help me identify my outdrive

[jackel440]

I am a newb ,and i am trying to figure out which drive i have so I can buy the correct parts for my boat.I am at a loss to figure out which one I have.I believe it is a 270 ,but i am not sure.
The boat i bought is supposed to be a 1968 Glastron,but by the serial numbers it looks to maybe be a 1972.I do know it has a 307 chevy motor in it.I will post a link to my album,If anyone can help me identify this sucker I will be fast on my way to get it back in the water.The outside cover fell off along time ago is what i was told so i don't have it.

 

[kamby]

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The definatly does look like a 270 drive. Almost looks like that exhaust outlet is too small for the V8. I think someone may have switched lower units around at sometime.

Good new is any 270-290 drive cover will fit. Same with the lower units as long as there geared right.(i think) Some of the others can confirm this i dont know much about these drives.

 

[jackel440]

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I do appreciate the advice.I just got it home,and i need to replace the bellows on it.I also noticed there is supposed to be a dipstick on a bolt in the very top of the drive,and mine is missing.I just want to make sure when i get parts i know that i am ordering the correct ones.
I haven't seen a listing that says what all is interchangeable on these drives.So I wanted to ask someone who knows more than i do.

 

[kamby]

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This is a good site to ask, with the drive timmed down you should see a tag that has the model number and serial number, if its still there post them and they might be able to pinpoint to the correct drive. Spitten imgage of a volvo penta 270 drive. Altleast the exhaust flap and lower unit.

Nice looking boat, looks like it would be a fun project. Good luck. Really like that swim ladder.

 

[jackel440]

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Well It does have the plastic tag rivited right on top ,but the crazy thing is there is nothing on it.Just my luck huh!Thats why I am wanting to make sure I have the right model number.I can't haul it anywhere at the moment so I can't take it to a marina.That's why i am trying to find out what it is on here.
I can get closer up pics if that would help.

 

[kamby]

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On the engine, does it say AQ225 (possibly with a letter after it)? Or is it another designation?

While the picture does help narrow it down, there is almost no difference visually between the 270 and 275 drive (in fact most of the parts are interchangeable.)

Does the boat have a HID number? If so post it as that can help track its year of manufacture which would help pin down what the drive is.

In his page of pictures on the engine i didnt see a tag for who made it or a model # of the engine just said glastron. Hard to say though on a 41 y/o boat a lot of stuff could have gotten switched around. Different engine mated to a volvo housing and drive.

Make sure you cover that dipstick tube hole dont want any water getting into the gears. May also want to check to make sure you have the magnetic drain plug at the bottom of the drive.

Go to volvopentastore.com and you can look up the 2 drives, 270 - 275 amd see of the part numbers match for the cover and the dipstick tube. I belive the covers are universal between the 270-280. Not sure about the dipstick tube.

THe boat might have a HID, but i dont think they were required until the late 70's. My cousins quatermaster was etched on using a dremel.

 

[jackel440]

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Ok guys thanks for the info.I will try and answer what you have asked.The resistration lists the boat as an 68' I was told on the Glastronowners website (which is a great site).That by the serial number under the gunwhale that my hull is actually a 72'.My boat does have an HIN etched or dremeled into the hull from the State of Indiana.
The dipstick that i take is supposed to be in the top of the gear box is supposed to be attached to the bottom of the screw correct?I have the screw.It just doesn't have a stick attched to it.
I will try to get some more details for you guys when i go back out to the shop in a little bit.I have been workin on the nieghbors excavator all morning.

 

[jackel440]

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On the engine, does it say AQ225 (possibly with a letter after it)? Or is it another designation?

While the picture does help narrow it down, there is almost no difference visually between the 270 and 275 drive (in fact most of the parts are interchangeable.)

Does the boat have a HID number? If so post it as that can help track its year of manufacture which would help pin down what the drive is.

Where would I find this AQ225 or any other number designation on the engine?I have tried but to know luck.I have found the plate at the bell housing which gives the engine tune specs.

 

[kamby]

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It should say on the bell housing the model number serial and i think engine. But who knows over the years what got switched out.

Not sure if this link will be of any help but it lists all of volvo's aquamatic stern drives.

http://www.volvo.com/internet/vebiz...9-8342-1a8d54f0f60a&area=VolvoCom+Volvo+Penta

might be able to identify your drive from it.

 

[captmello]

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You most likely have a 270. 275's were not around back then. Hard to tell. Volvo had the AQ210 with the 307 for a couple of years, the AQ225 is a 305. Have a look at this link. type in aq210 in the engine type box and see what info appears.

http://www.volvo.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marine_leisure_engines/parts_service/publication_search/publication_search.htm

Note the Manifolds look different. Could have been changed out at some time. Seems to me, we had this same discussion on another Glastron a few months back. Never did get to the bottom of it however. I think you should work that Glastron website for more info. It could be a crusader engine made for glastron.

I hope that dipstick hasn't fallen down into the drive.

Kamby was right about the swim ladder, very cool!!

Please let us know what you find out.

 

[jackel440]

Re: help me identify my outdrive

You most likely have a 270. 275's were not around back then. Hard to tell. Volvo had the AQ210 with the 307 for a couple of years, the AQ225 is a 305. Have a look at this link. type in aq210 in the engine type box and see what info appears.

http://www.volvo.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marine_leisure_engines/parts_service/publication_search/publication_search.htm

Note the Manifolds look different. Could have been changed out at some time. Seems to me, we had this same discussion on another Glastron a few months back. Never did get to the bottom of it however. I think you should work that Glastron website for more info. It could be a crusader engine made for glastron.

I hope that dipstick hasn't fallen down into the drive.

Kamby was right about the swim ladder, very cool!!

Please let us know what you find out.

Thanks for the compliments,I have been out buffing the oxidation off of it today.I am going to back out and get some the paper i wrote some stuff on.
What do I do if that dipstick has fallen off inside?How far into the unit could it have went?I guess i could pu;; that top gear housing off to see.

I checked that page ,and it does list the 270 with a 307 engine,but my manifolds are definately different.I wish I could find something with the exact same set up as mine to go off of.
I will post some more in a little bit.

 

[captmello]

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In one of your photo's it shows the sticker from the valve cover where it says 210 HP and next to that it says manufactured by... Does it say who is the manufacturer or is it just a symbol?

 

[jackel440]

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Captmello, Yes i did get that info.It says manufactured by Crusader Marine.
Ia that any help on this little venture?I also got the numbers on the plate at the flywheel location.It says model L.H.210 serial # 46225.Then it lised the plug gap,and timing specs and so on.
I couldn't find anyother numbers or tags.I did load some pics of the drive to my webshots account.They are close ups of it.Thought maybe that would help.Is there any other place to look for numbers or tags?
the pics are on page 3 and 4

 

[captmello]

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Well, I looked up some glastron info as I'm sure you have. From the info I found It looks to be a 1970. In '71 the engines changed on that model. Looks to be a very unique boat. '68 - '70 shows up to 210HP.

http://www.classicglastron.com/

manufactured by Crusader Marine

Thanks for solving that issue. I don't know what to say about parts for that engine. It does explain the different manifolds and a few different looking parts. I'm not sure of the availability however.

As to the outdrive, You may never know if it is in fact a 270. Back then they were still using 250's and even may have used some 200's. I just don't know how to tell the difference. They were very subtle.


Have a look at these parts breakdowns. One thing I noticed on the top cover right behind the dipstick hole is a screw going into the cover. Yours doesn't have the screw.

http://www.volvopentastore.com/UPPER_GEAR_UNIT_AQ_DRIVE_UNIT_270_270T/dm/*******.575550696--**********.482004354--store_id.366--view_id.317448

On This link to the 280 upper, there is no screw. Interesting. Does it mean anything? I don't know.
http://www.volvopentastore.com/UPPER_GEAR_UNIT_AQ_DRIVE_UNIT_280/dm/*******.575550696--**********.482004354--store_id.366--view_id.327463

I can say that your lower unit is not a 280.

I guess for part sake I'd go with the 270 until you find something that doesn't fit or find better info.

I don't know what to say about the dipstick. You may want to remove the upper gear box and see if you find anything. This will also give you an idea of the internal condition of the outdrive.

You appear to have your work cut out for. That tilt mechanism wiring looks bad. It's missing the limit switch from the top, that where those two wires go. Does the tilt work at all? I guess I'm getting ahead of things now.

I hope you fix this boat up. It really looks like a cool boat. Before you start spending money, try to get an idea of the condition of the floor and stringers. If those are rotten, your looking at a lot more work and money.

Good luck too you, Post any and all questions you may have and we'll do our best to help you along.

 

[jackel440]

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Yes the tilt mechanism works.If that iis the limit switch that is missing then that is why it doesn't stop till you let off the switch.Yes everything else seems to work.

The bottom seems to be in good condition.I am looking forward to getting it in the water some day.My wife and i are going to recover all the seats ourselves ,and make new bottoms for it.

I was looking at the wall in the boat that is cut out where the engine is.the ones were the engine cover butts up against.I wonder if the wall has been cut to make room for those manifolds?I am not sure ,but it looks to have been modified.I know the tag to show how to level the engine mounts is still on the intake manifold.It is old ,but is still readable.
AS far as parts for the motor its a small block chevy.I had a friend get me an HEI distributer to upgrade the ignition.I have had it fire on a splash of gas.So I will be tuning it up and going through a few things till she all works again.
Yeah it is definately a unique boat.I plan to enjoy it with my family.I will just have to buy parts for a 270 until something doesn't fit i guess.

 

[Don S]

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I was reading the history section at http://www.glastron.com/us/history.html and read this.

The total-package concept, offering boats with private branding of sterndrives with the Glastron name, was introduced in 1971.

What this means, is they were probably buying the outdrives and transom shields from Volvo, the back cover probably said Glastron on it, and most likely had Crusader makeing the engines that says Glastron on it.

Similar to what SeaRay did with some Mercruiser. They were called Searay engines and drives. But were painted white and still Merc.

If it were me, I would contact glastron http://www.glastron.com/us/contactus.html and send them an email under (General Information) and explain what you have. Bet they will have the info you need.

 

[captmello]

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I think they custom fit the interior to that motor. What I found interesting was the raw water pump. I can't tell where the impeller goes. Have you got the thremo housing? Is the motor mounted on raw wood boards?

Glad to hear the lift is working. running it without that switch is bad for the motor, so pick one up. Be gentle with the lift. Only run idle speed with it down at least half way. don't reverse with it up, its really hard on it. If the outdrive bounces up when you reverse you've got another manditory repair.

Before you run the engine or ever turn it over, as you have already tried, pull off the upper gear box and take a look. Please. Its tempting, but when the engine is turning so is the upper gearbox, ujoints, bearings etc. Take a look. It has to come off to change the bellows regardless. You can run the engine with the upper off anyway. Just make sure you've got a hose hooked up to the water intake in the engine compartment.

One last thing, I'm not familiar with HEI distributors but if its an automotive distributor you are putting yourself and your family, and friends at an unnecessary risk of explosion. Replace the points and condenser on the existing one and get it working. I realize replacements are expensive. Cap, Rotor, Points and condenser, under $100. Cheap in boat world.

I don't recommend throwing parts at it right away, try to get it running the way it is. tune up parts of course are necessary, but only if I couldn't get it going without. If you change out a bunch of parts and it won't start, then you'll have to go over everything again. One thing at a time.

Keep us updated on your progress. Start new threads for specific repairs so we can follow along at home.

 

[jackel440]

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Don, Thanks for that info that would make since on how they packaged the drives in these boats.I will try to email them and see what they can tell me.I figured since it was old they probably wouldn't keep info that far back.I will try though.
Capt. The impellar goes in from the back i believe.I have an extra one that came with the boat.Yes i do have the thermostat housing.My nieghbor pulled it off when he blowed it out and poured antifreeze down into the pump.

The reverse lock down does work so there is no fear of it popping up when in reverse.

As far as the distributer goes it is a solid state ignition system.There is no sparks unlike what you will get when a breaker point set opens and closes.(so it should be safer)It works with a hall effect switch just like these petronix set ups.except you can get the parts easier.

I plan to get the boots changed before i try and run it.I hate to start another boot ,gimbal thread ,but i might have too.If I pull just the upper off you say i can run it that way just need to have water on it? I was going to lower the drive into a horse tank when i start running the engine.I was worried the hose wouldn't supply enough water.

You said to pull the gear box before running.Is that just to make sure the dipstick isn't in there ,or are you refering to look for something else?

 

[Don S]

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As far as the distributer goes it is a solid state ignition system.There is no sparks unlike what you will get when a breaker point set opens and closes.(so it should be safer)It works with a hall effect switch just like these petronix set ups.except you can get the parts easier.

You still have spark, how do you think the spark gets from the rotor to the cap. They do not touch, ir arcs across the opening.
You need a safer distributor, one for marine engines. That thing has a vacuum advance on it, and boats don't work like that.

 

[jackel440]

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You still have spark, how do you think the spark gets from the rotor to the cap. They do not touch, ir arcs across the opening.
You need a safer distributor, one for marine engines. That thing has a vacuum advance on it, and boats don't work like that.

Well I know that,i also know that it has to jump across the old point distributer to get to the plug wire towers from the rotor also.Plus the original distributer has an vacuum advance.So How can the hei one be any less safer then the old primitve points set up.The owners manual even instruct to hook up the vacuum advance after setting the timing.So how else is it supposed to work?I don't see why it won't work.What is different about boats?I know there is the concern over fumes in the boat ,but how can points be safer than solid state components?You still have to contend with the spark at the rotor.And these engines dont come with distrbuterless ignition systems.