How's the price

[tranceworld]

I still have to get a survey done, but I think I may have found my first boat.

2003 Crownline 192br. 43 hours. Excellent shape, looks to be almost new. Bimini top, with bow and cockpit covers. Extended swim platform. 4.3 merc, 190hp. heritage custom bunk trailer with spare. 16999.

Priced seemed a little high, but after speaking with a couple other boat owners they seem to think it not far off if the survey is good.

What do you all think on the price?

 

[64osby]

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Don't know about the price, but man, 43 hours on a 10 year old boat.

I hope they did a nice job keeping it covered and dry. That would be like a new boat. The drive train should be.

Your location will play a big part on price, so let us know where you're at?

:welcome:to iboats.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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I still have to get a survey done, but I think I may have found my first boat.

2003 Crownline 192br. 43 hours. Excellent shape, looks to be almost new. Bimini top, with bow and cockpit covers. Extended swim platform. 4.3 merc, 190hp. heritage custom bunk trailer with spare. 16999.

Priced seemed a little high, but after speaking with a couple other boat owners they seem to think it not far off if the survey is good.

What do you all think on the price?

17k for a 10 yro BR ? ..

I dunno about that...

YD.

 

[Husker-Q]

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I vote for too high. I got basically the same situation last year (2002 Sea Ray 182 BR, same engine, mint condition) with trailer and 78 engine hours for $9500.

 

[tranceworld]

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Don't know about the price, but man, 43 hours on a 10 year old boat.

I hope they did a nice job keeping it covered and dry. That would be like a new boat. The drive train should be.

Your location will play a big part on price, so let us know where you're at?

:welcome:to iboats.

The boat is located in west Michigan. It is located at a dealer. The sales guy says they thoroughly inspect all boats before trade is allowed. Also the boat comes with a 30 warranty, on engine, and guarantee that everything works. Warranty does not start until pickup, which they allow until the end of may, at no charge. It really does seem to be brand new, you'd never be able to tell the fabric was ten years old.

 

[MarkSee]

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..... 43 hours......4.3 merc, 190hp....It is located at a dealer.....the boat comes with a 30 warranty, on engine, and guarantee that everything works........It really does seem to be brand new, you'd never be able to tell the fabric was ten years old.

1-43 hours...wonder why. Then again unless you put it on a scanner, you don't know for sure as it could have been disconnected or the gauge replaced. Should have that verified. Even then, was it being service annually?

2-the 220 hp mpi 4.3 engine would have been a better engine for that boat, not the 190 hp

3-if it's at a dealer, ask them if they own the boat themselves or is it "on consignment" where they need to get an offer approved by the actual owner. If consignment, then you know for sure there's a (could be a few thousand dollar) markup for the dealer so you might be able to do better on the price. Also ask if they have service records available.

4-not sure what a "30 warranty" means but I figuring you mean a 30 day warranty?

5-it appears then the boat has been stored in doors for its life. That's good but the survey is what will really tell on the high dollar stuff.

Mark

 

[tranceworld]

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1-43 hours...wonder why. Then again unless you put it on a scanner, you don't know for sure as it could have been disconnected or the gauge replaced. Should have that verified. Even then, was it being service annually?

2-the 210 hp mpi 4.3 engine would have been a better engine for that boat, not the 190 hp

3-if it's at a dealer, ask them if they own the boat themselves or is it "on consignment" where they need to get an offer approved by the actual owner. If consignment, then you know for sure there's a (could be a few thousand dollar) markup for the dealer so you might be able to do better on the price. Also ask if they have service records available.

4-not sure what a "30 warranty" means but I figuring you mean a 30 day warranty?

5-it appears then the boat has been stored in doors for its life. That's good but the survey is what will really tell on the high dollar stuff.
Mark

1. I will find out if any service records are available.
2. This I'm aware of, but the br is slim pickings right now in that price range and the miss'es likes. Remember happy wife happy life.
3. I will have this clarified. They made it seem that it was a trade in, but I will clarify
4. Yes 30 day warranty, sorry for the typo.
5. Which is why the survey is a must for me.

 

[spoilsofwar]

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I think the price is about $5k-7k too high, without even looking at it. The list price on the boat new was a bit over $20k. Not a snowball's chance I'd be paying 85% of retail on a 10 year old boat.

FWIW, the book value of that boat is ~$10k now.

 

[jimbo_jwc]

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Re: Funny "TLC needed" boat ads on Craigslist.
I am offering a one owner 19.6ft Thompson Sea Rage 196 w/cuddy cabin ,4cyl. mercruiser like new condision w/trailer that has between 25 or 30 hrs. on it. This I know because I was with my father when he bought it new in 1987 from Collins marine . He only took it out on lake erie 5 to 6 times.Ialways wanted to borrow it but he never would let me and now I own it, go figure . This is really a sweet boat !I am asking 6100.00 for it. He payed almost 14000.00 without tax . If you are looking for this type of boat and dont want to spend 20,000.00 this could be your boat!!! I might consider trades depending on what it is.It also has a cover for it and some other equipment.You can call me or email.You wont be disapointed!!!


I offered $5,000 and left money down and got . He was so tired of pitching his sale to tire kickers and lookers . Its was the boat I'ved always wanted :joyous: PS Lost wife of over 32y over deal havent regreated other than boat savings didn;t cover loss of half net worth .

This is how the boat I bought was listed . It had a few Issues from setting, AntisiphonValve , rebuild Carb ,Fuel Pump , Impeller , Regreasing universals. But His son couldnt get it running so he lowered price . It looked new even in engine compartment . Yours has dealer backing for small problems and I can expect to change the bellows but have ran two summers with no problems since inital start up .

 

[rivermouse]

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I dont know much about boat prices but I wonder just HOW you can be sure there are only 43 hours on it. It it because there is a meter they absolutely cant alter? With cars you can verify true mileage with anal inspection records but what about boats.?.Please explain just how you are 100% sure there are only 43 hours on it.

 

[tranceworld]

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I dont know much about boat prices but I wonder just HOW you can be sure there are only 43 hours on it. It it because there is a meter they absolutely cant alter? With cars you can verify true mileage with anal inspection records but what about boats.?.Please explain just how you are 100% sure there are only 43 hours on it.

I don't recall ever stating I was 100% certain it had only 43 hours. I was stating what I was told, and by the looks of the boat looking as close to new as a used boat can be. Pending a reduction in price, the sale could depend on what the surveyor says.

 

[tazrig]

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I don't recall ever stating I was 100% certain it had only 43 hours. I was stating what I was told, and by the looks of the boat looking as close to new as a used boat can be. Pending a reduction in price, the sale could depend on what the surveyor says.

43 hours could be a bad thing (engine related) if they used it for a season or 2 and then it sat for the remaining time. They may have had to replace the hours gauge too. Bottom line, you're having it surveyed and assuming the persons any good they will tell you what you need to know about the boat. Price sounds way high on a 10 year old boat. (see NADA value in link below) I priced it out with no options.

2003 Crownline Boats 192 BR Standard Equipment, Boat Value, Boat Price & Craft Specs | NADAguides

 

[tranceworld]

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43 hours could be a bad thing (engine related) if they used it for a season or 2 and then it sat for the remaining time. They may have had to replace the hours gauge too. Bottom line, you're having it surveyed and assuming the persons any good they will tell you what you need to know about the boat. Price sounds way high on a 10 year old boat. (see NADA value in link below) I priced it out with no options.

2003 Crownline Boats 192 BR Standard Equipment, Boat Value, Boat Price & Craft Specs | NADAguides

Thank you for the link. Perhaps my belief is not true, but I thought the nada price is only on the boat? Also assuming the survey checks, and it does have low hours, how does that compute into the nada price? Regardless of the survey I plan to offer substantial less than sticker price. It's not my first rodeo with salesmen, and I have never paid sticker for any vehicle. Thanks for the input and I'm still open for more

 

[tazrig]

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Thank you for the link. Perhaps my belief is not true, but I thought the nada price is only on the boat? Also assuming the survey checks, and it does have low hours, how does that compute into the nada price? Regardless of the survey I plan to offer substantial less than sticker price. It's not my first rodeo with salesmen, and I have never paid sticker for any vehicle. Thanks for the input and I'm still open for more

You're correct the NADA is for only the boat. I forgot to factor in for the trailer. Brand new you could probably get one for $3-4k so you'll need to factor that in as well. It would be worth a lot less by now if it has been used in salt water. Boats like and need to be used regularly. When they just sit things rust, freeze up, seals dry out etc. If it actually has only 43 hours on it, unless the surveyor gives you an A+ score on the mechanicals I would use that as a buying point with the dealer to reduce the price. Hours don't effect the NADA value on boats like mileage does on cars. That being said, if the average Mercruiser will last 1000 to 2000 hours you wouldn't want to buy a boat with 1800 hours on the motor and expect it to last for years to come. 30-60 hours a year is probably a rough average for this size boat depending on what climate you live in. Obviously Florida boaters get a lot more hours out of their season then we do in New England. Thats why everybody is questioning the 43 hours. The motor would probably be a better deal if it had 150 total hours on it and was used only 15 hours a year but had regular oil changes, tune ups and maintenance rather than being used for one year at 43 hours and then stored for 9 years unused. Either way you are doing the smart thing by having it surveyed. You will find out soon enough if its worth pursuing. Worst case you move on to another boat. There are lots of them out there. Good luck whatever you find out and keep us posted!!

 

[tranceworld]

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You're correct the NADA is for only the boat. I forgot to factor in for the trailer. Brand new you could probably get one for $3-4k so you'll need to factor that in as well. It would be worth a lot less by now if it has been used in salt water. Boats like and need to be used regularly. When they just sit things rust, freeze up, seals dry out etc. If it actually has only 43 hours on it, unless the surveyor gives you an A+ score on the mechanicals I would use that as a buying point with the dealer to reduce the price. Hours don't effect the NADA value on boats like mileage does on cars. That being said, if the average Mercruiser will last 1000 to 2000 hours you wouldn't want to buy a boat with 1800 hours on the motor and expect it to last for years to come. 30-60 hours a year is probably a rough average for this size boat depending on what climate you live in. Obviously Florida boaters get a lot more hours out of their season then we do in New England. Thats why everybody is questioning the 43 hours. The motor would probably be a better deal if it had 150 total hours on it and was used only 15 hours a year but had regular oil changes, tune ups and maintenance rather than being used for one year at 43 hours and then stored for 9 years unused. Either way you are doing the smart thing by having it surveyed. You will find out soon enough if its worth pursuing. Worst case you move on to another boat. There are lots of them out there. Good luck whatever you find out and keep us posted!!

Thank you tazrig for that information. I didn't know about the hours deal, and assumed it would translate in one form or another. I'm patiently waiting to hear back from the surveyor to possibly start a wonderful boating hobby.

 

[jestor68]

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No; the NADA average retail does not include the trailer. If you were to price the trailer, I would guess one like it would cost a couple thousand.

If you check the fine print on NADA pricing, you will notice that boats in above average condition can be worth "considerably higher" value. In truth, the local market(supply and demand)determines a value; not any book.

How do you know the boat is "ten years old"; in terms of use? It is not uncommon for a boat to be sold "new" that is two or more years old. It's just been sitting in the show room because most folks didn't want to pay $34K for a boat.

My boat has sat unused for as long as five years, with no ill effects, because it was properly prepared for storage.

Hopefully, there is some room for negotiation on the price, but in the end, if the boat is actually in outstanding condition, someone is going to buy it for close to the asking price; especially after looking at the price of a 2013 Regal model 1900.

 

[tpenfield]

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My 2 cents . . .

the boat may be fine, but as the others have mentioned the key points that 'we' know of are:

the hours are incredulously low. There should actually be 10 X the number of hours (400 - 500) on a 10 year old boat. That could mean a number of things, So, your surveyor should be able to do the engine analysis, and find out more info.

Some possibilities are: Engine was replaced, hour meter was replaced, everything is original and used very little. If used very little, then you don't know if the boat sat for extended periods of time without use. Keep in mind that boats tend to get good use during their first few years of ownership, then the wild enthusiasm wears off.

the price is quite high. NADA value is about $10K (NADA generally runs high versus the market up until about 12 years of age, then runs low versus the market for boats over 14 years). The notes section of the NADA price guide does not mention the trailer . . . So, on a used boat, figure another $1K for a trailer , if it were included.

The value (according to NADA) is stated at $10,250 . . if the boat is a cream puff, then maybe 20% more = $12,000, then add the trailer, $13,000.

As I tell many folks looking at boats, your challenge is to get to understand the boat's history and condition as much as possible. The more you know, the better decision you will make, both in terms of "buy/pass" and the purchase price.

 

[jkust]

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I think I can add to the conversation here as I have some things in common. Firstly as I am in MN, it is not uncommon to put 10 hours a year on the engine and easily 100 on the boat just floating around. My 2003 Chaparral has almost exactly 10 hours a year on the meter and we use the heck out of it yet it looks like it just got trailered from the factory as it just doesn't show any use. Of course our warm boating season for pure recreational boating is mid June at the earliest until the end of August/early September. After that the cool nights cool the up north lakes down very quickly and we stop. Your 43 hours in 9 or 10 seasons is either alarmingly low denoting something isn't right or as isn't uncommon here where people buy a boat and life gets in the way and it just sits winterized in the garage. Your survey will be valuable in that event as bellows can dry out and need replacement, etc. Now as to the 4.3 liter carb versus MPI...a couple things there. I see more small Crownlines that had the expensive MPI upgrade versus I'd say any other brand around me. Keep in mind that MPI only just came available for the 2002 engine model year however. So the person cheaped out on the engine but the good news is the 4.3 liter carb is robust. Your 192 weighs what my 183 does and the 4.3 carb will get you 50mph and mid 40s loaded up with a cheap 21" prop. Not a speed demon but at least you have a Crownline which is one of the better early 2000's small bowriders. I can also tell you that the brand new Shorelandr roller trailer for that boat is just under 4k brand new and it will come in black. At the end of the day, I would like to have a 5 or so year newer boat with 150 hours of light use on it for that same price. The asking price even in the peak season (especially in downtrodden, worst economy in the country Michigan) seems high even by Minnesota standards. I think you picked a great boat but similar to how I wouldn't pay that much more for a boat with a brand new replaced crate engine as you see often, nor would I pay that much of a premium for even a perfect shape, legit 43 hour, 2003. BTW it it wasn't mentioned above, an MPI engine can have it's true hours read at the dealer broken down by time at each RPM even, while the Carb version has no such capability.

 

[Howard Sterndrive]

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I have seen quite a few old cottage boats with very low hours. There are a couple of nice newer boats in my neighbourhood that go out once or twice a year. ... seniors...

I think the price is high. Remember, it needs the driveshaft bellows and other soft parts changed before it hits the water. Ask about that.
The carb might need a rebuild too. Stuff like that is time sensitive, not hours sensitive. Does it have 10 year old belts? spark plug wires?

 

[tranceworld]

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I have seen quite a few old cottage boats with very low hours. There are a couple of nice newer boats in my neighbourhood that go out once or twice a year. ... seniors...

I think the price is high. Remember, it needs the driveshaft bellows and other soft parts changed before it hits the water. Ask about that.
The carb might need a rebuild too. Stuff like that is time sensitive, not hours sensitive. Does it have 10 year old belts? spark plug wires?

I will ensure I empathize my concern in those areas to the surveyor.

West michigan, assuming that is where the boat is from, is not vastly different to MN. Really doesn't get warm until June, and the season wrapping up the first week in September. Sure it can be longer or shorter, but that is the general boating season for the water and air temps.

I would assume to some degree that a surveyor would be able to tell if the boat only has 43 hours of use, unless the prior owner rebuilt the entire boat. Some area of a car can't hide hours of use. If a car is ten years old, and has 20k miles, and you notice a lot of wear on the steering wheel, shift knob, accelerator and break, and wear in the fabric it would be safe to ASSUME that the car had more than 20k miles. While a survey is no guarantee, it would seem that a seasoned surveyor would be able to tell that something is not adding up, at least that is what I believe.