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Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "stroker". I realize a 383 small block is a stroker but I have never heard this term before and I wonder what this term refers to.

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The cubic Inch Displacment (CID) of an engine comes from the diameter of the bore and the stroke of a piston.

The 383 stroker comes from useing the bore of a 350 CID and the Stroke of a 400 CID.

So useing the 350 block and pistons and the crankshaft and conecting rods of a 400CID lands you with 383 CID.

But all you've done is increase the stroke of a 350 CID giving it a far higher compression ratio.

The term "stroker" Just means that that you've increased the stroke of a smaller motor to get more cubic inches of displacement.

And there you have the meaning of the slang term "Stroker".:D
 

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Hey oops you could get a SLP Performance Parts ZL402 Aluminum LS2 I think that is considered to be a bbc it is a 402 and it is all aluminum so you would have the light weight and the large displacement engine and bubba has a thing there about custom gears that would be something to look into. or you could get GM Performance Parts Anniversary Edition All-Aluminum ZL1 427 C.I.D. Crate Engines
 

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drool drool....:)
 

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hey oops 51 more post till your next promotion :D
 

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Hey oops is there anything new on the dash I mean have you all worked out the programing bugs and decided on size of display? oh just a little more info on the 427.
These GM Performance Parts Anniversary Edition all-aluminum ZL1 427 c.i.d. crate engines start with the ZL1 aluminum block, using the tooling that helped to create this legend in 1969. The block offers a full-strength structure, thick deck surfaces, and 4-bolt mains. Building on that foundation, the short block contains a forged steel crank, forged steel rods, and forged aluminum pistons for a 10.1:1 final compression ratio. Aluminum oval port heads and matching high-flow aluminum oval port intakes are paired with an 870 cfm carburetor. The camshaft is a hydraulic roller with a valve lift of .510 in. on the intake and .540 in. on the exhaust. They even added 1.7:1 aluminum roller rockers. Like the original ZL1, the Anniversary 427s come grossly underrated at 430 hp.
 

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Photoshopping session was going good until I hit a snag that I didn't like, so I'm working on fixing the problem. In the mean time, enjoy this picture I did of Wards Boat. ;)
 

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lmao thats great red:D
 

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i hear for oop's next poject he is going to take a Dodge Neon and cut it down the middle both ways add 2' to the width, 6' to the length, make it a 4x4, drop in a 5.9 cummins and make it his new tow vehicle :eek:
 

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There's a 400 hp Z06 corvette engine on ebay. Wonder how tough that would be to marinize? Bullet proof 350 would be the way to go, they got a 6 bolt main.
 

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oops, theres a brand new 350 marine engine oin craigsl ist in Denver colorado. (I think the motor is in Cheyenne Wyoming).. I saw it this weekend. I beleive he wants $1400US.

just FYI

when's that new garage coming.. I am dying to see this thing completed
 

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The problem with aluminum blocks is that you should really use zincs inside the engine, even in fresh water. Of course, you could install a closed cooling system, but that's more weight and expense.

Oops, I think you need to consider what's more important to you.. whether you want a very high top speed or the ability to pull up skiiers and tow items. I think this boat is going to be pretty heavy too, so you'll want some serious boost for a good hole shot.

At the same HP rating, the BBC and stroker do not produce the same *output*. There's a big difference on their power bands, the graph of torque vs. time for each engine. Specifically the BBC will produce more torque near the low end of the power band and make its max HP at a lower RPM (HP = ((Torque * RPM) / 5252). The stroker can make the same HP, and as you've mentioned it's lighter, but it needs higher RPMs (by a lot) to make its full HP and you won't feel nearly as much seat of the pants power as the BBC at low RPMS, IE for hole shot or pulling things.

The racers use strokers because of how they drive their boats. They don't care about hole shot much, they just want light weight and good HP at high RPMs... which means a stroker is a good choice for them, especially since they don't mind rebuilding the engines often. High RPMs are killers for almost any engine parts... it's not that they're cheap/bad parts, it's that you're asking a lot from them. Generally, a lower RPM engine will last longer without a rebuild. Of course, since boats don't have transmissions, you'll probably have a lower top speed with a lower RPM engine than the high RPM boat, even if you have the same "HP" for the engine.

Keep in mind that the top speed of the racing boats is also dependent on the prop.. their props are for top speed and nothing else. So you won't get the same top speed as a race boat even if you have an identical engine unless you use the same prop, in which case you will have a garbage hole shot. Even then you have a different hull than most race boats, so you won't have their speed, period. While you have the race prop on, you'll hate driving the boat at any other speed than fast.

If you use a BBC engine, then you have a lot of torque available at the low end. You'll get a really nice hole shot as compared to the stroker, and you'll have a very responsive throttle because of the amount of water you can push quickly. You could put a high pitch (racing) prop on it and get a good amount of speed (and yet have a pretty good hole shot), or you could put a low pitch prop on and be able to jerk 4-5 skiiers out of the water at once :) But, even with your BIG engine, you won't be as fast as some of the other boats, especially smaller or lighter ones. You won't match a race boat's top speed. You'll have the larger weight of the 454 over the 383.

One more thing... a stroker is usually "maxed" for non bolt on modifications, IE you can't do a lot more to it if you want more power, short of supercharging it or something similar, which won't buy you as much as you think for a boat. But a big block can be upgraded with performance parts and tuning just like a stroker was upgraded from an SBC. You've got somewhere to go if you want "more". You can pick from several (6-7?) generations of BBC if you want more HP too. The older ones are cheaper, the newer ones have incredible power.

So I recommend you figure out what you want to do with the boat, then that'll dictate your engine choice. It's easy to think of race engines as "the best" boat engines, but that's only true if you're racing...


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oops, theres a brand new 350 marine engine oin craigsl ist in Denver colorado. (I think the motor is in Cheyenne Wyoming).. I saw it this weekend. I beleive he wants $1400US.

just FYI

when's that new garage coming.. I am dying to see this thing completed



couldnt find it....i saw a guy selling re man short blocks for 1200.
i didi see this....its kinda cool....ive often thought of this kinda thing

http://denver.craigslist.org/boa/921015810.html
 

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and erik.....you know me....i want it all.....going fast while geting the fuel econemey of a 9.9 hp.

pulling 8 skiers and a tube at the same time, whilest racing a go fast and sipping a vodka martini, and puffing on a cuban cee-gar, while my girl is peeling me grapes :eek:

the fact that boats are all a trade off....to me.....well, its maddening.
you cant put somthing on a boat with out adding weight....you add weight and you go slower and burn more fuel.......you leave the item out....and loose the benefit!

my plan on a duel purpose....was allways to change props from fast to pull.....or from pull to troll.....

actually i ve thought of a cyl kil system that saves fuel when not needed....but ....again....a trade off
 

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Here's a suggestion then... put in a big block engine converted to run on ethanol or another green fuel (focus on fuels cheaper than gas) or else get a diesel engine and run on biodiesel... if you get the fuel cheaper than gas or make it yourself, then you won't care about fuel economy :)

Or, plan for a "kicker" motor for those times you just want to cruise along quietly and save gas :)

I hate the trade-offs too, but I learned my lesson on my current boat. I wanted small boat handing with large boat features, and it just doesn't work well for either. My solution: Two boats.

Hey! That would work for you, too... set this boat up as the party cruiser with all the features, and rebuild/extend another one to be your "go fast"!

;)

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actually i ve thought of a cyl kil system that saves fuel when not needed....but ....again....a trade off


ooohhhhh uuuugggg.. remember in the late 70's when pontiac, or buick or (what ever GM badge) came up with the V8,6,4.. have V8 power for hard accel, V6 for highway.. and V4 for putzing around town??? they would essentially shut down the spark on those cylinders.. diddnt work too well..

I guess theres a new version out.. .. shuts the injectors down and holds the exhaust valves open.. .. you still have all that extra weight that your spinning.. ..

the solution.. widen your boat:D add 2 engines side by side.. a big block.. tricked out and a puny little 4 banger... with the extra weight you wont have to add weight to make massive wakes...

for awsome holeshots.. fire both up.. for putzing around fire the 4 up..
 

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oh oh.. got it.. 3 4cyl's in a row.. :D:D:D

fire up all 3.. great power.. .. shut down the middle one for regular v8.. putting.. and for trolling for putzing.. used the middle 4 banger..

you might have to widen that boat about 18 inches or so.. but after the extension that ought to be easy...;)
 

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That's it! We'll get Ward to drop in a 16 cylinder Radial engine! If the prop/lower unit goes, he can just put the prop back on it and blow himself back to shore!

In all seriousness, if I were looking to pull skiers around, or tubes, I'd want something with enough power to pull someone out of the water without having to have them "drag" until you got enough speed up for them to pull up without sinking ;)

Y'know, you can get a crate 426 hemi for just shy of 19k :eek::D ( that's with crossflow dual 4bbls )
 

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You can get a complete (ready to drop in) Reman 454 Marine engine (not auto) for about $5000 from places like Daddyo's marine. If you have a core from somewhere, Rapido would probably rebuild it for you, or a local shop could.

I think I'm with Oops though... put in the 4.3 and drive and see how she performs... might give an idea what's needed longer term.

Erik
 

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Maxed out stroker?If you use stock heads and swap them with a set of AFR's you could gain 110 horse if you have the intake and exhaust to match.The heads choke the engine.Also high rpm engines normally act like crap at low rpms,IE big cam big carb floods and fouls plugs Hence the constant raping the throttel to clean them out.If you want to run a stroker build a 10grand bottom end set up for 6000 top.It'll last forever.Stay away from light tension race rings they use oil.Also most race engines are built loose to keep drag down.Street engines are built tight for longer life.Build the engine for the rpm you need to run,Youll be a lot happier.
 
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