how far off bunks

smokeonthewater

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Sadly we have no idea what decision the O/P needs to make because even though I asked him he has yet to tell us anything useful so we can actually help him.
 

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Sadly we have no idea what decision the O/P needs to make because even though I asked him he has yet to tell us anything useful so we can actually help him.

Have to agree as I posted yesterday. I think the OP have left this thread and I am going to do the same.
 

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The OP has moved on and is talking batteries...... So, it appears he got his answer.....
 

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I read a lot of people talking about bunks vs rollers and I/O vs OB, but... Nobody ever mentioned HULLS! I would think that not only hull material(alum. vs Fiberglass vs wood) would have to come into play but hull shape as well. Now I do not claim to have the answers but I think these are aspects that need to be considered. Take my boat for example. The last 5" of the hull angle down.

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Greetings from outboard country.

Boat lifts at docks seldom if ever go all the way to the transom. Aren't they just a bunk trailer levitating over the water? And people leave their boats on them year round.

Roller trailer rollers never go to the transom and are usually about a foot back from the transom--including the last keel roller. Do you really think that if that was a problem, that the oldest and best dealers and manufacturers selling top of the line boats would do it that way? Seriously?

One guy says "depends on how long you want to keep your boat." The 1988 Key West with a 70 OB my dad bought new is still sitting on the roller trailer with the rollers over a foot back from the transom, doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.

And then there are the "sea drives" where one or two OB's over 150 hp each are hanging out there a foot or two behind the transom, unsupported by bunks, rollers or transom "savers" yet we don't see them littering the highway from falling off....
 
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yeah but who's gonna listen to you... you think crappie is only good for bait... sheesh
 

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yeah but who's gonna listen to you... you think crappie is only good for bait... sheesh

naw, I was just funnin' you. that dude had a 60" fish box so he needed to put some 55" fish in it!

besides you and I both like roller trailers!
 

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true dat! ... I am INSANELY jealous of anyone who can fish saltwater..... One day I may even relocate to the salt air
 

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the bunks should extend a few inches past the back of trailer and the transom should be just short of it an inch or so in order to be fully supported.

the more important question is is your trailer properly balanced?

have the boat sit back off the trailer about a foot and slowly winch it forward until you find the balance point where the tongue stays down and you can lift it with very little effort. then bring it forward with the tongue on a scale until the transom is completely supported by the bunk boards and you have 50-100 lbs of weight on the tongue and stop there. this properly puts the weight of the boat balanced over the axles as it should be and not trying to lift the tongue or put too much weight onto the bumper. after you find your balance point you adjust the winch post and if needed measure to make changes to the length of the bunk boards. the exception to this is if you have an adjustable axle, in which case you set the boat to fit the bunk boards then adjust the axle to balance your load.

keep in mind most boats are just thrown onto trailers and no thought is ever given to properly balancing the load over the axle. this most be done first then and only then should the winch post rollers and bunk boards can be set up to fit the boat.
 
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good suggestion for balancing there. I guess you need to pull the boat up with it a foot back (scary!) since you need to do this on level ground, or pull the boat back a foot once you are level.

BTW i was at the marina today, and with this thread in miond, noticed all the big boats on lifts with big outboards, many twins, hanging more that a foot or two off the bunks on the lifts. Didn't hear many "Crack! Ker-splash" of transoms falling off so I moved on.
 

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............... and you have 50-100 lbs of weight on the tongue and stop there.........

sorry but no.... that only works for a boat and trailer combination that weighs about 500-1000 lbs

there IS no set weight but rather a percentage... for me it's 10-15% and for some it's more like 7%
 

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good suggestion for balancing there. I guess you need to pull the boat up with it a foot back (scary!) since you need to do this on level ground, or pull the boat back a foot once you are level.

BTW i was at the marina today, and with this thread in miond, noticed all the big boats on lifts with big outboards, many twins, hanging more that a foot or two off the bunks on the lifts. Didn't hear many "Crack! Ker-splash" of transoms falling off so I moved on.

not that scary, you do it when picking up the boat so you just don't winch it all the way in and you keep it connected to the ball and you lift up on the tongue with it still attached and you can tell the weight that's on it and stop when you think its getting close, then release the hitch at home and feel the weight as you dial it in. if you think you went too far and have too much weight on the tongue then loosen the bow rope, back up and stop quickly to shift the boat back an inch or so. for large heavy boats its best to do this at the launch with a lift so they can help adjust and balance the boat for you. you never want more weight on the tongue then you can lift by hand or its unsafe and dangerous.

the trailer axle and suspension is designed to carry the weight of the boat not your truck so if its tongue heavy the suspension cant work correctly and when you hit large bumps it lunges forward instead of upward because the suspension is not at the correct angle. this also causes the back of the truck down and lifts on your front wheels causing potential loss of traction and control.

you just want enough weight on the tongue so it stays securely in place when you hit bumps, you don't want the truck squatting or the trailer tongue leaning downward. the trailer should be flat and level.

as to the launch seeing boats like that, maybe they are set like that so its easy to hook up the lift straps because the strongest part of the hull is at the transom so trailering them on the road like that is asking for trouble but I doubt any boat will just crack open but over time it will warp the hull if its not supported properly.

naturally you adjust the weight on the tongue for the size and weight of the boat you have so jon boats I would put about 50-75 lbs, for bay boats up to about 19ft I would go about 100-150 lbs, and for larger bay boats up to 25 ft with tandem axles I would go 150-200 lbs. anything larger then that or for heavier boats its best to get the recommendations from the trailer manufacturer so it carries the weight correctly for the way the suspension is set up.

EDIT: after the comments below I did more research and found bay boats are a little heavier then I first accounted for so I adjusted my numbers upwards slightly to reflect that more accurate weight. the weight of a lightweight trailer (under 2,000 lb) doesn't matter when calculating trailer tongue weight but if its a heavy duty I-beam trailer then add 25% of the trailer weight to your boat and motor weight and figure 10% of that (a number smokeonthewater agreed with until I said it and it was then somehow wrong lol) is going to be very close to the numbers I quoted. in most cases your rig wont fall apart if the trailer isn't balanced properly but tire wear, handling, and gas mileage will suffer.
 
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One thing I didn't see mentioned in all this (or maybe I just missed it?) is all the "stepped" transoms these days. Our Chap has a stepped transom. And FWIW it sits on a Trail-Rite trailer, and whoever set it up knows transom supporting-- note where the rear bunk supports are placed--the outer supports are under the stepped-out portion of the transom, the inner supports are moved forward to support the stepped-in prtion... pert 'near perfect... :)

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As for bunks being better at supporting a boat than rollers-- wrong (*usually). Take a 6 foot or so long 2 x 6, put the ends on a couple of buckets, then walk across it-- how well is that 2x6 supporting your weight? Not too well I'll bet ;) -- same for your boat. The bunk board directly above the SUPPORTS support the boat. The rest of the wood between the supports simply acts to GUIDE the boat between the supports. On roller trailers, each roller DOES support the hull, and they're spaced much closer together (*usually) than bunk supports...

That said, better support or not, I'll never put a boat on a roller trailer because of the possibility of this type of 'incident'... :eek:

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-----------As for bunks being better at supporting a boat than rollers-- wrong (*usually). Take a 6 foot or so long 2 x 6, put the ends on a couple of buckets, then walk across it-- how well is that 2x6 supporting your weight? Not too well I'll bet ;) -- same for your boat.
Bunks are not sitting on top of buckets. They are bolted onto supports. At least on my trailer, the longest span is 4' with some being 2'. Because the bunk is bolted to the support, the bunk hardly flexes at all when I stand on them. You do want some flex as the bunk needs to contour to the hull. It is not just supporting the boat at the metal supports.

I prefer bunk trailers because the boat sits lower on the trailer. Had a roller trailer under a 27' Bayliner Victoria. That was a scary rig when it got swaying a little bit because of how high it sat on the ez-loader roller trailer.
 
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Frantic that is a very good example of a well designed, well fit trailer. Noted the use of 4 bunks and not just 2.

Sorry but for your second picture I would have to argue user error and no fault of the trailer.
 

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100 lbs of tongue weight for a 25' (EDIT) bay boat is ridiculous... my 28'er has just over 1000 lbs... besides being very bad advice it isn't even close to the question asked here????

actually 95% of the support of MOST bunk trailers IS at the steel supports.... ant that is just fine as long as they are in the right place... most boats are FINE sitting on 4 boat stands and a couple sets of keel blocks.... they don't need to be supported every inch of the hull but key to the original question in this train wreck of a thread... despite some people not doing it and their boat not shattering it is always a very good idea to support the transom of a boat .... if the boat has really strong rigid stringers and they are tabbed really well to the transom AND the bunks are directly under the stringers then you can likely get away with less support BUT since the question was general in nature then the general answer is support the transom
 
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100 lbs of tongue weight for a 25' cruiser is ridiculous...

I agree and that's why I never said that.

there is a HUGE difference between a 25ft bay boat and a cruiser, thousands of pounds more difference

for large boats in that weight class you have to follow the trailer manufacturers recommendations as I pointed out.

stop trying to argue just for the sake of it
 

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100 lbs for a 25' BAY boat is ALSO ridiculous and dangerous.... I am NOT trying to argue... you are making generalizations that are NOT correct and could lead others to make unsafe choices... FOR ALL BOATS you need to follow guidelines and you need to know the weight of the whole rig including boat, motor, trailer, and anything on board and then figure percentage AND this is STILL not on topic for this thread.
 

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O.P. - about how far should the transom hang off the rear of a bunk trailer?

I think things have gone a bit off topic folks. :rolleyes:
 
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