How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches

crunch

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Now this just rubs me raw, but that is to be expected when a liberal news paper "spins" the facts to bolster their position.

Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before the Iraqi parliament within days.

The US government has been involved in drawing up the law, a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday. It would give big oil companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil interests in the country since the industry was nationalised in 1972.

The huge potential prizes for Western firms will give ammunition to critics who say the Iraq war was fought for oil. They point to statements such as one from Vice-President **** Cheney, who said in 1999, while he was still chief executive of the oil services company Halliburton, that the world would need an additional 50 million barrels of oil a day by 2010. "So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies," he said.

Oil industry executives and analysts say the law, which would permit Western companies to pocket up to three-quarters of profits in the early years, is the only way to get Iraq's oil industry back on its feet after years of sanctions, war and loss of expertise. But it will operate through "production-sharing agreements" (or PSAs) which are highly unusual in the Middle East, where the oil industry in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the world's two largest producers, is state controlled.


Think about it... how else will the industry become modernized? How else will the Iraqi people ever see any benefits from their oil unless someone infuses Hugh amounts of money into the infrastructure?

Should "big oil" just do it out of the goodness of their hearts?

Do you still believe in the "tooth fairy"?

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132569.ece
 

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They don't want to know the truth of it CbC. The truth does not fit with their agenda. They would be happier if Hugo Chavez came in to help them. He's a good dictator and only has the interest of the pooooooooor people at heart.
 

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Iraq will soon be a very wealthy nation. More people profit from private enterprise than from state run businesses.
 

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Amen, but you also have to factor in the "evil Big oil"

It's the perception, not the facts within the "real world" that hold sway here.
 

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I once said " Take your Idealistic BS, apply it to the real world... get shot and improve the Gene pool.

It's basically the same here... the Idealists among us would have the Oil Companies do this out of the goodness of their hearts, the realists know that to continue to do biz, one has to make a profit, and the higher the investment, the greater the risk... and so should the profit be.

Can you imagine the risk in investing in Iraq?... the way things are today?

Got to love "Free Enterprise"
 

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Spin? What spin? If the big oil companies do as stated, where is the spin? Events are simply happening as predicted by many long ago. The same predictions so many of you denied in the past. Now you are telling us they may be taking place and somehow you don't want those people credited for their predictions. You don't have enough spin in your keyboard to keep W from looking like a greed driven war monger if this does indeed happen.

Who said they should do it out of the goodness of their hearts? Somehow, you are missing the real question here.

The real question; would big oil ever have this opportunity without W invading, destroying and occupying Iraq? I think we both know the answer to those. Had W focused on the terrorist responsible for 9/11, say OBL, would Iraq have been destroyed? Would Hussein be removed? Would we be occupying Iraq?

Boy, things are beginning to fit together much like the predicted jigsaw puzzle. Removing Hussein was an honorable deed. That was done long ago.

Your spin does not change any of the facts or events taking place as predicted.

Rummy heading up the war is beginning to make sense.
Let us say a true military strategist heads up the war instead. Someone like Norman Schwarzkopf. He takes the US in, gets the job done, and now we have no reason to stay, and thus, all soldiers come home.

Bottom line, it was/is beneficial for those interested in oil to stay involved long enough for an Iraqi government to begin to utilize their supply.....hmmmmm. Like they had any choice in which of their resources they would utilize for rebuilding. How many stone and rock quarry brokers hung around waiting for the big payoff?
 

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The Iraq oil business was in shambles before the invasion. Hussein was bleeding it for personal gain and not investing to improve it. now at least private Iraqi citizens can invest and work for profit. More people can share the wealth. They would have never had the opportunity if it wasn't for the invasion.
 

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Violation of the UN sanctioned oil embargo should have been reason enough to invade.
 

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Spin?,What spin?
The only thing here,is a "mission accomplished" for the bosses behind the Bush presidency.
This is why we as a nation spent untold billions and 3000 soldiers lifes. With our taxes we paid to prepare the ground for the return of big oil to Iraq.
Terrorism,you say? If terrorism is what we are fighting,we would have spent that time and money in Afganistan and Ben Laden would have been caught.
The most cynical part of this whole tragedy is that big oil is as deeply entrenched in the democratic party as it is in the republican party.The oil companies are the ultimate winners of the Iraq war.Now more than ever,they control the world's energy needs and thereby the fate of us all.
 

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I am actually tasting a little vomit. Now, IF this can help Iraq, I can deal with someone making a few bucks, thats just how the world works. The problem is I fail to see how the average Iraqi citizen would benefit. It would bring wealth to Iraq as a whole, but unless they just distribute that wealth among the entire populace (anyone guess whats thats called?), only those involved in oil would benefit. There is no industry, so what is the average Iraqi citizen supposed to do besides go on oil funded welfare? Is that what the mission is?

Things will not be like Saudi Arabia in Iraq. Really, in the end, it will end up a big oilfield with Exxon signs all over the place/permanent middle eastern military installation of unimagineable size. If the plan was to gain more control over the world oil supply, it is going well, very well...
 

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Jason please, all they need is a good Welfare program. We can make the entire country a huge group of victims. Then send in the press and start accessing blame to anyone affiliated with the oil industry and whala, redistribution of wealth. It works here.

If you want to see a model, look at Kuait.
 

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I guess all of these statements are just a confidence that they have oil in them.


This is from the book the price of loyalty.

Former US Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill disclosed that President Bush came into office planning to overthrow Saddam Hussein. What bothers the White House the most is one particular National Security Council document shown in the 60 Minutes interview, clearly drafted in the early weeks of the new administration, which showed plans for the post-invasion dispersal of Iraq's oil assets among the world's great powers, starting with the major oil companies.

Vice president Cheney
Press release put out by the public interest group Judicial Watch on July 17, 2003. This organization, along with the Sierra Club, had argued that both the membership of the Energy Task Force chaired by Vice-President Cheney and the proceedings of its meetings should be made public and had sought the information under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) since April 19, 2001. The Vice President had vigorously opposed this opening up of its activities and so a lawsuit was filed. On March 5, 2002 the US District Judge ordered the government to produce the documents, which was finally done by the Commerce Department just recently.
The Judicial Watch press release states that these released documents "contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts." The documents, which are dated March 2001, are available on the Internet at: www.JudicialWatch.org."

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: “If you [Source: worry about just] the cost, the money, Iraq is a very different situation from Afghanistan…Iraq has oil. They have financial resources.” [Source: Fortune Magazine, Fall 2002]

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz: “There’s a lot of money to pay for this that doesn’t have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people…and on a rough recollection, the oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years…We’re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.” [Source: House Committee on Appropriations Hearing on a Supplemental War Regulation, 3/27/03]

Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage: “This is not Afghanistan…When we approach the question of Iraq, we realize here is a country which has a resource. And it’s obvious, it’s oil. And it can bring in and does bring in a certain amount of revenue each year…$10, $15, even $18 billion…this is not a broke country.” [Source: House Committee on Appropriations Hearing on a Supplemental War Regulation, 3/27/03]

Press Secretary Ari Fleischer: “Well, the reconstruction costs remain a very -- an issue for the future. And Iraq, unlike Afghanistan, is a rather wealthy country. Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction.” [Source: White House Press Briefing, 2/18/03]

State Department Official Alan Larson: “On the resource side, Iraq itself will rightly shoulder much of the responsibilities. Among the sources of revenue available are $1.7 billion in invested Iraqi assets, the found assets in Iraq…and unallocated oil-for-food money that will be deposited in the development fund.” [Source: Senate Foreign Relations Committee Hearing on Iraq Stabilization, 06/04/03]
 

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It is just amazing how Liberals can stitch together threads and read minds to come up with some very nasty ANTI AMERICAN conclusions. They love to hit big oil, pharma, et al. If we just nuked Afganistan and eliminated all life from there on 9/12/2002 would it all be better folks? Get a grip on reality! The world is much more complicated then the snooty domestic Libs and the Europeans think. Conservatives generally don't agree on all things, but they are a pleasure to debate because there are facts and logic involved. Liberals are also fun to debate but there are lots of hyped up out of context snippits, and mind reading involved, and a general lack of logic but plenty of emotion and victimhood to fuel things. I am not surprized at the number of articulate Liberals on this forum as the left and right coasts and the Great Lakes, (where most of the water generally is are BLUE as all get out). I am surprized that some ace mechanics are as Liberal as they sound here, (one wonders how they trouble shoot problems, as there isn't any 'feelings' involved, and logic must be employed), go wonder!! Great read here folks, I know I am poking at some here but it is all in fun. Respectfully JR
 

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Tell me again how allowing free enterprise to reign in Iraq is theft? Can you show me how Bush is "a greed driven war monger"? How does he profit? You all don't believe that an oil market driven by free enterprise is better for the Iraqi people than a state run sham? Oh wait, I forgot, these heathens aren't worthy of their own country's revenues . . .

Oh, and I am going to repeat what I have often said. If those of you believe this country is as full of "really bad people doing really bad stuff" as you appear to believe, you should absolutely keep screaming as you relocate in a more honest society, that believes state run oil business with profits fed to a dictator and his family is a better option . . . :rolleyes: once again! If it wasn't so sad, I'd be cracking up. It is simply bizarre what some of you believe.

BTW, treebuddy, the carp listed above notes how Iraq will be able to assist financially in its own rebuild effort. The first paragraph, if you study up on it, leads you to understand that indeed Bush believed that Iraq was a threat even before 9/11. I am pretty sure CJY gave me the approval to spin as I wish . . . :love:
 

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QC,

Please finish the rest of my statement. I added it below for you.

"if this does indeed happen"

My point, the majority of Americans, at least presently, are questioning the direction republicans have taken our country. Let big oil companies move in and reap huge profits in Iraq and try to stop the conclusions people will make of it. He has already lost the belief and trust of most.

"you should absolutely keep screaming as you relocate in a more honest society"

Why QC? You could just as easily relocate to a less free society. One where people such as myself don't have a right to question it's government. Then, you would not have to worry about it. I find it unbelievable you give me the option of:

1. stop complaining or

2. leave


Well, I welcome you to the same option. Does not hardly seem right to have another citizen attempt to limit your right to think and decide for yourself...does it?

Where do you believe you were given the right to limit any American freedoms? Who are you to tell someone else to be quiet or leave the country? I too would be cracking up If it wasn't so sad. It is simply bizarre what some of you believe.
 

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Actually the case could be made that the American citizenry are upset that we are not conservative enough. Lets look at referendums in the last election regarding same sex marriage. EVERYWHERE IT WAS ON THE BALLOT IT LOST. If you really want to feel the pulse of America look at the results of referrendums, not the self serving meanings ascribed by those with political aims.

How about the referrendum in Michigan eliminating afirmative action in state government. A big liberal state, who voted conservative on a referendum. I have to agree that the American people are unhappy with the republican direction. IT WAS TOO LIBERAL.
 

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I have to agree that the American people are unhappy with the republican direction. IT WAS TOO LIBERAL.

LOL.... you'll have a hard time selling that one Pointer. :p

Fortunately for us, the Democrats are setting themselves up for the fall come 2008. Remember when they said they weren't planning to raise taxes? Guess what the first thing they did when they got the power.

One of the first key procedural votes in the Democrat-controlled House last week established legislative rules that Republicans say will make it easier to raise taxes by a simple majority vote.
The straight party-line vote received little attention Thursday as Rep. Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, was elected speaker of the House. But Republican leaders and conservative tax-cut advocates said it opened up a huge loophole in a Republican-imposed rule drawn from the Republicans' 1994 Contract with America, which requires a supermajority, or three-fifths vote, to raise taxes.
Democrats unanimously voted down a motion offered by Minority Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio that would have prevented them from waiving the rule, a move that tax-cutters said signaled the Democrats' intention to raise taxes between now and the 2008 elections.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070106-115506-5182r.htm

Then there was the promise to work a 5 day week, that lasted what?... 4 days? Of course a football game is more important than this counties business. :p

Democrats ran to expand the work week in the House to 5 days.

But guess how long that lasted?

Not even one week!

"Culture Shock on Capitol Hill: House to Work 5 Days a Week" front-paged the WASHINGTON POST in December.

Majority leader Steny Hoyer said members of the House will be expected in the Capitol for votes each week by 6:30 p.m. Monday and will finish their business about 2 p.m. Friday.

Explained the POST: "Forget the minimum wage. Or outsourcing jobs overseas. The labor issue most on the minds of members of Congress yesterday was their own: They will have to work five days a week starting in January."

But on the morning after the night before, on the first full week of the new congress, Hoyer has pulled back from his vow!

A Hoyer press release obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT boldly declares: "Monday, January 8, 2007: The House is not in session."

Hill sources claim The House is taking Monday 'off' this week, because of the championship football game between Ohio State and the University of Florida.


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm
 

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CJY,

You miss my point. I am not suggesting that you shut up or leave. I don't understand how you can live in a place that you believe is run by "really bad people doing really bad stuff". It honestly blows my mind that you could get up every day believing that our Presdient is allowing American corporations to steal Iraqi oil to line his own pocket. I would hate to live in a place like that. It reminds me of Hussein's Iraq, but you believe it of today's America :confused:

I don't believe in limiting anything that you say, I simply do not understand what you say. BTW, you can answer my first few questions above and clear it up for me . . .
 

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At the beginning of the war, The President of the United States of America stated in a speech that the Iraqis can finance their rebuilding with their oil assets. The oil belongs to the people of Iraq. This is not news. This is not some behind the doors secret that has just been revealed. He announced that on national TV and both parties in both houses of Congress were in agreement.
Why are people trying to make something evil out of something is good.
If the president said the sky is blue, the idiots would disagree with him just because they hate him and he is right.
You liberals don't want us buying foreign oil and you don't want us drilling our own. What, then, do we do?
 
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