How to topple the USA without firing a shot

[Kalifornyakid]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16961096/]Scarey

Seems clear to me!
The U.N. report on Global Warming is obviously the result of a political agenda. Anybody have any LEGITIMATE sources for independant studies that DIDN'T come from the U.N.?

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

This is iboats. Your question sounds more like you should be asking Scientific American or something. You'll find plenty here who have an opinion, but none with any particular expertise that I'm aware of. Sounds like you're not convinced and nobody here is likely to change your mind no matter what links are posted. I'm sure you can Google as well as any of the rest of us. My suggestion would be to Wikipedia "Global Warming". They are not a UN entity to the best of my knowledge. But hey, I ain't no expert.

 

[treedancer]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Come on Willy you can recognize a troll when you see one, seems that one of the regulars have Got themselves another identity.8)

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Come on Willy you can recognize a troll when you see one, seems that one of the regulars have Got themselves another identity.8)

Hey Tree, Li'l mind readin' again? Bro Haut accused me of being Crunch's alter ego. But Crunch can spell! Willy is a pretty smart guy, and gives the benifit of the doubt and actually gives a straight down the center reply, as he frequently does when he's not wearin' his partisn hat. This country is in fact very vulnerable to the enemies within, (not just the UN). JR

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

What I'm worried about is overthrow by bankruptcy. One of these days, China is going to call in their markers. USA foreclosed. Yikes! How's your Mandarin (and I ain't talking oranges)?

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

What I'm worried about is overthrow by bankruptcy. One of these days, China is going to call in their markers. USA foreclosed. Yikes! How's your Mandarin (and I ain't talking oranges)?

I wouldn't be so worried about that Willy. We can and do control our currency, and we could take counter measures, (at great cost to us but far far more cost to them). They are exchanging quality hard goods, (I have a lot in my business with American company's Chinese made products, that would have cost me far more if made here). It is actually a stabilizing factor that they have so much of our NON CALLABLE treasury debt. It keeps our inflation low, in fact it is deflationary. The machine tools the Clintons administration allowed them to buy, and the rockets Bernie Schwartz, (Loral Chairman and largest donar to Clinton Gore) solved the vibration problem, the miniture MIRV Nuke warhead stolen from us, and the hardened chips are far more of a problem. Respectfully JR

 

[roscoe]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

My suggestion would be to Wikipedia "Global Warming". They are not a UN entity to the best of my knowledge. But hey, I ain't no expert.

Wikipedia is not a source, it is very much a forum, like this one.
It appears like a news/fact source, but anyone can create an account and add articles and links. It is also supported by donations, so it may have a vested interest in what remains on the site, depending on who makes a big donation.

Also, " This Web site is a wiki, which means that anyone with access to an Internet-connected computer can edit, correct, or improve information throughout the encyclopedia, simply by clicking the edit this page link".

Wiki - a website that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit and change available content, typically without the need for registration

 

[technostingray]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Hey Tree, Li'l mind readin' again? Bro Haut accused me of being Crunch's alter ego... . JR

Being an alter ego and creating a seperate identity are decidedly different. I think it is pretty well known that the occasional point is punched up by establishing new identity. Kaliforny kid could be from upper Sandusky for all we know. Or even a QC disciple.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Elect a democrat? Oh this is about global warming..what I've heard is that this was the conclusion of the political aspect on global warming, and if the scientific portion differs, it will be amended to reflect that of the political findings. A link would do no good..well you know why.....

 

[Kalifornyakid]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Heh!
I'm certainly not an alter-ego, nor am I a seperate identity for anyone who's currently posting here at dockside.
What I wanted people to think about is why all (or most?) of the doom and gloom global warming reports are comming from the U.N.
Reducing the U.S. to a third world economy is inevitable if we let the U.N. hogtie us. Reading that report, it certainly seems like they are looking right at us when they talk about affecting major changes, fines for non-compliance with emmissions reducing methods, etc. blah blah blah.
I was just wondering if the dems have based their whole Global Warming scare on the U.N. report or if there were other studies done.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

The left refuses to listen to anything other then "The end is near" "We are doomed" "It's all Bush's fault" " America is terrible" "The UN is right no matter what" Same crap, different day. They have no answers, only bashing..but the people of this country have fallen victim to this it would seem..hopefully the people will see the facts, and politicians, for what they are before the elections in 08.....

 

[Kalifornyakid]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

You know, sometimes I wonder about that, Plainsman. Call me cynical, but I think the dems just want to win at all costs. I don't think they really believe the bs, but if it gets them a vote, (or takes a vote away from a republican) it's all good. Tear down Bush at any cost, create all sorts of rumors about republican coruption(haliburton, oil war, etc. ) and on and on. It seems like every year they get bolder and farther out. Soon they'll be telling us the sun rises in the west, and some people will believe them!

 

[Plainsman]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Come on Willy you can recognize a troll when you see one, seems that one of the regulars have Got themselves another identity.8)

Now how would you know about stating a troll tree? 8)8)

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16961096/]Scarey

Seems clear to me!
The U.N. report on Global Warming is obviously the result of a political agenda. Anybody have any LEGITIMATE sources for independant studies that DIDN'T come from the U.N.?

Uhh and i have a 100,000 mile car kid that was only driven highway miles, it was one of the orignal experimental carburator models. It can be your's along with the carb for only 15,000.00...........( by the way the car gets 100 mpg).............

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

My perception is that the UN stance is based on overwhelming scientific evidence collected by a wide variety of credible sources with little to no poltical influence, while the opposition's stance is based mostly on political and economic motivations which desparately discredit inconvenient findings and their finders and routinely sweep Science under the rug.

So let me put the shoe on the other foot for you. Show me credible undisputable science disproving global warming that is demostrably devoid of political or economic influence.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Willy, what exact sources are your referring to? I have yet to see one that wasn't funded by someone. Universities, those bastians of rational left wing thought, clearly have a bias. Living just up the road from Madison, I assure you that peoples personal liberties are the last thing they are concerned with. Starting there, you can almost arrive at a determination without even doing the research. Then toss in the one world order types at the UN. George Soro's spending his millions to create a communist utopia?

I find it interesting how some Americans feel comfortable ceeding our soverignty to other countries. It is not a wise or thoughtful position.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Bro Haut accused me of being Crunch's alter ego.

No, I accused you of being Boom's alter ego......

 

[treedancer]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Quote WillyBWright

while the opposition's stance is based mostly on political and economic motivations which desparately discredit inconvenient findings and their finders and routinely sweep Science under the rug.

Hate to butt in Willy but if I can I might add this to your list, there selfishness in denying yours as well as mine, and yes even there own children’s, children for the foreseeable future, a quality of life that we enjoy. All this for a political ideology based on greed, me first and the hell with the rest of the world.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

me first and the hell with the rest of the world.
That is the Republican Mantra paraphrased.....

 

[POINTER94]

Re: How to topple the USA without firing a shot

Assuming all that some believe about GW is true, what should we do?

What assurances do we have of complicity by the rest of the world. Who will monitor? The UN? If you think the UN (oil for food with a mass murderer) can do anything, here's your sign. And even if we get a 100% buy-in do you really think that Johnny sixpack riding his bike to the store is going to change the situation? Do you think putting solar panels on the roof of every house will change anything? If you want to look at a reasonable response you have to look at population controls. Fixed number of resources divided by an unlimited number of consumers. Nothing suggested or referenced will amount to a hill of beans. And you would have to be a crack addict to believe that China, Russia, even Mexico is going to comply with any conditions of the Koyoto accord that inconveniences them even slightly. Toss in India, Pakistan, and SE Asia and you are asking for a monumental change for some with zero benefits other than the superficial.

If this is to change, technology will drive it. Some renewable, clean, and portable source of energy will have to be uncovered. An extra 5 mpg on an SUV in Red Wing MN means nothing. Zip Zero Nada. Right now that technology doesn't exist. So all suggestions as to the surrendering of personal rights in a show of support won't amount to anything. It would be as if we should all buy into the concept that the sun isn't going to rise tommorrow and we should live our lives as if it were true. Don't you feel better doing your part in this charade?

Creativity and innovation cannot be driven by political forces. Just take a look at the VA hospitals.

With all this said, I don't buy it for a minute.