help needed-new to RIB'S

[sameh]

hi folks
after a couple of years experience with fishing in fiberglass boat (5 m glastron on a trailer) I decided to go on something lighter, smaller maybe, easier to trail and more economic.
Here, we don't have good spots to get boats in the water. sometimes it is deep sand, in the rest there is not enough deep water so forcing me of seperating the trailer with the boat from the car and pushing both deeper-something that was really hard with a fiberglass 5 m boat with 75 hp outboard, and trailer, together weighing 750 kg.

that is why i think more of Ribs, that should be lighter, demanding smaller engines, more economic and easier to trail.

my needs are:
having a rib that would take 2 people in the Mediterranean+3-4 rods, have the ability to go in 3-4 foot waves (not higher waves,with no need for full speed, just to get to the point and back safely and slowly) without flipping upside down, being able to stand on floor and do jigging fishing, get far from shore about 2-3 miles (if possile also 5-6 miles but would compromise that for other benefits of the boat such as economy and feasibility of the smaller size).

based on that I have few questions that I would like to get your opinion for:

1- will a 10-12 foot Rib would be enough for this purpose? would it be safe enough as fiberglass boat of larger size (such as 15 feet fiber boat) or do I need larger one to withstand the 3-4 feet waves at maximum?

2- what outboard power would be the right choice? the maximum that the rib can take or smaller? is there possibility to add a spare kicker (5 hp) for more safety (not to depend on help of others) on the RIb?

3-heared about Avon 10 feet with 30 hp yamaha, the boat is probably year 2000 (13 old years). would that be recommended to check or a lost case?

4- would it be fine enough buying cheaper new Chinese made rib with orka hypalon or better not getting close to chinese ribs?

here we have available locally zebek, another type with picture attached, second picture attached is of zebec380, I was told it is with special material weighing 950 kg (hard to believe it is that much!!!). would like to get your opinion of that as well please.

thanks in advance
sameh

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Hi Sameh,

Your avatar doesn't show where are you currently located. Are you planning in buying local available brands ? Sibs and Ribs are 2 different boating watercrafts. Ribs performs much better at sea at near all water conditions, are more stable than any other traditional fiberglass boat. Rocks the leat compared to.

1-For 2 fishermen, don't go under 380 Mt rib with a light 2 strokes engine, try to get a Tohatsu 18 HP, excellent and powerfull horse for that size rib. Could add a 5 HP kicker, will depend on transom available space.

2-A 10" with a 30 HP is a real insane exaggeration, usually max 15 HP engines. A 10" is too small, will bore you both soon.

3-Asian ribs costs much less, will depend on their dealer warranty in case something happens to them. Hypalon if sib will be living outside all year long, if kept shaded after use go for PVC, now a days most are being built with German high quality PVC fabrics which costs much less then same gauge hypalon fabrics-

4-Know Zebec, it's one of the most reputed Korean sib/rib builders. The second pic corresponds to a sib, not a rib, right ?

5-For fishing go for a rib without center console which reduces deck available space, which is a must have to be roomy and confy while fishing.

6-Zebec seems not to build anymore a 380, but they do have a 4.0 mt rib which only weights 67 Kg. Check if that model is a single or double hull, single are usually round decks and double are flat decks with bow locker.

http://zebec.co.kr/english/boat/ZCB Model.htm

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Hi Sameh,

Your avatar doen't show where are you currently located. Are you planning in buying local available brands ? Sibs and Ribs are 2 different boating watercrafts. Ribs performs much better at sea at near all water condition.

1-For 2 fishermen, don't go under 380 Mt rib with a light 2 strokes engine, try to get a Tohatsu 18 HP, excellent and powerfull horse for that size rib. Could add a 5 HP kicker, will depend on transom available space.

2-A 10" with a 30 HP is a real insane exaggeration, usually max 15 HP engines. A 10" is too small, will bore you both soon.

3-Asian ribs costs much less, will depend on their dealer warranty in case something happens to them. Hypalon if sib will be living outside all year long, if kept shaded after use go for PVC, now a days most are being built with German high quality PVC fabrics which costs much less then same gauge hypalon fabrics-

4-Know Zebec, it's one of the most reputed Korean sib/rib builders. The second pic corresponds to a sib, not a rib, right ?

5-For fishing go for a rib without center console which reduces deck available space, which is a must have to be roomy and confy while fishing.

6-Zebec seems not to build anymore a 380, but they do have a 4.0 mt rib which only weights 67 Kg. Check if that model is a single or double hull, single are usually round decks and double are flat decks with bow locker.

::::: WOOSUNG I.B. :::::

Happy Boating

many thanks for your help.
first, i live in Israel.
the second picture i understood from the dealer is a RIB, I thought it had tough bottom; anyway i am adding 2 more pictures of it, but i am still confused, could it really be 950kg?????????????????that is more than 18 feet fiber boat can weight! what you say about zebec having 4 meter 65 kgs makes 950 even stranger. the dealer wrote me that the bottom is laminated with epoxy and that there is an extra layer to prevent friction with obstacles.

could that be a bonus for the boat meaning it is strong or aminus meaning a lot of low quality material was added instead of less weighing more quality material?

now you suggested at least 3.8 M RIb, do you think it can perform correctly in 3-4 feet waves?

would 3.8 M rib get me to deep sea 6 miles offshore or is it not on the safe side?

will there be much difference between stability of 3.8 meter and 4.6 meter Rib?

thanks again..

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Sameh,

Both yellow inflatables corresponds to a sib, not a rib, you could see a inflatable keel under sib as in first pic. Missiom Impossible to weight 950 KG, dealer seems to forgot to place a dot on its right place. Should be 95.0 Kg at the most, great difference.

All ribs are laminated, that's why you need to ask dealer if it's a simple or double hull, double hull much better. Ask dealer to send hull picture for evaluation, dealers sometimes likes to fancy about what's being offered with their water toys, marketing issues.

To have it clear, by waves, do you mean the ones that rolls and crashes ? or the ones that never rolls nor crashes ? Bear in mind that a larger rib is wider, higher and with larger diam tubes. In choppy seas the one with less diam tubes will splash more side water that the one with larger diam tubes and higher hull. Not an issue on flat glassy non windy seas.

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Sameh,

Both yellow inflatables corresponds to a sib, not a rib, you could see a inflatable keel under sib as in first pic. Missiom Impossible to weight 950 KG, dealer seems to forgot to place a dot on its right place. Should be 95.0 Kg at the most, great difference.

All ribs are laminated, that's why you need to ask dealer if it's a simple or double hull, double hull much better. Ask dealer to send hull picture for evaluation, dealers sometimes likes to fancy about what's being offered with their water toys, marketing issues.

To have it clear, by waves, do you mean the ones that rolls and crashes ? or the ones that never rolls nor crashes ? Bear in mind that a larger rib is wider, higher and with larger diam tubes. In choppy seas the one with less diam tubes will splash more side water that the one with larger diam tubes and higher hull. Not an issue on flat glassy non windy seas.

Happy Boating

hi and thanks again.
as long as the yellow one in picture is a sib then it is out of picture.
When mentioning waves i mean choppy waves not swells. I won't go out to sea in a 4 feet waves but these can develop later and then I will have to go back with choppy 3-4 feet waves.

Would 3.8 meter boat manage those waves?

is there any place for the water to go out(on the wooded transom)? or is there a bilge pump that should be around?

sameh

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Sameh,

Didn't get it, you are going for a sib or rib ? If going for Zebec, both models are available. If you plan to count with a trailer and have a proper available space to keep it at home go straight for a Rib, that 4 meter is about same as my 430 Sea Rider. A rib can handle well choppy and windy seas, just expect getting wet as these ribs are low overboard compared to larger ones. All sibs and ribs have water drain valves on middle lower transom.

I express myself erroneously when reffering to simple and double hull ribs, simple is one layer which is the hull, double is a 2 layer, one being the hull, the other is a flat deck bonded to the hull usually with a bow locker found on larger 370 and up sizes.

The Zebec dealer is reffering to a double layer rib, which is much better than a single layer one. If the siingle layer is hit by a rock, the rib will flood totally but will not sink, will stay afloat due to the tubes. The double layer will flood just the hull's interior, deck will be kept dry and could make it to shore easily with engine. When encountering waves you should pass them sideways, not straight.

Going 6 or more miles out off shore with a sib/rib is a piece of cake with wipped cream if waters are calm, as you could have serious trouble in just 1 mile off shore if water conditions unexpectedly turns real nasty. Know your water conditions defore venturing out, and always carry minimum safety equipment.

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Sameh,

Didn't get it, you are going for a sib or rib ? If going for Zebec, both models are available. If you plan to count with a trailer and have a proper available space to keep it at home go straight for a Rib, that 4 meter is about same as my 430 Sea Rider. A rib can handle well choppy and windy seas, just expect getting wet as these ribs are low overboard compared to larger ones. All sibs and ribs have water drain valves on middle lower transom.

I express myself erroneously when reffering to simple and double hull ribs, simple is one layer which is the hull, double is a 2 layer, one being the hull, the other is a flat deck bonded to the hull usually with a bow locker found on larger 370 and up sizes.

The Zebec dealer is reffering to a double layer rib, which is much better than a single layer one. If the siingle layer is hit by a rock, the rib will flood totally but will not sink, will stay afloat due to the tubes. The double layer will flood just the hull's interior, deck will be kept dry and could make it to shore easily with engine. When encountering waves you should pass them sideways, not straight.

Going 6 or more miles out off shore with a sib/rib is a piece of cake with wipped cream if waters are calm, as you could have serious trouble in just 1 mile off shore if water conditions unexpectedly turns real nasty. Know your water conditions defore venturing out, and always carry minimum safety equipment.

Happy Boating

hi
sorry for not being understood...I meant that i want to go for rib's and not sibs.

BUT, getting a new job now and will sell my 4X4 car and get a regular car. that means I may have to check the possibility of SIB's that can get totally wrapped rather than RIB on trailer.
Regarding the yellow boat, which turned out to be a SIB, I contacted the dealer here and got the correct information+link for the specified boat. the 950 was the maximum load and not the weight. he claims it is no less good for fishing in sea than a rib.

here are the links he gave me:
Armada

Underwater Beach Protection Package

I was told there are 2 models, one thinker (950 max load, 55 diameter) and one lighter (750 kg max load, 45 diameter), I believe in the link it is 380A-PFB and 380A, respectively. the dealer talked about wooden floor. claims it is better and stronger and doesnot get bent and it has trails for aluminum fitting (dont know exactly what this means).
price requested is 3000$ for the 380A-FB without extra things such as bimni and stuff. console is not needed as understood from you would take space.

based on the data from the link,Do you think such SIB would be good enough as equivalent 380 RIB?

I am taking my time of course and requested to have a trial in water to get the "feeling" of it but your feedback here is great, as I am not expert in RIBS or SIBS.

thanks
sameh

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Sameh,

A 380 sib is a excellent alternative, the down issue is assembling/inflating, disassembling/deflating each time you'll be using it, time demanding and will probably bore you fast. Will need a 12 volt electric pump for fast inflation, hand or foot pump will take endles time to accomplish and much worst being a newbie.

Both sibs and ribs are good as fishing platforms, a sib to perform as expected must be inflated to it's near max factory recommended working pressure, a rib needs less tube pressure as the hull does all the hard work. Overall a rib of same sib size is much better. It's a excellent fishing and leisure investtment, go for one if possible. How much is a 380 or 400 mt rib cost In Israel ?

You can add all the add-on you want, even a 50 caliber machine gun at bow, bear in mind that the extra babric protection is only 0.9 mm, if boating with care no need to have it glued under tubes.

Wooden panel floors with side alum fittings is a much cheaper version to the full alum floorboards. The only way you could bend a standard wooden panel floorboards would be if being yourself a Sumo fighter. Don't buy the plastic floor model, have sun issues at long UV exposures, will crack over time.

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Sameh,

A 380 sib is a excellent alternative, the down issue is assembling/inflating, disassembling/deflating each time you'll be using it, time demanding and will probably bore you fast. Will need a 12 volt electric pump for fast inflation, hand or foot pump will take endles time to accomplish and much worst being a newbie.

Both sibs and ribs are good as fishing platforms, a sib to perform as expected must be inflated to it's near max factory recommended working pressure, a rib needs less tube pressure as the hull does all the hard work. Overall a rib of same sib size is much better. It's a excellent fishing and leisure investtment, go for one if possible. How much is a 380 or 400 mt rib cost In Israel ?

You can add all the add-on you want, even a 50 caliber machine gun at bow, bear in mind that the extra babric protection is only 0.9 mm, if boating with care no need to have it glued under tubes.

Wooden panel floors with side alum fittings is a much cheaper version to the full alum floorboards. The only way you could bend a standard wooden panel floorboards would be if being yourself a Sumo fighter.

Happy Boating

many thanks for your help
in the link added you there are 2 options, wooden aluminum. i see there it is cheaper for wood but that was recommendation of the dealer, where he claims that full aluminum would bend under pressure!

here the 380 costs exactly 3000$. usually, here we pay alot of taxes and usually it is more than from country of origin (sometimes 150-200% more). in this case i don't know...in the link i see the same prices, so it is a good deal buying from here.

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Sameh,

Have use both wooden and full alum panel floorboards sibs for years, have not experienced floor bending issues as stated by your Zebec dealer. Bear in mind that wooden panel floorboards scratches very easily, alum doesn't. If possible test both floors to have a better evaluation. Both floors produces some articulation noisse while sib's on plane, but that's quite normal. That's why need to have all sibs well inflated to lessen floor noise.

That sib costs 50% in Korea, add shipping costs, local taxes, dealer's profit and that price will surely double. Anyway, you will sureley find that once on water boating leisure is priceless....

To have an idea what's the cost of the extra protection package ? BTW, floorboards doesn't bend, they flex and back again to their original shape.

Happy Boating

 

[sameh]

Re: help needed-new to RIB'S

Sameh,

Have use both wooden and full alum panel floorboards sibs for years, have not experienced floor bending issues as stated by your Zebec dealer. Bear in mind that wooden panel floorboards scratches very easily, alum doesn't. If possible test both floors to have a better evaluation. Both floors produces some articulation noisse while sib's on plane, but that's quite normal. That's why need to have all sibs well inflated to lessen floor noise.

That sib costs 50% in Korea, add shipping costs, local taxes, dealer's profit and that price will surely double. Anyway, you will sureley find that once on water boating leisure is priceless....

To have an idea what's the cost of the extra protection package ? BTW, floorboards doesn't bend, they flex and back again to their original shape.

Happy Boating

thanks for the answer
the cost mentioned (3000$) is for the extra protection package (if i understand right, it is the one with 950 kg max load, where the regular one is with 750 kg max load).

today, i checked on a different RIB, please see new post about it!

best regards
sameh