How long at WOT?

90stingray

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I was wondering the other day how long other people leave their boat at wide open, full throttle, trimmed out? We dont boat on very large lakes where there are miles and miles to run... we really only run WOT for a couple minutes then the rest is at a good cruise speed. Anywho, let me know... thanks :D
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

as long as you have the right prop and don't over-rev, you can run an outboard WOT all the time.
But justlike with cars, there's better fuel economy at lower speeds.

Those of us who boat in open water where it can be choppy seldom run WOT for long stretches.

The fuel cost is a factor. It may be worth it to get to the fishing grounds 30 miles away, but not worth it if you are just going for a boat ride.
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

I can get about the same before I run out of water. U-turned once just because. My resevoir has Olympic crew bouys planted on it. They're fun to play games with.
 
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I run my old two-strokes at WOT and they are well lubed with oil. My newer 4-stroke doesn't get WOT for more than a few minutes tops; usually about 1/3-1/2 throttle. I'm on a 35 mile long lake and there's too many pretty parts of the woods and lake that I miss if I'm going too fast.
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

although WOT by itself isn't a problem, do your engine and your wallet a favor. Even dropping back to 85-90% throttle will substantially reduce fuel usage, and your speed will barely change.
 

Tahorover

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Re: How long at WOT?

The longest I have gone WOT was 50 minutes. It was fun!
 

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I guess that's the advantage of living in Cali you will run out of fuel way before you run out of water. :D
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

The longest I have gone WOT was 50 minutes. It was fun!

50 minutes? Awesome.

although WOT by itself isn't a problem, do your engine and your wallet a favor.

Do you feel this is abuse to the engine? This is why i was asking... some feel like its hurting the engine and others leave it wot for 50 minutes :) Do the maunfacturers have a spec for wot?

Yeah, i know about fuel usage at a better throttle position... but i own a supercharged truck and a boat. Fuel mileage is really a non-issue because it's almost non-existant. :)
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

When fishing the canyons it's ~2 hours each way. Cruise at 4200 rpm (1.9 mpg) if conditions allow.
 

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I am pretty sure most engine makers recommend pulling back to about 4/5 throttle, but this info is just general recollection and anecdotal at best.

Running at full throttle merely offers potential for more issues. It depends on the engine, the design and the margin of error at WOT.

In some engines, WOT running at redline* can introduce new wear and tear. At WOT and redlined, there might be moments of valve float, small hot spots developing, minor coking and less-than-best intake and exhaust scavenging. If running at redline for long periods, just coming down a wave can momentarily break redline, even in rev-limiter engines.

If someone said they wanted to run WOT in a 2-stroker @ 5800 RPMs when the redline was 6000, I would probably yawn and tell them, "That's nice." Now, if you want to run some 4-stroke modern O/B at absolute redline for a long time, I think I'd be a little more hesitant. This is based more of an amalgamation of stuff stuck into the various parts of my head. High-performance engine builders dyno engines and pay very, very close attention to what happens at redline. Based on their instinct and experience, when they push over to redline, everyone listens a little harder and watches things more closely. And these are engines with over-the-top-quality parts built for stress. Don't care if it is Ferrari or Chevy; the builders all feel the same tension and react the same way.

It's hard to make a blanket statement about running at WOT redline. But, lacking finger-tip accessible information based on controlled studies, I am willing to lean on anecdotal evidence and common sense.

Because my input is anecdotal, I won't posit any argument against someone who has years of experience running their specific engine at WOT.

*Clarification: Redline is the absolute upper RPM limit spec'd by the engine builder. If a marine engine has WOT max RPM range of 4800-5200 RPM, then 5200 is the 'redline', wherein the term 'redline' is borrowed from car tachometers that display, literally, red lines marking excessive RPM so one's eye can catch it when shifting in a hustle w/time only to glance. It's also the speed at which a rev limiter would kick in, if so equipped. You can blow past the limit on any engine not equipped w/ a rev limiter. A marine engine propped properly can still exceed the absolute max RPM if the load is light and conditions are right. Smart marine engine manufacturers will set a rev limiter about 50-100 RPMs below the theoretical limit. How important is this theoretical wall? On some engines, valve float can cause serious shortening of the engine's life. Not all engine are protected by electronics.
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

I usually just do it for short bursts. Never really in that much of a hurry when on the boat. The last time it was hammer down for more than a short burst was to outrun a small storm. Had to get to a sheltered bay to ride it out.
 

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On Lake Erie it's WOT as long as you have gas, but that's not long (20-30 min.) with a big block GM. :facepalm:
You can literally watch the fuel gauge move.
You live by the 1/3 out 1/3 back and 1/3 for the WOT thunder storms. :D
huts
 

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WOT @ 5000 - 6000 on a two stroke is not an issue. 6000 and up on a four stroke for extended periods is probably more likely to result in increased wear since there is much more going on in a four stroke motor. Only time will tell how those engines hold up. There are a gazilion 5, 7.5, 9.9 and 15 HP two strokes from the 40's and 50's that have never been touched and out of necessity, MUST run wide open to get anywhere. My walleye boat runs 5.5 miles down river just to get to the main impoundment, and then depending whether I turn right or left there is another 6 or 8 miles before I need to back off. 75 HP Merc two stroke triple still hums very nicely at 5250 rpm WOT.
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

My 50 minute romp was cut short because I had chewed almost all my fuel and foamy oil was causing the pressure to drop.

I fixed the oil issue with some upgrades to the oil system. A larger oil cooler, better windage tray, increased capacity and the use racing oil. The old engine would start to float the valves at 5300 and the new and improved engine pulls all the way to the rev limiter 6000.

The dual quads are just too much fun!
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

I ran my 80hp merc outboard WOT many times and sometimes for 1/2hr at a time. The thing was over 30 years old and I doubt I was the first to treat it that way. WOT used up a lot of fuel in a short time.
With my new 4.3 I will run WOT for short bursts but now that I have many more parts moving I am going to be pulling back the throttle as I don't want to pile up a new motor.
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

it seems that people with the smaller motors (<35) run WOT a lot more than the bigger ones (150) and not just for fuel reasons. Partly, I guess, that 25-30 mph is WOT for a small one and half for a big one.

I've heard about motors "leaning out" at the higher speeds, like ifyou have a dead throttle at the top (no change in speed between the throttle handle at 4/5 and all the way) and that's not good, but I never understood exactly what that means or does. Any experts know?
 

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Home Cookin': If your engine acts like that (4/5 vs full = same power), you could be allowing more air into the engine like that, but the fuel flow can't keep up. That's runnin' lean.

It would really be most serious on a carbed 2-stroke engine.
 

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Home Cookin': If your engine acts like that (4/5 vs full = same power), you could be allowing more air into the engine like that, but the fuel flow can't keep up. That's runnin' lean.

It would really be most serious on a carbed 2-stroke engine.

thanks--I guess--I have a carbed 2 stroke!

when i hit that dead area I back down to the live area. I don't run WOT except a short distance coming home at the end of the day to burn off carbon.

Any easy fix to the dead zone? Does it indicate an air leak in the fuel line somewhere?
 

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Re: How long at WOT?

I build 2-stroke engines, and nothing they do is perfect.

It's a limitation of their carbs and intake ports. There is no valvetrain hindering RPM and they fire on every stroke, and even inefficient burns don't stop them. Now fuel flow? That'll stop them.

Even the oil you use and the exact am't can dictate MAX rpm. Most 2-strokers will last because they get more oil than they need theoretically, but the oil robs power. I would bet that there is a theoretical, perfect am't of oil that is slightly less than the am't oil in your fuel. At that perfect oiling point, she'd run better at WOT, but there'd be moments where she risked running lean because of the the air and fuel temps, the engine temp and even the humidity.

So, 2-strokers are tuned to run just a little rich, which also means rich with oil. Less oil = more power and RPM!

Or... the last 1/5 of your throttle is just you stretching the cable! ;)
 

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My Force 125 on a 14 foot flat bottom runs WOT at 5900 RPM and 60 MPH for 1 1/2 hours--except for the 30 seconds each 3 miles when I absolutely must slow to turn. Then, I have used my 15 gallons of fuel, trailer the boat, and head home--I had my fun.

I don't know how many hours the engine has on it and can't comment about its possible longevity, but that's not an issue on this boat. If the engine craps out, I am on a river and never too far from the ramp, AND I will simply slap on another one at home.

Home cooking: Typically, on carbs the venturi area is modest (smaller) in relation to the inlet and outlet of the carb. After about 3/4 throttle, no more air can pass through the venturi so if the carb butterfly is opened more than the venturi area, no more air will flow and you feel it as a dead spot. This is much more noticeable on multi-carbed smaller displacement outboard 2 strokes than large displacement multi cylinder 4 cycle engines. This is a quite simplified explanation and not exactly true. I used it simply so you could grasp the concept, so don't take it too literally.

Again, typically on the smaller two cycle engines, after cruise position on the throttle, the engine makes a LOT more noise, uses a LOT more fuel, and only gains a couple of MPH.
 
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