol whether it is in the name of public safety or not......:eek:
I think car jackers should just be shot......;)
The pilot's & reporters deaths, while tragic, are/were their responsibility not the carjacker......
Flying in anything is a danger......:rolleyes:
 

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you can count me out with the government installed relays in my car, 12. I thought you were a small government type? You would MANDATE that the auto manufacturers build cars like this? .... hmm

About the choppers, there is only one reason they were up there: more viewers for their stations, hence more $ from advertisers. They weren't performing any kind of useful public service, just helping the general public rubberneck at yet another dangerous and tragic stunt starring some worthless crackhead and the police.

If you want to charge someone with murder, how about the station managers who sent those guys out there to try to scoop the competition on what is basically a non-event. Or at least was, until the choppers collided.

A tragedy, yes, especially for the famlies and friends of those who died. And especially so since their deaths were totally unnecessary and happened for no good reason.
 

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I agree that there is no way that murder charges will stick. He had nothing to do with those helo's crashing, they were there by choice, to try to get ratings. It's ashame they died, but the guy in the car had nothing to do with it.

Not a chance in hell it will stick, SBN.
 

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guys! let it rest. Who the hell cares about who's fault it is. These guys were my friends and colleagues. If you think they got what they deserve, kindly keep it to yourself or start your own damn thread.
 

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Sorry for your loss, DR........
It is a tragedy.......:(
 
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