How NOT to break in an engine ( Cash for Clunkers engine destruction ) :(

bruceb58

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Re: How NOT to break in an engine ( Cash for Clunkers engine destruction ) :(

It is my understanding that the auto dismantlers pay for the cars.
 

Jerico

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My '01 Bravada was a pretty truck, but a mechanical lemon from day 1. I let my 19-year-old daughter trade it in for a new much safer car for herself. The only down side was they blew up the engine that I rebuilt the top end on last January. Oh well, it was going to cost me about 3k to fix everything else wrong with it.

From my understanding the dealership was paid $200 for it. They kept $50, I got the other $150. It went to a junk yard where they stripped it, then on to the crusher.

I'm not a fan of government involvement in much, but as long as I had to pay for it with my taxes, I took advantage of it. I got rid of a lemon for more than I could have any other way, plus put my daughter in a much safer car.

The only regret I have is I didn't get to see it get crushed.
 

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Just found out today from my brother, who runs an auto auction in California, what happens with the cars.

When the dealers bring the cars to his lot from the dealer, the engine has already been drained of oil. The while it is on his lot, they disable the engine with the silica treatment.

The cars are then sent to auto dismantlers where they have 60 days to remove the parts that they want. At that point, the chassis and the engine are shredded.

I think they should have done this a little differently....I would have separated the clunkers into 2 groups...real clunkers..the gross polluters/rust buckets and the other group being re-sellable vehicles....

I would have disabled the engines in the gross polluters as no one would buy a junk engine anyhow and let the dismantlers salvage any parts then scrap/recycle the rest...even pay the dismantler to separate the metals for proper recycling....

the other group could be used for trading of gross polluters...there are those that simply could NOT afford a payment and have worse vehicles on the road then those that were turned in...maybe a little fee imposed to make things right....

those that werent utilized would be dismantled by salvagers and used for parts for those in need...this would help to secure jobs for dismantlers and utilize some proper recycling...

even the purpose of the program was to promote the buying of new cars so why not fully use the resources turned in...

there were some real nice cars turned in with under 100,000 miles on the odometer....these car should never had been destroyed...

oh well man you cant win them all....when I watched the videos on some all I could think of was man...look at all those parts I could use to fix my own stuff...:)
 

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just think off all teh contamination to the ground when those motors blew..they leak that fluid on the ground and also all the pollutants from running those engine sitting there doing nothing...smart idea it is...


The motors don't "blow." They seize up. The oil has already been drained. All fluids are drained. You may not like the program, but give the people who designed it a bit of credit for at least thinking these things through.
 

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The motors don't "blow." They seize up. The oil has already been drained. All fluids are drained. You may not like the program, but give the people who designed it a bit of credit for at least thinking these things through.

Really? It simply seems like a monumental waste of taxpayers money for car buying stimulus. There are so many ways those resources could have been spent more efficiently.
 

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I find it funny that the gov'ts idea of "helping the poor" is having them trade in a perfectly running paid for car for one that they can't afford rather than helping them fix up the one they already have.

You can't trust the gov't to run a post office. After all, "Fed Ex and UPS are doing fine, its the post office that's doing poorly."

Not to mention, I don't appreciate knowing that my tax dollars helped to buy someone a car. That's NOT what tax dollars are supposed to be used for. But what the hell, they aren't supposed to be used to bail out banks, insurance companies, any company, or anything of the sort. No wonder we're in debt up to our eyeballs.
 

elkhunter338

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Just remember us tax payers bought those cars and the government junk alot of good cars with our tax money. Our government has gone wild with spending money and this lets go green idea. What about all the materials it took to make those new cars.
The cash for clunkers ticked me off because my tax money is being wasted.
People voted for change and look what it has gotten us, debt pilling up faster than you can imagine and the dollar is dwindleing. The U.S.A needs to get back to christian values, drill oil, and pay off our debt.
We have more oil than the middle east ever thougth of having but we cannot drill. Bush tried to get the drilling started but never did.
 

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I find it funny that the gov'ts idea of "helping the poor" is having them trade in a perfectly running paid for car for one that they can't afford rather than helping them fix up the one they already have.

You can't trust the gov't to run a post office. After all, "Fed Ex and UPS are doing fine, its the post office that's doing poorly."

Not to mention, I don't appreciate knowing that my tax dollars helped to buy someone a car. That's NOT what tax dollars are supposed to be used for. But what the hell, they aren't supposed to be used to bail out banks, insurance companies, any company, or anything of the sort. No wonder we're in debt up to our eyeballs.

First off, the purpose of this program was not to "help the poor." It was to help the economy. It did that just fine. The intent was never to put poor people into brand new cars.

Is the post office doing poorly? I ship out thousands of dollars worth of fragile equipment each month. I wouldn't go near UPS, who treat my packages like crap and refuse to pay off on insurance claims. Fed Ex is OK in my book, but I'm sold on USPS. They do a good job at a good price, and have done so for as long as I can remember.

What are taxes for? To ensure the continued functioning of governmental services that we need in order to continue as a nation. We can quibble about what is "needed," but programs like "Cash for Clunkers" and the bank bailouts were intended to minimize the damage caused by the tanking of the economy. You may disagree with the strategy, but others like what it has done and shudder to think what would have happened if we had taken no action at all. Sure it's unfair. However, it's more unfair for us to have a full-on depression.

As always, you can disagree with the policies, but portraying them as nonsensical? That doesn't cut it.

As to arguments like "The U.S.A needs to get back to Christian values, drill oil, and pay off our debt," it seems to me that someone campaigned using that platform and lost. It's been nearly a year. Why not toss out those sour grapes.
 

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As to arguments like "The U.S.A needs to get back to Christian values, drill oil, and pay off our debt," it seems to me that someone campaigned using that platform and lost. It's been nearly a year. Why not toss out those sour grapes.

Instead, why doesn't somebody give a guy who has only been in office for 9/10 months the Nobel Peace Prize. Oh that's right, they did. And lets nominate him for that honor after being in office for only 11 days. Again, they did. Give me a break................
 

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Instead, why doesn't somebody give a guy who has only been in office for 9/10 months the Nobel Peace Prize. Oh that's right, they did. And lets nominate him for that honor after being in office for only 11 days. Again, they did. Give me a break................

I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China. He didn't nominate himself. He can't very well turn the award down. Gripe gripe gripe, but what are you griping about here? The fact that someone you didn't vote for got into office.

There were a couple of years here on iBoats that I refrained from complaining about the things that were being done by the guy I didn't vote for because of the ban on political discussions. But hey, I guess only liberals are banned from expressing political opinions, eh?
 

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One more shot over the bow as I'm leaving for the sunny shores of Alabama.. :) We were talking about cash for clunkers which is a government program and how "great" that program was. Then somehow "someone" started talking about how "great" the USPS system is, which is run by the government. The award our Prez just received, and yes he could turn it down, is just one more thing to add to the pile of issues that make a person shake their head in disbelief. It wouldn't matter who was Prez, or what party they're affiliated with, it still would be a joke. Personally, I don't have too much faith in either of the 2 major parties at this time. "As of today", we're all still able to speak our minds in this great country of ours. I'm just exercizing my right while I still can. Have a good day...
 

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...of course nobody seems to add in the pollution a new car has already produced just being manufactured...

Great point.
 

cheburashka

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We were talking about cash for clunkers which is a government program and how "great" that program was.

No, we weren't. No one made any political statements about how "great" the program was. It was quite the opposite.


Then somehow "someone" started talking about how "great" the USPS system is, which is run by the government.

Again, if you'll look at the chronology, it started with an attack on the government, and I simply evened things out a bit.

Personally, I don't have too much faith in either of the 2 major parties at this time. "As of today", we're all still able to speak our minds in this great country of ours. I'm just exercizing my right while I still can. Have a good day...

I also have little faith in either of the parties. I also agree that we should be able to speak our minds WHERE APPROPRIATE. Dockside chat is such a place, until we start getting political. Is that really so hard to understand?
 

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Because the program was so imoral and egregious I will just say I remember when in college thinking how absolutly cool the Aurora was when they first came out and that someday I hoped to be able to afford one. Retail on those must have been in the upper $30,000 range back in 95.
 

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The motors don't "blow." They seize up. The oil has already been drained. All fluids are drained. You may not like the program, but give the people who designed it a bit of credit for at least thinking these things through.

there were quite a few rods thrown out of oil pans my sources who performed these seizures tell me...

Funny thing is...

you should see all the repo going on right now...there are a lot of these cars being repo's right now due to the fact these people just cant make the payments...I should get into the repo business and ride that one for a bit...

Heck the Hummer Plant by my house has car haulers hauling them out 4 and 5 at a time...that would suck...
 

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The U.S. Postal Service is losing money so quickly you'd think it somehow got mixed up in the subprime mortgage business. It's on track this year for an operating loss of between $6 billion and $12 billion, debt surpassing $10 billion, and a $1 billion cash shortfall.


I am a rural carrier at the post office, to everyone who can't understand what is happening with the postal service, think about it every time you click "Pay online" or "Stop paper billing". Mail volume is down 17% in the last 2 years
 

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I am a rural carrier at the post office, to everyone who can't understand what is happening with the postal service, think about it every time you click "Pay online" or "Stop paper billing". Mail volume is down 17% in the last 2 years

I'm inclined to think the mail volume for USPS is down because I am treated the same way in the post office as I am at the post-9/11 airport. UPS and FedEx view me as a customer, USPS thinks I should be grateful they bothered to show up to work at all.

Not to mention a business which will deliver you packaging supplies for free, yet charge you $3+ if you go to their office to pick that same packaging up. I end up ordering a ridiculous amount of free supplies whether I need them or not, just so I don't have to pay for them at the post office itself. You know, exactly what they encouraged me to do. :rolleyes:
 

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UPS and FedEx view me as a customer, USPS thinks I should be grateful they bothered to show up to work at all.

Everyday UPS and FedEx drops off packages at the post office I work at for us to deliver for them. The office i work in is relitively small (a total of 15 routes) UPS drops off approximently 40 parcles and FedEx around 120


Not to mention a business which will deliver you packaging supplies for free, yet charge you $3+ if you go to their office to pick that same packaging up. I end up ordering a ridiculous amount of free supplies whether I need them or not

Hmm and we wonder why were losing money
 

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I have had horrible service from the United States post office this year. Very slow delivering my water bill, lost a package that they left a note in my mail box stating they had, several times a year they deliver the wrong mail to me, makes me wonder where some of my mail is going and all this with rising prices. The goverment does not do things very well.
My tax dollars going to buy older cars is one of those things that the goverment needs to keep it hand off of. WE cannot support everyone. we all need to work hard and be able to keep our earnings. Government is way to big, they are spending money our grandkids grandkids will still be paying off. WE as a nation cannot afford what is going on today we are bankrupt and china will stop buying our debt and the dollar will be no more in our life times. And Global warming /green house gases are a joke, read some real sceintific data. We are in a global cooling trend this past few years and look at weather change prior to the 1800's, what do you think they called the climate change after the little ice age, global warming. there has been global climate change for a very long time. I agree with being good stewards of our globe, but our goverment needs to live within it's budget because our great nation cannot sustain it's self with the path we are on. Both parties are at fault.
As much as I hate to see what is going on in this world I have to keep all this in perspective that God sets up kings and he brings down kings to complete his overall plan
 
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